I purchased Premium Gasoline today for $2.50 a Gallon- Thank You President Obama!!!!

Well, I'm back and the usual idiots are still here. Praising Obama for low gas prices??? What exactly did he do? Those gas prices are low for a couple of reasons that have nothing to do with Obama. Don't you think if he could take some credit for the prices that they wold be trumpeding it to the world? They aren't because they know that gas prices went down because demand went down and the supply went up (especially in the US). Since Obama has not been releasing federal land for exploration this boom in the oil supply is about the private oil companies. Nothing that Obama can take credit for. In fact Obama has been working against the oil companies. Remember all those drilling rigs that left the US after the BP oil spill and Obama's reluctance to grant certificates? They went to south America and still won't be back for a couple more years. We can't even talk about the Keystone XL pipeline and that bribe given by TomSteyr to the DNC.

My whole purpose of stating this thread was to mock the GOP when they gave credit for Bush having oil prices low so I guess what's good for the goose is good for the ganger so I am now thanking Obama for lowering the oil prices. Do you get it now Daili????? Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

If a president creates conditions that will increase the global supply of oil then he can have an effect on global prices.

If a President...such as Bush...opens more federal land to oil leases and also makes things easier for production...then he can have an effect on the world supply and price.

The price of oil can go up or down without any presidential involvement but that doesn't mean a President can't do anything about it..

Let me ask you this....Do you think a President can make the price of oil go up with his policies? Do you think regulations have anything to do with the price of gasoline?


Enjoy your $2.50 a gallon gas while it lasts. I remember buying it for $0.19.

Well, I'm back and the usual idiots are still here. Praising Obama for low gas prices??? What exactly did he do? Those gas prices are low for a couple of reasons that have nothing to do with Obama. Don't you think if he could take some credit for the prices that they wold be trumpeding it to the world? They aren't because they know that gas prices went down because demand went down and the supply went up (especially in the US). Since Obama has not been releasing federal land for exploration this boom in the oil supply is about the private oil companies. Nothing that Obama can take credit for. In fact Obama has been working against the oil companies. Remember all those drilling rigs that left the US after the BP oil spill and Obama's reluctance to grant certificates? They went to south America and still won't be back for a couple more years. We can't even talk about the Keystone XL pipeline and that bribe given by TomSteyr to the DNC. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Now there is one more idiot here who has no concept of sarcasm.

My whole purpose of stating this thread was to mock the GOP when they gave credit for Bush having oil prices low so I guess what's good for the goose is good for the ganger so I am now thanking Obama for lowering the oil prices. Do you get it now Daili????? Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Oh and by the way... Even though he has done nothing to bring the price down, this President frequently toots his own horn about the low cost of oil and takes credit for it.

Do you get it now wellendowed?????

Invading a Country and impeding their oil production in the process will lower global oil supplies. Right Lama?

Well, I'm back and the usual idiots are still here. Praising Obama for low gas prices??? What exactly did he do? Those gas prices are low for a couple of reasons that have nothing to do with Obama. Don't you think if he could take some credit for the prices that they wold be trumpeding it to the world? They aren't because they know that gas prices went down because demand went down and the supply went up (especially in the US). Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I swear I remember you criticizing Obama a few months ago in a different thread for the high price of gasoline at that time.

Invading a Country and impeding their oil production in the process will lower global oil supplies. Right Lama?




Originally Posted by WTF

Driving to the golf course in a big SUV will also create more demand..

If a president creates conditions that will increase the global supply of oil then he can have an effect on global prices.

If a President...such as Bush...opens more federal land to oil leases and also makes things easier for production...then he can have an effect on the world supply and price.

The price of oil can go up or down without any presidential involvement but that doesn't mean a President can't do anything about it..

Let me ask you this....Do you think a President can make the price of oil go up with his policies? Do you think regulations have anything to do with the price of gasoline?


Enjoy your $2.50 a gallon gas while it lasts. I remember buying it for $0.19. Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

You still don't get it do you? You state that you remember when gas was 0.19 cents a gallon- and you are smart enough to know that 0.19 back then is surely not the same as 0.19 cents today so that was irrelevant - surely you heard of something called INFLATION? I am pretty sure when gas was 0.19 cents a gallon a car that cost 10k was considered to be a high end luxury car- where as a car that cost 10k in 2014 is considered an entry level economy car- far from being a luxury model/

You asked me this question: Do you think a President can make the price of oil go up with his policies? Do you think regulations have anything to do with the price of gasoline?

