A letter to the providers....

LOL....right!?!?! Another sexy and smart woman in our midst...'-)

I think it's a good idea! Maybe someday.....:-)

I look at many sites to find out the rate if it's different, I contact them through the site at the rate I feel is most appropriate. Sometimes it's not the lowest rate. Hobbiests, do your research. Ladies run different rates for reasons previously stated. It seems like looking for a particular item at different stores. One store may be running a special on the item.

If the rate is not what you want, find another lady.

Hey, just my opinion.

Bullshit!

If that kind of information is readily available then it is on you to be aware of it.

It is your responsibility to research thoroughly enough to make an informed decision. Originally Posted by Mokoa

Hey!

this is a service business.

I am the paying client.

you have issues with that, then don't choose the profession of a provider.

statements like in one showcase:

If you decide that the GFE that I provide is right for you, then by all means, let me know! Please send the information of at least two well-known providers whom I can contact for references as well as your phone number so that they can properly verify you. The more references of recently seen ladies you provide, the more quickly we can meet!

are frankly chillers and killers. it is NOT of the provider's business to know whom i was with before. Same as it is NOT my business, with whom and how many clients she was before.
Also. it is more on-demand. taking up to a week to schedule an appointment appears as a tale from fantasy land.

I am not into submission and dominatrices. so i do not enjoy some condescending mothering rules nagging.
for that i can get married and receive that treatment my either the mother in law, the spouse or both.

this subject really becomes frustrating.

legalize this stuff and get on.

Hey!
it is NOT of the provider's business to know whom i was with before. Same as it is NOT my business, with whom and how many clients she was before.

I am not into submission and dominatrices. so i do not enjoy some condescending mothering rules nagging.
for that i can get married and receive that treatment my either the mother in law, the spouse or both. Originally Posted by Buonas

It is my business...just as you should make it your business to research me if you'd like to have your fantasy date unfold in exactly (or close to) the way you'd like it to.

Wow. So you find it condescending that a provider would want to confirm, for her safety, your legitimacy? Interesting.

Thankfully, you sir, do not represent the majority. The hobbyist who enjoys his life and freedom doesn't go near a provider with zero screening requirements. There are other places to find girls like that, so for you, I would strongly advise against going to boards and websites where the providers have standards. You won't have to worry about all that 'nagging' we do if you look in other locations.
Screening is not just for my safety; it's for yours, as well.

It is my business...just as you should make it your business to research me if you'd like to have your fantasy date unfold in exactly (or close to) the way you'd like it to.

Wow. So you find it condescending that a provider would want to confirm, for her safety, your legitimacy? Interesting.

Thankfully, you sir, do not represent the majority. The hobbyist who enjoys his life and freedom doesn't go near a provider with zero screening requirements. There are other places to find girls like that, so for you, I would strongly advise against going to boards and websites where the providers have standards. You won't have to worry about all that 'nagging' we do if you look in other locations.
Screening is not just for my safety; it's for yours, as well. Originally Posted by UTR ATF

No. I said repeatedly that this country should legalize this business. But some readers here, including providers, have the ridiculous notion that that would be a bad idea.

as someone working in the datamining industry, i know exactly what i talk about regarding data protection - or rather the lack thereof and where information from establishments like p411 and agencies end up.

in my opinion you are rather naive not taking data protection seriously.

as to fantasies etc. ink for ads is patient.

the reality of compatible fantasies can only be established - well - in a real appointment.

again: why would you want to know:

place of employment/business
real recidency
real name
financial background info

and have such an agency (e.g. p411) call you at your place of employement?

to put it drastically:

vip providers do end up dead precisely because they do keep client lists.

Hey!

this is a service business.

I am the paying client.

you have issues with that, then don't choose the profession of a provider. Originally Posted by Buonas

I am not a provider.

Man, talk about naive.

I do have an issue with someone who thinks that as a paying client he is absolved of the responsibility of doing the necessary research to be informed before he pays for the service and then gets all upset when he does not get what he expects.

sure. you always troll my comments. so, when you quote, you should quote in a manner that keeps the context intact.
i have never said one should not inform himself before choosing a service, generally speaking. i have issues with some manners of screening and the tone, those are conveyed to the prospective client. Hence my satirical remark about SOs and In-Laws.

the root problem remains that this business essentially is illegal in this country and leads to bizzare customs of shellacking it with some sense of legality.

if someone opens his comment with "bullshit" in bold and exclamation points, it frankly asks for a reply. i was diplomatic enough to attempt my content to be on-topic.

You're not the paying client if we don't let you in, sweetheart!

