Stood up by Tori Capelli.....twice

Hole seekers make the best clients. They know what this hobby is about and it isn't finding a friend/girlfriend. When a lady spots a friend/girlfriend seeker, she puts up her guard and finds ways to minimize the fall out. OR strings them a long. For a period of time.

Who is the hobbyist who has the great sig line? Is it DED? All should read his sig line. Very true not matter how special her IOP makes you think otherwise.

I don't think gents who are looking for "more" from a lady will ever believe it is IOP. I think those gents want something more than just an orifice LOL They want to believe the IOP is real. So it is real, to them. Originally Posted by EmilyEzzell

I'm kind of a hybrid. While it is true that I do fall in love with many of the providers, I have a wife I don't want to leave. (and don't want to keep half the time!!) Plus, I'm old enough to realize at least intellectually that there is no way in hell they could possibly like me in real life, if I were not paying them. I'm both at war with and in love with the concept of pay for play. Slightly insulted I have to pay, and at the same time grateful I'm able to pay, and the girls are willing to accept. In fact, I wish it were more socially acceptable so we could set up a zone in every town around the world like they have in a certain European country where the girls rent a room and sit in the window. It is like a perpetual lineup, available on demand when the need arises.

The guys who think they are actually friends with or worse than that, fall in love with providers, and think the relationship is reciprocal are idiots and fools. That is is big reason why the service issues exist with most providers keeping their distance emotionally, physically and more importantly mentally not getting into the session as you are paying her to do, resulting in a lackluster session, sometimes like a hobbyist feeling like he is fucking a blow up doll or a corpse. If she did do a passionate session, then she would fear that she might have a potential stalker on her hands thinking that just because she said you have the biggest dick she has seen and felt, you are the best fuck she ever had, and any other complimentary saying or gesture, you might think she really means it.

Are you that weak emotionally that you let an intimate ACT that you are paying for make you have strong feelings toward them? Is the hobby the biggest part or even worse, your whole life? Seek some counseling if it is. Letting your true RW feelings get in the way of a provider/hobbyist relationship is doomed from the start, especially if that is how you originally met.

Guys, providers DO NOT genuinely like you, and if you want to test that theory out, contact a provider who you think is your best friend or if you even think she is your friend, then ask her if they would like to hang out, no money involved of course, and if you go out to eat, to a dance club for drinks, or anything else that involves money, she has to pay her own way, after all, she is your friend, right? 100% of the time, she is going to laugh and hang up or you are going to get hung up on right away.

Very entertaining discussion here. In short, I am blessed that my little head doesn't over rule my real head so I naturally avoid these issues without giving much thought. My SO is so hot that my motivation is strange, not hot, so I simply don't see providers that NCNS or jilt their clients regardless of how "hot" they believe they are. I like nice people with manners in general and this also applies to providers.

The guys who think they are actually friends with or worse than that, fall in love with providers, and think the relationship is reciprocal are idiots and fools. That is is big reason why the service issues exist with most providers keeping their distance emotionally, physically and more importantly mentally not getting into the session as you are paying her to do, resulting in a lackluster session, sometimes like a hobbyist feeling like he is fucking a blow up doll or a corpse. If she did do a passionate session, then she would fear that she might have a potential stalker on her hands thinking that just because she said you have the biggest dick she has seen and felt and is the best fuck she ever had, he thinks she really means it.

Are you that weak emotionally that you let an intimate ACT that you are paying for make you have strong feelings toward them? Is the hobby the biggest part or even worse, your whole life? Seek some counseling if it is. Letting your feelings get in the way of a provider/hobbyist relationship is doomed from the start, especially if that is how you originally met.

Guys, providers DO NOT genuinely like you, and if you want to test that theory out, contact a provider who you think is your best friend or if you even think she is your friend, then ask her if they would like to hang out, no money involved of course, and if you go out to eat, to a dance club for drinks, or anything else that involves money, she has to pay her own way, after all she is your friend, right? 100% of the time, she is going to laugh and hang up or you are going to get hung up on right away. Originally Posted by davidfree986

I'll add to this that most guys trying to be your "friend"
are just looking for discounted or free pussy. I mean, "why would you charge your friend full price?" pfft! NEXT!

Not all guys are like this and there is a poster on this thread I enjoy a friendship with precisely because we don't engage in any BCD activities. Then there is another poster who I very much enjoy seeing BCD; there is great chemistry and our dates are fun but I know he would never lowball me just because we click. In turn, I would never deliver any less of myself or call him to borrow money. Respect goes a long way whether it's business or personal. It's the invaluable cost of getting ahead with anyone socially.

