Oh... I did put up sweetie. I did indeed. I didn't say anything that wasn't already being said and written by others. So far as what I stand for.. I stand for me, my safety, and the safety of anyone I give a vouch to or for. It's that simple. You don't have to agree with anything I say.. and I don't have to agree with you.
I have said or done nothing malicious to you so just calm down. I was merely letting the guys I aimed the thread at know that any way except the way THAT LADY CHOOSES to screen will not work.
Sigh... what a ridiculous bunch of shit to be getting so very riled up over. Perhaps it's time you go back to your beloved tittie bars and have a nice cocktail to soothe your nerves?
- Guest062010
- 02-05-2010, 05:37 PM
- Whispers
- 02-05-2010, 06:02 PM
I have said or done nothing malicious to you so just calm down. Originally Posted by karmaofaustinSuggesting I steal other people's identities or harass ladies to see me is not malicious?
People that steal other people's identities should be banned.
People that falsely accuse other's should be banned.
There are not a lot of things that rile me up darlin but being called a thief or someone that has to harrass someone in an attempt to get them to see me surely does get my attention.
You are simply a Liar.
- UnderCoverMan
- 02-05-2010, 07:28 PM
This is for both providers and hobbyists. From a security standpoint, which is safer and why?
A. P411
B.Choose a reliable and well reviewed newbie friendly provider and provide the required personal information, hopefully securing a valuable provider vouch?
As someone who is looking to jump into the pool, I don't want to be foolish and at the same time I want to ensure security for BOTH parties.
Advice?
A. P411
B.Choose a reliable and well reviewed newbie friendly provider and provide the required personal information, hopefully securing a valuable provider vouch?
As someone who is looking to jump into the pool, I don't want to be foolish and at the same time I want to ensure security for BOTH parties.
Advice?
- nuglet
- 02-05-2010, 07:59 PM
ok girls, settle down, You are NOT fun anymore.
- AustinBusinessTraveler
- 02-05-2010, 11:04 PM
Quick extra comment here... when Karma lectures guys about not giving out their P411 login by e-mail (send the request instead), she is technically correct under what i know of the TOS on P411.
That said, it also seems like a copout for any girl whom doesn't check. It isn't up to the guys to do your homework for you. The vast majority of the headaches would be avoided if you actually handled screening. You have an ECCIE, TER, or P411 identity from a potential client? Great, get a PM or appt request through the site so you know it isn't bogus. That one step would go a long way to avoiding the warnings we get about people hijacking accounts.
That said, it also seems like a copout for any girl whom doesn't check. It isn't up to the guys to do your homework for you. The vast majority of the headaches would be avoided if you actually handled screening. You have an ECCIE, TER, or P411 identity from a potential client? Great, get a PM or appt request through the site so you know it isn't bogus. That one step would go a long way to avoiding the warnings we get about people hijacking accounts.
- Simply Alisha
- 02-06-2010, 07:10 AM
This is for both providers and hobbyists. From a security standpoint, which is safer and why?I have made an intentional point to not get involved in this thread. But, since I am newbie friendly (and reputable), I'll give you an answer to this (and this alone!...lol)
A. P411
B.Choose a reliable and well reviewed newbie friendly provider and provide the required personal information, hopefully securing a valuable provider vouch?
As someone who is looking to jump into the pool, I don't want to be foolish and at the same time I want to ensure security for BOTH parties.
Advice? Originally Posted by UnderCoverMan
P411 is a great service! I swear by it. Gina will request personal identifying info. Your name and employment info. She will verify it, then destroy it. This is the exact same info you will provide me, as a newbie-friendly provider.
Is your info safe with p411?...absolutely. Is it safe with me? ....definitely. (am I going to lead you to believe it's safe with EVERY newbie friendly provider...absolutely not)
The advantage to p411 is that your "screening info", is always available to the provider you would like to see. There is no concern of your reference being unreachable for last-minute appts, or just not being available for whatever reason. You, also, won't have to worry about jealous providers refusing to give you a reference, due to the desire to cock-block.
I can't recommend p411 enough! However, there are those who don't want to pay for a screening service. That's when you'll have to cough up your info to someone like me
Just whatever you do, if you are going to bypass p411, and go with a newbie-friendly provider who wants your personal info...by very careful. Choose one who has a great reputation.
And always remember...you can join p411 down the road. It's not something you have to do first. It's always an option.