Let me provide a different context.

In general, in the civie world, when you are sleeping with a woman ... she knows your name, where you work, your phone numbers, etc. And she has probably asked you about your last couple of girlfriends to assess your attitude about that.

Likely, in the modern era, she has typed your name into a sex offender registry and run an Intellius report on you.

And that's a civie girl.

Why has she done these things? To know who you are, and assure her safety. Because 2nd wave feminism notwithstanding, she is NOT your physical equal. She IS just as aggressive (according to a Harvard Medical School study) but she is NOT as capable of damage (according to the same study.)

Why would a provider be any different?

I mean, seriously. Are providers bullet proof or possessed of super-human capacities unknown to other women? Are they immune to normal human concerns?

She's gathering the same data -- and usually a lot less -- as any woman would to know who you are, etc.

While actual levels of provider sexual satisfaction with clients may vary considerably; a fair amount of research using MRI indicates that for most women (and thus presumably providers) it is necessary for them to feel safe to gain much sexual enjoyment.

Everyone wants to enjoy their job to the extent it is possible; whether that person is a janitor, bank president or provider. The screening to provide the sense of safety is a prerequisite in some cases, I suspect, to enjoying the job.

So I have no issue with providers asking for the information.

HOWEVER -- I agree with criticisms of provider data security. I have yet to encounter a provider who used high quality Public Key Cryptography for exchanging personally identifiable information in CLEAR TEXT over email. When you consider that the terms of service of most email providers allow their employees to read your email without notice (yes, read the TOS), the security holes are so big you can drive a truck through them.

I have no doubt that there are SOME providers out there who boot their computers from a Security Enhanced Linux thumb drive from whence they mount a secured and encrypted partition; use tunneling to connect to a proxy whence they surf and use encryption technologies cleared for Top Secret data when they exchange email with clients. And they do it all from within a Faraday shield so their monitor emanations can't be read remotely.

But I've never encountered one. I've encountered ladies with SOME level of security (e.g. an encrypted drive which is at least a start); but none who protected email while in transit across untrusted networks.

So I agree that, because the business is arguably illegal; if they are going to ask for personally identifiable data they have a responsibility to safeguard it. After all, the first thing LE grabs when they bust in is the computer -- and there is a reason for that.

With power (to require personally identifiable information) comes responsibility (to safeguard it).

I support both perspectives. I'm happy to give any provider I would choose to see the information she requires -- assuming I have it. But in exchange for my happy cooperation, I think I can reasonably expect a higher degree of data security.

Hey!

this is a service business.

I am the paying client.

you have issues with that, then don't choose the profession of a provider.

statements like in one showcase:



are frankly chillers and killers. it is NOT of the provider's business to know whom i was with before. Same as it is NOT my business, with whom and how many clients she was before.
Also. it is more on-demand. taking up to a week to schedule an appointment appears as a tale from fantasy land.

I am not into submission and dominatrices. so i do not enjoy some condescending mothering rules nagging.
for that i can get married and receive that treatment my either the mother in law, the spouse or both.

this subject really becomes frustrating.

legalize this stuff and get on. Originally Posted by Buonas

Yes, this is a service business but it also VERY PERSONAL business which can always result in either memorial services or court date. Both are a lot more likely to showcase the Lady rather than her date.

Is it any of my business to know at least two ladies that you have met before me? You bet it is!

I personally have three separate screening techniques:

1) Confidential. Easiest and quickest. Date contacts me via P411 or Datecheck and has at least 4 - 5 RECENT provider OKs from ladies who have websites and recent reviews.

2) Confidential. Easy but may take some time. I will need 2 references from ladies who have websites and recent reviews.

3) Newbie screening. Be ready to provide me with name, last name, work info and real phone number either via form or e mail. I reserve the right not to accept the appointment if upon screening i get that spidey sense.

4) Phone call at 10pm asking if I am available now. No screening since there will be no seeing me now.

As for

Hmmm...that was an informative post and I DO care very much about the continued safety and freedom of myself and my clients. I'd be interested to know how much money it would cost to implement such a secure system and if gentlemen would be willing to accept an increase in a provider's rate (if so how much is fair?)if he knew for certain that she was a subscriber to or user of a security system that was that detailed?

Please feel free to reply guys!

Let me provide a different context.

In general, in the civie world, when you are sleeping with a woman ... she knows your name, where you work, your phone numbers, etc. And she has probably asked you about your last couple of girlfriends to assess your attitude about that.

Likely, in the modern era, she has typed your name into a sex offender registry and run an Intellius report on you.

And that's a civie girl.