Some people get it and some people don't^^^^. In the hobby, it's more often the latter because a lack of social wherewithal is why they are here in the first place.

Edit: not saying everyone in the hobby lacks social wherewithal, just more here than in the real world.

"It's not called show friends, it's show business". OP, send her a pm saying that money is no object and you will pay her 5 grand an hour for an appointment. I bet you get a response pretty quick. It's all about the money. Anyone that believes different is fooling themselves. That said, there are exceptions to every rule. I try to live by the rule and I am happy when I get the exception.

I have lived my whole life around The Golden Rule. Now that I am playing in this Hobby/escort world I cannot change the way I have lived for the past six decades. No matter how hard I try to tell myself I am just renting a hole for a couple of hours (and I do LOVE that hole). I cannot act in that manner.
I am in the business of renting pussy by the hour. But I do try to get to know the body that surrounds that pussy as well. If this makes me a "fool" or an "idiot" as some suggest, so be it. I am a happy fool and a happy idiot and I enjoy the chemistry I have with many of the ladies I see. It may be rented sex and a rented friendship, but it is far more satisfying this way than just renting a hole for an hour. Just sayin!

Personally I think she is too skinny but Sweet Bunny told me she is "so sweet..." ( Bunny likes pussy too)
I love women in general and I've been in love with a provider or two.
I also have my own business and while I am very friendly with a small handful of my clients ( I've traded services and stayed at their condos in Taos/Maui, they have made me cd's and baked cookies) as long as they are my customer I keep a certain distance.
It's just not the same when money is involved, but it does not mean that the feelings of friendliness or some degree of closeness are fake.
Unless one is a robot or serial killer, we're all human beings and have feelings.

Boundaries folks!

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Not all guys are like this and there is a poster on this thread I enjoy a friendship with precisely because we don't engage in any BCD activities. Then there is another poster who I very much enjoy seeing BCD; there is great chemistry and our dates are fun but I know he would never lowball me just because we click. In turn, I would never deliver any less of myself or call him to borrow money. Respect goes a long way whether it's business or personal. It's the invaluable cost of getting ahead with anyone socially.

Some people get it and some people don't^^^^. In the hobby, it's more often the latter because a lack of social wherewithal is why they are here in the first place.

Edit: not saying everyone in the hobby lacks social wherewithal, just more here than in the real world. Originally Posted by thathottnurse

It is not all guys, but it is all guys on this site as that is what we are talking about here, because if you are a guy on this site and not a hobbyist, then why are you here? If you are not doing anything BCD with a guy you call your true friend, then you have made my point that provider/hobbyists who also see each BCD cannot be true RW friends. I think there was another thread about this very subject not long ago. There is nothing wrong with having more chemistry BCD with some guys and not so much with others, that will happen. The question is, where do you draw that hobby/RW imaginary line? If and when any part of that line gets fuzzy, you need to get out and fast.

Some guys do not have the social skills and let their wallet do the talking to get laid, nothing wrong with that on here. True respect is earned and not given, but the guys who made the conscious effort to contact you for a session and wants to spend his hard earned money on you and until he proves himself otherwise, should be treated with respect, even if you do notice or perceive he has poor social skills, as that should be part of the package he is paying you for.

I have lived my whole life around The Golden Rule. Now that I am playing in this Hobby/escort world I cannot change the way I have lived for the past six decades. No matter how hard I try to tell myself I am just renting a hole for a couple of hours (and I do LOVE that hole). I cannot act in that manner.
I am in the business of renting pussy by the hour. But I do try to get to know the body that surrounds that pussy as well. If this makes me a "fool" or an "idiot" as some suggest, so be it. I am a happy fool and a happy idiot and I enjoy the chemistry I have with many of the ladies I see. It may be rented sex and a rented friendship, but it is far more satisfying this way than just renting a hole for an hour. Just sayin! Originally Posted by Gbfsl

You are renting a hole for an hour, if you want to use that term, but if the provider is any good at what she does, she will provide more than just a hole just to get you off. There is nothing wrong with getting to know the person as far as what they like pertaining to the hobby, even being an aquaintence friend, but you have to draw a line, as does the provider, on how far you take/receive this knowledge.

Yes that must be it. She is being kept in the dark by an evil assistant. Surely the poor girl isn't capable of texting or emailing even though she really misses you and thought of you as her personal friend.

Do you guys hear yourselves???

Guys like you are the reason why excellent providers sometimes have to disappear. You think the illusion is reality. You don't know where the line is and expect more than what is offered simply because you got great service. A beauty queen gives you the time of day and you suddenly forget that it's paid for. Stop it! She is your friend for the time you are together. That's all. If she wanted to be in contact with you or missed your company in any way, shape or form then you would know about it.

