All of this wanting to pay less for less..

Alyssa...what a great show! I'll bring the popcorn! You make good points and ultimately it's your business to run. Just stating my opinion that some men will ask for cheaper rates for less activities. Some providers will say yes and some will say no. Whatever the middle ground is, is up to the two adults. It's a part of the business. Not trying to attack you! Originally Posted by ketchmm

No harm. I just asked this to get some honest feedback. While currently it is not something that I offer and I have no plans to in my future.. the world is always changing.
Some things make sense to me.. Why a guy would vs wouldn't (better sensation/lower risk) a CBJ vs BBBJ. I have always just had BBBJ as my standard, but I remember when I started that the majority of the girls up charged for it. I just don't understand why some people think because they want say .. "Only a BBBJ" that it should be less. Sex is one of the easiest things on the planet. I guess there are some girls who treat it as more intimate than other activities.. I personally find kissing to be the most intimate activity.. Someone once asked what my rate was for 30 minutes of kissing. I was kind of insulted, but I just ignored him.
Sometimes I like mature discussion.. Sometimes I like silly discussion. I try to find a balance in the middle somewhere.

You're women. I disabused myself of that possibility a long time ago, and nothing since then has caused me to reconsider it, Some of you fake it better than others, but enjoying it? Nah. Sex is something women tolerate for security or money, not something they enjoy. Originally Posted by Sir Lancehernot

this is a factor if been thinking about, there a paid nymphos and real nymphos in the hobby, most of the best "paid nymphos" have all the perks of being well infamous for the faking , and many take pride in it... but i will disagree with you sir, women do LOVE sex, most just won't admit to it

... but i will disagree with you sir, women do LOVE sex, most just won't admit to it Originally Posted by Wulf_Princess

And those in the hobby that do...well, screw the acronyms. Going off script is always more fun with a lady that loves what she's doing, IMHO.

And those in the hobby that do...well, screw the acronyms. Going off script is always more fun with a lady that loves what she's doing, IMHO. Originally Posted by TinMan

wait so you say faking it is better then actually wanting to be there and actally enjoying the experience?

wait so you say faking it is better then actually wanting to be there and actally enjoying the experience? Originally Posted by Wulf_Princess

No, quite the opposite. I'm saying I don't care if we go down a checklist of acronyms. I prefer unscripted sessions, even if the activities are limited (not by design, just because we are enjoying ourselves so much).

No harm. I just asked this to get some honest feedback. While currently it is not something that I offer and I have no plans to in my future.. the world is always changing.
Some things make sense to me.. Why a guy would vs wouldn't (better sensation/lower risk) a CBJ vs BBBJ. I have always just had BBBJ as my standard, but I remember when I started that the majority of the girls up charged for it. I just don't understand why some people think because they want say .. "Only a BBBJ" that it should be less. Sex is one of the easiest things on the planet. I guess there are some girls who treat it as more intimate than other activities.. I personally find kissing to be the most intimate activity.. Someone once asked what my rate was for 30 minutes of kissing. I was kind of insulted, but I just ignored him.
Sometimes I like mature discussion.. Sometimes I like silly discussion. I try to find a balance in the middle somewhere. Originally Posted by Alyssa Marie

this is a factor if been thinking about, there a paid nymphos and real nymphos in the hobby, most of the best "paid nymphos" have all the perks of being well infamous for the faking , and many take pride in it... but i will disagree with you sir, women do LOVE sex, most just won't admit to it Originally Posted by Wulf_Princess

You know, I'm going to be accused of having a brown nose around here (which I do btw, but that's besides the point), but I have to admit I really get a kick at of your responses, Wulf Princess & Alyssa Marie. Not in just these quotes, but in going back and reading through this and other threads. There's just so much insight, gravitas, and juice in your words. Real wisdom there for newbies/shy guys like me. I'm sure I'm overlooking a few other providers too. Btw, Wulf, your signatures...my god, hilarious.

No, quite the opposite. I'm saying I don't care if we go down a checklist of acronyms. I prefer unscripted sessions, even if the activities are limited (not by design, just because we are enjoying ourselves so much). Originally Posted by TinMan

ah lol my apologies ^.^

+200

No, quite the opposite. I'm saying I don't care if we go down a checklist of acronyms. I prefer unscripted sessions, even if the activities are limited (not by design, just because we are enjoying ourselves so much). Originally Posted by TinMan

My thoughts exactly.

Question for Alyssa Marie, Wulf Princess and Melanie Star...

Let's say a guy gladly pays your regular 1hr rate, but does not want to partake in FS (for whatever reason). He's clean and respectful. He enjoys LFK/DFK, BBBJ and DATY (but he doesn't just dive in between the legs...it happens in the natural course of things, as intimacy builds).

If you truly LOVE sex, are you left wanting more? Is it a less desirable session for you with no FS? Because, for many guys, even though we are paying our our pleasure, we really do want the woman to enjoy it as much as possible.

Question for Alyssa Marie, Wulf Princess and Melanie Star...

Let's say a guy gladly pays your regular 1hr rate, but does not want to partake in FS (for whatever reason). He's clean and respectful. He enjoys LFK/DFK, BBBJ and DATY (but he doesn't just dive in between the legs...it happens in the natural course of things, as intimacy builds).