Good luck to you
Alisha...xoxo
- WickedHeather
- 02-06-2010, 07:23 AM
So how does a hobbyist get references if the providers keeps asking for references? I think that's one of the points being missed in this conversation is that a new hobbyist doesn't know who to see to go to get references in order to see a provider that requires references. Originally Posted by Sir Hardin ThickeThere are several VERY reputable ladies who advertise that they ARE 'newbie friendly'...that is how you get references.
just be aware, 'newbie friendly' DOES NOT mean NO screening. these are the ladies who have an alternative method. and if you ask a couple of questions of the established gents on the board they can help you to find and decide which lady is best for you.
- Monsterball
- 02-06-2010, 08:39 AM
P411 works both ways......think about it. Alisha turned me on to it a year ago and I swear by it. If a provider doesn't have a P411 account I don't even bother to contact them. I try to make initial contact on P411, short 1 liner....i know I know but thats how I role. The down side is that allot of providers don't check their e-mail every hour so if you are looking for something quick then you are probably out unless you call them first. I use ECCIE to see what activities are involved, a good laugh at the chest pounding and a good read from the creative stories (and to harass reviewers...
) and P411 to screen the provider. Its kind of a mixed bag process but it works for me. As far as I am concerned every reviewer and prospective provider is LE until I have done my own screening. Girls that screen are tops in my book but they also need a P411 account no matter how many reviews they have.
My half a cent.
) and P411 to screen the provider. Its kind of a mixed bag process but it works for me. As far as I am concerned every reviewer and prospective provider is LE until I have done my own screening. Girls that screen are tops in my book but they also need a P411 account no matter how many reviews they have.My half a cent.
- ezman
- 02-06-2010, 10:03 AM
- ezman
- 02-06-2010, 10:08 AM
And Karma:
While I stand up for the rights of providers to screen as they see fit, and the rights of hobbyists to be screened or not be screened as they see fit, I DO NOT stand up for the right of anyone to make malicious accusations against someone publicly without presenting proof.
While I stand up for the rights of providers to screen as they see fit, and the rights of hobbyists to be screened or not be screened as they see fit, I DO NOT stand up for the right of anyone to make malicious accusations against someone publicly without presenting proof.
- MarleyMonroe
- 02-06-2010, 10:11 AM
I agree, i am getting a lot of those as well. I have no problem responding asking for them but if they are in the initial email, we are that much closer to meeting. Also i love when guys provide any info that might make it easy for the girls to remember them.
- dookiexp
- 02-06-2010, 10:13 AM
I agree with Ezman, Either prove what you say with actual facts or say nothing at all.
It was totally uncalled for and does Karma no favors. Whispers is 100% right to be annoyed, anyone would be including you if someone said something totally against you while providing no facts.
It was totally uncalled for and does Karma no favors. Whispers is 100% right to be annoyed, anyone would be including you if someone said something totally against you while providing no facts.
- Whispers
- 02-06-2010, 10:46 AM
People that steal other people's identities should be banned.
People that falsely accuse others should be banned.
The community should not tolerate either.
KARMA is a Prime Example of the kind of issues a guy should be concerned with. When things are not going her way and she gets flustered she fabricates a lie and seeks to place another in a poor light.
By all means guys... Feel free to provide your personal information to these ladies if you have nothing to loose......
Keep in mind when you do that some lack the maturity and other's the stability to protect that information...
Other's have S/O's or BF's that will go through their computers, phones, paperwork etc in order to find information.....
Not all of them are honest about what they do to other's in their lives.....
You often have to fear what that person is up to more than the provider themself.....
But in Karma's case.... I would simply be concerned with her......
People that falsely accuse others should be banned.
The community should not tolerate either.
KARMA is a Prime Example of the kind of issues a guy should be concerned with. When things are not going her way and she gets flustered she fabricates a lie and seeks to place another in a poor light.
By all means guys... Feel free to provide your personal information to these ladies if you have nothing to loose......
Keep in mind when you do that some lack the maturity and other's the stability to protect that information...
Other's have S/O's or BF's that will go through their computers, phones, paperwork etc in order to find information.....
Not all of them are honest about what they do to other's in their lives.....
You often have to fear what that person is up to more than the provider themself.....
But in Karma's case.... I would simply be concerned with her......
- Simply Alisha
- 02-06-2010, 02:41 PM
- Risn2TheOccasion
- 02-06-2010, 08:18 PM
Sad. I tried to present my point in a civil manner. I was not insulting. Yet I was accused of misquoting and taking words out of context just because I used a common four word phrase. Sad to see some people be so angry.