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You did provide a response, but it didn't get to the heart of the question. You stated it is hard to explain, and it is. It's hard to explain because Socialism isn't a way of life in America and I don't think too many people can come up with a realistic model of what American Socialism would be like. So that being the case, I provided a link with some information on Sweden. Sweden along with Norway, Finland and Denmark. enjoy great success in their Democratic Socialist economy. Their success is based on measures of equality in wealth redistribution. They do achieve that through high taxation on income, high sales tax and 25% of their GDP goes to welfare programs in comparison to ours which is about 15%. Now keep in mind Sweden has an overall population of only 9.5 million America is 320 million. What would we have to do to implement a Democratic Socialist economy that has the success rate of Sweden? Raise taxes no doubt, both income and sales taxes. Money would have to come from every area in order to provide free healthcare, free education ect. Redistribution of wealth would be a major priority for success of a Democratic Socialist system in America. Could Socialism work in America? Maybe, maybe not. I agree with anyone who feels the poverty level in this country is shameful, especially due to the trillion dollars spent every year on total bullshit, while people stand in line for food stamps, that's not Socialism or Capitalism, that's modern day slavery. There's no doubt our economic system needs to make changes whether it be through Socialism or trimming the fat off our currant crony Capitalist system. Every system has it's drawbacks. Under Socialism, America would lose something and even gain something. The key is what we would lose or gain and what the pros and cons would be.



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http://www.paoracle.com/SocialismWORKS!/?sw=Sweden Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

And drawing attention to the inequality is the first step. You mention the extra money that would be required, but you also have to figure in that would be money we don't spend on health insurance and health-care. I know it's not perfect. Never thought it was, but it's interesting to look at. I would be OK with removing the massive waste we have under our current system. If you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to support yourself on what you make. That's not currently true under our current wage system. You can work 40 hours a week at minimum wage and you are under the poverty line. That's bullshit.

And drawing attention to the inequality is the first step. You mention the extra money that would be required, but you also have to figure in that would be money we don't spend on health insurance and health-care. I know it's not perfect. Never thought it was, but it's interesting to look at. I would be OK with removing the massive waste we have under our current system. If you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to support yourself on what you make. That's not currently true under our current wage system. You can work 40 hours a week at minimum wage and you are under the poverty line. That's bullshit. Originally Posted by WombRaider

In your opinion what is the minimum wage for a 40 hour work week?

In your opinion what is the minimum wage for a 40 hour work week? Originally Posted by Budman

It should be enough to support yourself. Since it's currently not enough to do that, you have people relying on govt assistance who might not need to if they were paid a living wage.

It should be enough to support yourself. Since it's currently not enough to do that, you have people relying on govt assistance who might not need to if they were paid a living wage. Originally Posted by WombRaider

What do you consider a living wage?

Stealth socialism is one thing...

Out right voting a communist for president is another...

Y'all sure you want to do this? It won't end good but if that's what you want. So be it...


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What do you consider a living wage? Originally Posted by Budman

I know where you're going with this, you've employed this MO before. It depends on a lot of different things. It shouldn't be below the poverty line.

Because you have no idea what socialism actually is, that's why. We are constantly bombarded in this country with the tired tropes that we know better and we're superior and there are no better ways of doing things other than the way we do them. There are many ways to do things. Plenty of countries are running just fine on what you would call 'socialism' and their people are happy and they have good lives. Originally Posted by WombRaider

maybe you should go live there if its so great, that way you would get out of moms basement and she could stop worries about you down at tallywhackers

What do you consider a living wage? Originally Posted by Budman

The "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas will back his boy Odumbo and claim a minimum living wage is what ever Odumbo claims it is, and that's politically arbitrary; just like when Odumbo arbitrarily increased the number of people who lived below the so-called *poverty level* in 2010.

[Qodumbo's] new definition has strange consequences. Suppose that all Americans doubled their incomes tomorrow, and suppose that their spending on food, clothing, housing and utilities also doubled. That would seem to signify less poverty -- but not by the new poverty measure. It wouldn't decline, because the poverty threshold would go up as spending went up...

What produces this outcome is a different view of poverty. The present concept is an absolute one: The poverty threshold reflects the amount estimated to meet basic needs. By contrast, the supplemental measure embraces a relative notion of poverty: People are automatically poor if they're a given distance from the top, even if their incomes are increasing. The idea is that they suffer psychological deprivation by being far outside the mainstream. The math of this relative definition makes it hard for people at the bottom ever to escape "poverty."