I suspect you all are very difficult to maintain boundaries with or getting through a date with you is nothing less than an act of pure hooker-valor. The fact that you can't move on and stop talking about it is proof.



I just want to live in a world where Katy Perry and Missy Elliot make beautiful music together all day long



I think some guys can't handle the truth and rather than just tell them, "Hey, I would prefer it if you not contact me again", it's much more practical to ease them down gently and make yourself look like the "bad guy" (or girl, as it were). A few of these guys have attachment issues, obviously, so I can definitely see where she might have flaked on purpose. I mean, are you reading this?? Wouldn't you?? Originally Posted by thathottnurse

One of the BEST post ever!!! Thank you, THN!! It makes me feel uncomfortable and awkward when some guys forget boundaries and attempt to cross it as 'friends' just because we spend 1 - 2 hours together. Which is very nice and all that if the friendship is still within the boundaries. But when the clinginess starts, never-ending long emails, texts….I'm gonna stop responding.

I think the blame can be traced back to whoever invented the term GFE. We are no longer hookers and Johns engaged in prostitution. We are providers and hobbiest seeking the GFE in the escort business. (As my old friend Will once said, "a rose by any other name....")

So should it surprise you or any other ladies out there that men suddenly want, not just a hole, but a hole that acts like it’s happy to be a hole?

IOP forever!! It's what we pay for. Originally Posted by Gbfsl

Engaged in prostitution? Not me. The only hole I make available is my ear.

I'm not surprised by the desire you described. The key is the word "act". Ladies and gents both "act" in this world of ours.

I'm kind of a hybrid. While it is true that I do fall in love with many of the providers, I have a wife I don't want to leave. (and don't want to keep half the time!!) Plus, I'm old enough to realize at least intellectually that there is no way in hell they could possibly like me in real life, if I were not paying them. I'm both at war with and in love with the concept of pay for play. Slightly insulted I have to pay, and at the same time grateful I'm able to pay, and the girls are willing to accept. In fact, I wish it were more socially acceptable so we could set up a zone in every town around the world like they have in a certain European country where the girls rent a room and sit in the window. It is like a perpetual lineup, available on demand when the need arises. Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Great personal insight. I'm sure others relate to your post.

Mavsfan posted a great suggestion. Offer 5 grand for an hour. Another option to see if a lady is your friend is to NEVER pay her again.

Tom51, It isn't cool you over shared about Tori's life goals. Unless she has made this public information on this board.

Quite bizarre that this turned into a discussion of guys wanting more from providers than sex. If anyone thinks that is what my original post was about they seriously need to work on their reading comprehension skills.

Your plumber also doesn't like you. But if he doesn't show up without calling in advance you would be pissed. Or at least you should be pissed. And you would be doing everyone a favor to call him out about it on Angie's List or some comparable website.

That is all this is about. Letting people know that a provider exercised horrible client relation skills.

But she did text you both times to say she couldn't make it. She flaked. But you weren't left there wondering if she was ever gonna get there. She let you know she wouldn't be coming at the time you had previously agreed. You were expecting her to offer to meet later and she didn't.

My main squeeze phildo who all but choked on every pfmtony opportunity up in this trucker and then failingly gives you a pass by entirely missing the point that this isn't even a NCNS. It's a didn't offer me a later time so I'm posting a NCNS as my cunt punt move threAD.

Or are stood up and NCNS different???

Wondering if she stole his Kenwood stereo as well.

Sorry, THN, the flashback to PFMTony caused me another flashback to threads gone by.

Unconfirmed appointment. She called and confirmed she was canceling. And then sent you a message saying basically maybe I'll see you on the next day. Then calls to say no, I don't have the time. I can see how from your perspective it seems like bad business. In an outsiders perspective it just looks like your feelings were hurt because seeing you wasn't the joy and pleasure for her as it would have been for you. I think that why it got a little off topic. Guess we were trying to remind you a decision to take or not take an appointment are not personal but business decisions. That good business is a matter of perspective.

A lot of stuff about us humans in this thread.
This is a business, that due to it's nature, it is a bit more personal than selling hardware.
It's all due to brain chemistry, harder to deal with for some than others. Not excusing anything, just accepting reality. There are some hookers/clients that clients/hookers are going to genuinely like, and some they will dislike, the majority fall into the 'he/she is ok' catagory.
The ladies, as spoken for very well by THN, seem to me to be the more realistic. Probably because for most it is their livelyhood and as such requires more of a business like view.

Since none of this is new, we'll all continue on until permanent limp dick and dry pussy sets in and mostly be ok.