First let me inform you that even Obama admits that he's not an OIL guy- Bush was an Oil guy- yet the facts remain that the Obama administration has produced far more oil then the Bush Administration- and actually it's not even close.http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/inte...-surprise-you/


However, here is something that shits on your whole idea DaliLama that if we reduced regulations and allowed more oil drilling that gas prices would be lower- Here are several economist who are on record stating that if the U.S was to drill as much as they possibly can that it would have virtually little to NO impact on gas prices.

It was proven incorrect in the last PRES Debate- if the U.S opened up all the drilling it could both domestic and off shore- it would create jobs- but would have minimal impact on oil prices. Again Oil prices are a global issue again supply and demand- here is an article where 20 experts all agreed that drilling domestically or off shore would do little to lower gas prices: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/03...as-pric/184040

Ken Green, American Enterprise Institute, "If the U.S. produced more of its own oil, it would probably reduce imports, but it's not likely that it would reduce prices ... We probably cannot produce so much oil to exert downward pressure on prices compared to the world market."

Peter Van Doren and Jerry Taylor, Cato Institute: "Sure, more domestic oil creates the possibility of fewer refined imports tied to the price of Brent crude, but given that the price of Brent sets the price for crude generally, the result would be more profit for domestic crude producers rather than significantly lower gasoline prices for Americans (not that there's anything wrong with that)."

Doug Holtz-Eakin, American Action Forum: "Domestic action to increase production will not lower gas prices set on a global market."

Christopher Knittel, MIT economist: "There are not many markets where the United States can't impose its will on market outcomes ... This is one we can't, and it's hard for the average American to understand that and it's easy for politicians to feed off that."

Pinelopi Goldberg, Yale economist: "US domestic policy has only tiny effect on the world price of oil. US foreign policy is probably more relevant than energy policy."

Steve Koonin, Institute for Defense Analyses: "When you hear the international oil companies advocating for energy independence, it's really about making money, which isn't a bad thing ... If they produce a million more barrels a day, they're not going to change the global price much. And since they know the global price is going up, they'll just make more money. There's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't solve the price problem or the greenhouse gas problem."

Michael Levi, Council on Foreign Relations: "The amount of oil you produce at home doesn't affect the price ... You can lower your vulnerability to price by lowering your consumption of oil, but not by increasing your production."

Severin Borenstein, UC Berkeley economist: "Producing more oil domestically will enrich the U.S. economy, particularly U.S. oil companies and their workers. With oil so valuable, it may be a good idea, though the value must be weighed against environmental consequences. But it will have no discernible impact on gas prices, because it will change the world's supply/demand balance for oil by less than 2 or 3 percent over a decade or more."

David Peterson, Duke statistician: "U.S. production and demand have little to do with the price of gasoline in the U.S."

Edward Melnick, NYU statistician: When U.S. production goes up, the price of gas "is certainly not going down ... The data does not suggest that whatsoever."

David Sandalow, former Brookings fellow: "Drilling offshore to lower oil prices is like walking an extra 20 feet per day to lose weight. ... It's just not going to make much of a difference."

Tom Kloza, Oil Price Information Service: "This drill drill drill thing is tired ... It's a simplistic way of looking for a solution that doesn't exist."

Richard Newell, former Administrator of Energy Information Administration: "We do not project additional volumes of oil that could flow from greater access to oil resources on Federal lands to have a large impact on prices given the globally integrated nature of the world oil market."

Dean Baker, Center for Economic and Policy Research: "There is almost no disagreement among economists that drilling everywhere all the time offshore will have almost no impact on the price of gas in the United States. The reason is that we have a world market for oil. The additional oil that might come from offshore drilling is a drop in the bucket in a world oil market of almost 90 million barrels a day."

Lou Crandall, Wrightson ICAP LLC: "Higher oil prices today are a global phenomenon, and the additional supply from increased drilling by the U.S. would not alter the global balance of supply and demand greatly. Gasoline prices at the pump would be higher either way. The only difference is that a somewhat larger share of the revenue would accrue to domestic interests (governmental and private) rather than to foreign suppliers."