The new indicator is a "propaganda device" to promote income redistribution by showing that poverty is stubborn or increasing, says the Heritage Foundation's Robert Rector. He has a point. The Census Bureau has estimated statistics similar to the administration's proposal. In 2008, the traditional poverty rate was 13.2 percent; estimates of the new statistic range up to 17 percent. The new poverty statistic exceeds the old, and the gap grows larger over time. (WaPo)

You've all but admitted you have micro penis. Originally Posted by WombRaider

Notice how there is no equivocation in positively stating you admitted you are a cock-sucker, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.

Just like I know every time you open your mouth, the cum from your customers at the truck stop gloryhole dribbles out. Originally Posted by RedLeg505

Nope. I swallow. Originally Posted by WombRaider

maybe you should go live there if its so great, that way you would get out of moms basement and she could stop worries about you down at tallywhackers Originally Posted by gary5912

You sound like a swell guy.

Why don't you learn to speak the fucking language first, then we'll talk about who's moving where, shitheel.

The "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas will back his boy Odumbo and claim a minimum living wage is what ever Odumbo claims it is, and that's politically arbitrary; just like when Odumbo arbitrarily increased the number of people who lived below the so-called *poverty level* in 2010.







Notice how there is no equivocation in positively stating you admitted you are a cock-sucker, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Utter and complete bullshit.

Utter and complete bullshit. Originally Posted by WombRaider

You elect bullshit politicians, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas, and Odumbo created an arbitrary definition for poverty that ignores fat people collecting food benefits. If you want to see real poverty, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas, visit a third world country where the poverty stricken aren't fat, drinking a 40 oz, while they watch cable vision on a 40 inch screen and text their cuz on their Odumbo phones.

You elect bullshit politicians, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas, and Odumbo created an arbitrary definition for poverty that ignores fat people collecting food benefits. If you want to see real poverty, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas, visit a third world country where the poverty stricken aren't fat, drinking a 40 oz, while they watch cable vision on a 40 inch screen and text their cuz on their Odumbo phones.
Originally Posted by I B Hankering

I've been to several countries where the poverty is unbelievable. What you fail to recognize is that not all poverty is equal. There are still people in this country that are in very bad shape. Children who don't eat. I know you don't give a shit, you'd rather point out that it's not as bad as third-world country. The problem is, it shouldn't even be close, you ignorant buffoon. You call this country great. We aren't great as long as we don't feed our children and take care of our veterans, who fought for your right to act like a goddamn, motherfucking jackass on the internet 24/7, you gruberised odumbo shitstain on the ass crack of humanity.

PS - cablevision? how fucking old ARE you. Jesus Christ. You're nothing but an equivocating piece of rotten shit.

I've been to several countries where the poverty is unbelievable. What you fail to recognize is that not all poverty is equal. There are still people in this country that are in very bad shape. Children who don't eat. I know you don't give a shit, you'd rather point out that it's not as bad as third-world country. The problem is, it shouldn't even be close, you ignorant buffoon. You call this country great. We aren't great as long as we don't feed our children and take care of our veterans, who fought for your right to act like a goddamn, motherfucking jackass on the internet 24/7, you gruberised odumbo shitstain on the ass crack of humanity.

PS - cablevision? how fucking old ARE you. Jesus Christ. You're nothing but an equivocating piece of rotten shit. Originally Posted by WombRaider

You and your boy Odumbo would be the equivocating POS, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. The only children in this country not getting proper nutrition belong to POS parents -- people fucked-in-the-head lib-retards like you enable -- who smoke and drink away the money they are given by the state to feed their children, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.

You and your boy Odumbo would be the equivocating POS, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. The only children in this country not getting proper nutrition belong to POS parents -- people fucked-in-the-head lib-retards like you enable -- who smoke and drink away the money they are given by the state to feed their children, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

If you really believe that, you're a fucking idiot the likes of which I've never seen. What does it say about your parents, that you go around here repeating the same tired shit over and over. I'd say it qualifies them as failures, since you want to bring up POS parents. I guess in your little bubble there are no homeless children who don't have parents. Or kids in foster care who are mistreated. You're a fucking failure at life. Completely.

If you really believe that, you're a fucking idiot the likes of which I've never seen. What does it say about your parents, that you go around here repeating the same tired shit over and over. I'd say it qualifies them as failures, since you want to bring up POS parents. I guess in your little bubble there are no homeless children who don't have parents. Or kids in foster care who are mistreated. You're a fucking failure at life. Completely. Originally Posted by WombRaider

Anyone who has been to a fuckin' supermarket has "witnessed it", you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. Food stamps for the food, and cash for the cigs and booze, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.