I was talking to him in a completely civil manner until he came up with this. And you LLIdiot, you just got stepped on like the cockroach that you are. but that's not new to you is it?
Originally Posted by shanm
Backup a little there cowboy. Completely civil? You basically called me a liar and called my real world example bullshit. Not completely civil in my book.
So maybe I deserved what I got from you for calling you a fucking idiot. I don't know how much you read in this forum, you don't post so I don't really know much about you but for you to think LL and I are "butt buddies" pretty much proves you don't know shit about what goes on in here. Furthermore, if you'll look at my past posts you'll see that I pretty much refrain from those types of insults(WTF not withstanding) and I think the majority of the regulars on either side would back me up on that so consider this. If I call someone a fucking idiot there's a good chance they probably "deserved" it.
You say someone should go get government handouts because they deserve them.
That's a very simplistic view and it flies in the face of a lot of peoples principles. It's also a lot of what is wrong with the entire system. People have been led to believe they deserve, or are entitled to the benefit of the sweat off of someone else's brow, apparently, including you. Many people don't want that, including me. If those people of principle were to take those benefits you would probably be the first to scream "hypocrite".
Now, lets get down to the numbers. I have no idea where you are coming up with this 9.5% or can't pay more than $3000 regardless of plan. Maybe that's buried somewhere in the law. You may be right but If I go onto one of the exchange websites I don't get that information. I've tried it.
I plugged in the information for a 48yo SWF and get prices from 200/month up to 600/month. So how does she not pay more than $3000/year if she want's a plan that's going to cost say $4800/year? Who is going to give her that money back? Does she have to file a petition? What's the process? Where is it clearly stated how this is supposed to work?
It may be on Healthcare.gov but a lot of people I know won't even go on that website because you have to give them way too much information just to get a quote. A lot of people have a huge distrust of the government in case you haven't noticed. They aren't comfortable giving up that much personal information to a government they don't trust. That's a whole other problem but it certainly contributes to this one. This healthcare bs becomes more convoluted everyday and it would appear that many in Washington like it that way. Just like they like the Tax code complicated. Can you see how that scares and intimidates some people? They need an accountant or lawyer to help them figure it out. Guess who writes these laws and codes. Lawyers and accountants. Seems a little self serving if you ask me.
You know, a lot of the people in Washington may have good intentions, Obama included, when it comes to healthcare but I feel like it is a huge government overreach. It's a way for them to insert themselves deeper and deeper into our personal daily lives. Once they are in many people take comfort in the fact that they don't have to do the heavy lifting for themselves and become more and more reliant on the government. Once they start seeing government as Santa Clause they stop caring about who is paying for it as long as it isn't them. Was the ACA a vote buying scheme? Maybe, maybe not in but it is the result of years and years of politicians using other people's money to secure there own positions. How many democrats attached their campaigns to the ACA in 2012? Answer that question honestly and you'll see whether or not they used it to get votes. That culture, that way of thinking, has to change otherwise more and more people will be feeling like they "deserve" what my taxes pay for them.
So, as far as I'm concerned Obama and the rest of Washington can take their good intentions and stick them where the sun don't shine.
Just stick to the Constitution and a lot of this shit would work itself out. Mainly by keeping the Federal Government out of our lives. Which is what half of the population wants for the most part. Which half? The half that actually pays taxes.