Why has she done these things? To know who you are, and assure her safety. Because 2nd wave feminism notwithstanding, she is NOT your physical equal. She IS just as aggressive (according to a Harvard Medical School study) but she is NOT as capable of damage (according to the same study.)

Why would a provider be any different?

I mean, seriously. Are providers bullet proof or possessed of super-human capacities unknown to other women? Are they immune to normal human concerns?

She's gathering the same data -- and usually a lot less -- as any woman would to know who you are, etc.

While actual levels of provider sexual satisfaction with clients may vary considerably; a fair amount of research using MRI indicates that for most women (and thus presumably providers) it is necessary for them to feel safe to gain much sexual enjoyment.

Everyone wants to enjoy their job to the extent it is possible; whether that person is a janitor, bank president or provider. The screening to provide the sense of safety is a prerequisite in some cases, I suspect, to enjoying the job.

So I have no issue with providers asking for the information.

HOWEVER -- I agree with criticisms of provider data security. I have yet to encounter a provider who used high quality Public Key Cryptography for exchanging personally identifiable information in CLEAR TEXT over email. When you consider that the terms of service of most email providers allow their employees to read your email without notice (yes, read the TOS), the security holes are so big you can drive a truck through them.

I have no doubt that there are SOME providers out there who boot their computers from a Security Enhanced Linux thumb drive from whence they mount a secured and encrypted partition; use tunneling to connect to a proxy whence they surf and use encryption technologies cleared for Top Secret data when they exchange email with clients. And they do it all from within a Faraday shield so their monitor emanations can't be read remotely.

But I've never encountered one. I've encountered ladies with SOME level of security (e.g. an encrypted drive which is at least a start); but none who protected email while in transit across untrusted networks.

So I agree that, because the business is arguably illegal; if they are going to ask for personally identifiable data they have a responsibility to safeguard it. After all, the first thing LE grabs when they bust in is the computer -- and there is a reason for that.

With power (to require personally identifiable information) comes responsibility (to safeguard it).

I support both perspectives. I'm happy to give any provider I would choose to see the information she requires -- assuming I have it. But in exchange for my happy cooperation, I think I can reasonably expect a higher degree of data security. Originally Posted by Laurentius

Also, has anyone tried the data secured appointment scheduling online organizer that is advertised on P411 and what were your thoughts on it? I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post a link to the page but It is VERY cheap(like 40 bucks per year) and I've been thinking of using it when I start taking appointments again.

It would be interesting to know if it passes muster with those more expert than myself...any volunteers?

Casey

Also, has anyone tried the data secured appointment scheduling online organizer that is advertised on P411 and what were your thoughts on it? I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post a link to the page but It is VERY cheap(like 40 bucks per year) and I've been thinking of using it when I start taking appointments again. Originally Posted by EroticEmily

Hmmm...that was an informative post and I DO care very much about the continued safety and freedom of myself and my clients. I'd be interested to know how much money it would cost to implement such a secure system and if gentlemen would be willing to accept an increase in a provider's rate (if so how much is fair?)if he knew for certain that she was a subscriber to or user of a security system that was that detailed? Please feel free to reply guys! Originally Posted by EroticEmily

Actually, ALL of the tools and methods that I mentioned are *free* or nearly so; with the exception of a subscription to a proxy service, which runs about $15/month.

Do a search for thumb drive linux on google. You'll find instructions for making a Knoppix thumb drive with a separate encrypted partition. (Make sure to use the "persistent" option.) Cost? Software is free. There is only the $20 cost (or less) of the thumb drive.

Do a search for GnuPG and read up on how to install it on that thumb drive OS and integrate it with your email client. Cost? Free.

All of the encrypted tunneling software is included for free with the OS. To learn how to set it up, cotse.net (a proxy service that allows encrypted tunneling) is a good start.

I was joking about the faraday cage; but you can make one from aluminum foil if you wish.

So your total startup cost is $20 plus $10-$15/month for an encrypted proxy.

If you don't want to do the setup yourself; search for your nearest Linux User's Group and find a geek willing to do the setup for you. You should be able to get it done for a one-time fee well under $400.

Assuming you only do 50 appointments a year, and you have someone else do the setup for you, this would come out to a $12 increase per session.

Yes, I will happily pay the $12. :-)

You don't get what I said about P411.
Same applies to Intellius.

to repeat beware of how and with whom the information on those services is shared with. as i said - datamining.

on top of that, you have the 'clerical error' of erroneous data entry - which makes 30% of above mentioned data actually not useful.

legalize it.

i am actually amazed that that is not even discussed here.