Paul Bledsoe, Bipartisan Policy Center: "The notion that somehow we can produce so much domestically that we will move the global price is incorrect."

Tom O'Donnell, The New School: "The amount of extra oil that the U.S. would produce, as far as affecting the world price of oil, is almost insignificant."'

Deborah Gordon, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace: "We can drill doggedly in our own backyards, but the price of gasoline will remain more a matter of speculation over externally-driven factors than tapping new sources of oil at home."

Joseph Dukert, energy analyst: "Americans tend to exaggerate the price effects of fluctuations in domestic production in relation to the total amount of oil in global trade. On the larger stage, the perception of geopolitical risks is more important."

Phyllis Martin, Energy Information Administration: "In 2009, the U.S. produced about 7 percent of what was produced in the entire world, so increasing the oil production in the U.S. is not going to make much of a difference in world markets and world prices ... It just gets lost. It's not that much.][/COLOR]


So Mr.DaliLama are you smarter than these 20 economist? Can you produce me some evidence instead of the words from Sarah Palin that drilling would lower gas prices?

the usual idiots are still here. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

JDIdiot, you need to be more specific! Other than you, who are "the usual idiots (that) are still here?"

Which of the following Idiot's were you referencing?

LLIdiot?
IBIdiot?
JLIdiot?
COIdiot?
TrendingIdiot?
IIFFYIdiot?
All of the Idiot's listed above?

You still don't get it do you? You state that you remember when gas was 0.19 cents a gallon- and you are smart enough to know that 0.19 back then is surely not the same as 0.19 cents today so that was irrelevant - surely you heard of something called INFLATION? I am pretty sure when gas was 0.19 cents a gallon a car that cost 10k was considered to be a high end luxury car- where as a car that cost 10k in 2014 is considered an entry level economy car- far from being a luxury model/

I am aware that $0.19 is irrelevant to today's prices. I was just a fun remark about the good days and memories I had while growing up. There was no point to be made.

You asked me this question: Do you think a President can make the price of oil go up with his policies? Do you think regulations have anything to do with the price of gasoline?

First let me inform you that even Obama admits that he's not an OIL guy- Bush was an Oil guy- yet the facts remain that the Obama administration has produced far more oil then the Bush Administration- and actually it's not even close.http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/inte...-surprise-you/

OMG.....there you go again! Tell me what exactly what the Obama administration did to produce all that oil?


However, here is something that shits on your whole idea DaliLama that if we reduced regulations and allowed more oil drilling that gas prices would be lower- Here are several economist who are on record stating that if the U.S was to drill as much as they possibly can that it would have virtually little to NO impact on gas prices.

There are "several" posters in this forum who believe aliens from outer space have landed on this planet. In fact one of them claims to have been "probed"



So Mr.DaliLama are you smarter than these 20 economist?

Yep. I'm smarter than you too.



Can you produce me some evidence instead of the words from Sarah Palin that drilling would lower gas prices?


What words of Sara Palin did I use?

I never said that drilling would lower the price did I? In fact drilling isn't production or supply and demand is it?

My argument is about 2 points.... Price is determined by SUPPLY and DEMAND.....and a President can influence both of those factors.


I will concede this wellendowed....

The President has in fact influenced the low price of oil during his administration....by creating "The Great Recession" and driving the economy into the ground... there is less demand..... Less commerce and less people driving to work.,



Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Oh and by the way... Even though he has done nothing to bring the price down, this President frequently toots his own horn about the low cost of oil and takes credit for it.

Do you get it now wellendowed????? Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

Obama's Toot toot. Blow on it, Barry.





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Jesus!

Jesus! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

oh right, i forget, you know him personally right??? you are one "chosen one" who should be un-chosen.

Happy fella...

Even if the U.S was to drill as much oil as possible - it would probably bring down oil prices 50 cents at the pump at the most- and 50 cents is being generous. Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Where do you come up with your numbers, limpdick? Do you even drive? Visit the pump lately? Gas prices have dropped by almost a buck a gallon in the past 5 months alone:

Average US per gallon gasoline price 6/30/14: $3.78
Average US per gallon gasoline price 12/1/14: $2.86

Decline in national avg gas price in last 5 months = $0.92 per gallon.

Pay attention. You're about as much of an oil price expert as Liberace was an expert on pussy.