If you truly LOVE sex, are you left wanting more? Is it a less desirable session for you with no FS? Because, for many guys, even though we are paying our our pleasure, we really do want the woman to enjoy it as much as possible. Originally Posted by Little Caesar

it depends, honestly ... i love the sight and feeling of cum pulsating in me

but i also love to swallow... so honestly if he came on my face or i got to swallow i'd be as happy as having full sex, and he's get a 20 back

LC - I like variety. I don't need nor want the same thing every time.. So, unfortunately I'm another vote for "it depends." More often than not, I'm never left unsatisfied. I don't view my life as each event and how I feel afterwards.. I treat it like one huge just go with it.

Question for Alyssa Marie, Wulf Princess and Melanie Star...

Let's say a guy gladly pays your regular 1hr rate, but does not want to partake in FS (for whatever reason). He's clean and respectful. He enjoys LFK/DFK, BBBJ and DATY (but he doesn't just dive in between the legs...it happens in the natural course of things, as intimacy builds).

If you truly LOVE sex, are you left wanting more? Is it a less desirable session for you with no FS? Because, for many guys, even though we are paying our our pleasure, we really do want the woman to enjoy it as much as possible. Originally Posted by Little Caesar

69 that way we are both happy!
Or, I ask you to put your finger in me at the same time, usually gets me there.
If I absolutely want more and want you in me, then I will bring you to the edge and then back off while doing some BLS, then ask you to put it in me. Usually, works out either way. My main goal is to relax and have fun. The more you relax and stop thinking about the technicalities the more enjoyable our time will be, no matter the activities it took us to get there.

I cant tell if this is an AD or if I should move you up on my 2DL LOL. Sorry, I still havent taken my meds yet. Ill get up and do that now. Either way I think this is AWESOME!

69 that way we are both happy!
Or, I ask you to put your finger in me at the same time, usually gets me there.
If I absolutely want more and want you in me, then I will bring you to the edge and then back off while doing some BLS, then ask you to put it in me. Usually, works out either way. My main goal is to relax and have fun. The more you relax and stop thinking about the technicalities the more enjoyable our time will be, no matter the activities it took us to get there. Originally Posted by melannie_star

I don't have a problem with ladies upcharging for certain items, such as Greek, MSOG, or whatever else, as long as it is upfront on their profile or ads and there are no surprises. The problem I do have are the ladies who advertise different rates for PSE vs GFE. I have literally backed away from contacting ladies because I would not know what to pay and I'm not a haggler. The line to me on this is blurry; is talking dirty PSE? What about CIM? Too confusing, and too many ladies whose menus don't confuse me. Originally Posted by Barrymccockinner

I agree with you on this. It's confusing to see various rates for Greek, GFE, PSE, Fetishes, etc. Then throw in BnG, 15, 30, 60 minute sessions for each of the activities. Then if you try to find out what the session would cost you're haggling.

And not that IOP matters to everybody but when things are itemized like that it just shoves it in your face that you're just an ATM.

No, quite the opposite. I'm saying I don't care if we go down a checklist of acronyms. I prefer unscripted sessions, even if the activities are limited (not by design, just because we are enjoying ourselves so much). Originally Posted by TinMan

As usual, TinMan expresses a concept eloquently.

Sometimes a lady's company and touch takes you to another place and it really doesn't matter what or if anything else happens.

It helps to know what limits must be respected in advance. A "no" at the wrong time can spoil the mood. Beyond that, let it flow.

I believe the lower charges for "less" service logic varies by provider. As far as how well it feels to the guy, any of the "L's" can be absolutely magnificent if administered with passion and expertise.

My understanding of each of the services different value (I'm guessing from the ladies viewpoint) are:

L1 - The safest. Some have even used surgical gloves (I guess they really don't want to be doing that but like the higher rate over a massage). Can be tiring if the guy takes a long time. Can be administered as a non-sexual release service. Usually the lowest price.

L2 - More intimate. Several variations. CBJ is very close to L1 in demand. It is safest and maybe the most tolerable. BBBJ has a risk of disease. CIM is highest on the guy's list. I never figured out why anyone cares what she does with it after that (swallow, spit, etc.). It would increase the value of the session over L1.

L3 - Most sexual of the 3. Risk of disease or pregnancy in case of accidental exposure or condom breakage. Requires the most time for after-activity clean up. Thus the highest valued service.

That is my understanding of why each level service may demand a different rate. Should a lady choose to stop at L1 or L2, her rates would generally be lower than a FS provider. However, if a lady offers FS, her rate is usually a single rate for any or all of the offered activities in most cases. Some choose to offer FBSM and L1 or L2 at one rate and FS at another. Maybe they can chime in and explain their reasons for it (which I personally appreciate).

All that said, it is a "no no" to ask a FS provider with a single rate to provide a "lesser" service for less money. Pay her rate or move on.

Sorry for the rambling. I got started and had time on my hands. I think Alyssa was questioning why the services were priced differently. She did point out some good reasons why they are not "lesser" services. As to how long that has been around, I experienced it in the late 80's when I first discovered the joys of Harry Hines.Maybe it was because the L1 & L2 could be done in a car more easily than L3?