I was thinking about joining p411 Once. But when I called they asked for the name and telephone number of my employer. I wasn't willing to give that info. Originally Posted by jimmy simpsonThe funny thing is they're the one place that multiple guys here can attest to that actually do not save any of the information.
To avoid having my plates photographed, I ride my bicycle to in calls...Sound advice. I've been careless where I leave my car because those license plates are pretty much the same as a photo ID. Time to step up my covert operations.
Seriously folks:Originally Posted by yourself
- never completely trust anyone, even P411
- never pay for anything hobby related using electronic transactions.
- never park where the provider tells you.
- Park a block away and walk there.
- never use a cellphone registered in your own name
- never carry ID to the in call.
- and never wear laundered shirts with your name ironed onto the inside placket.
So the Pro/Con P411 debate is often redundant talking points about convenience, privacy, and efficiency. I think it's time to inject a couple new considerations:I've hobby'd in other major cities without P411 and experience pretty much the same results as here... No problems. You all need to understand that there are a LOT of ladies providing services that are NOT on P411. It only "works" for people mutually on P411. It's just not for me and nobody's had an argument on here yet to convince me that it should be...
(1) Have you tried hobbying outside Texas or anywhere beyond ECCIE's sphere of influence? You could be the big fish in this pond but end up as a guppie elsewhere. Again, P411 isn't a necessity but it makes traveling within the US so much easier. Maybe you can leverage your hobby reputation. Maybe you can talk your way into an incall elsewhere. But at some point, don't you get tired of that routine?
(2) Have you considered how much "administrative" duties P411 relieves the ladies? I've never submitted references or asked somebody to provide one (other than requesting a P411 ok). I can't imagine how annoying it is to constantly provide referrals and references. I can't imagine how cumbersome it is to deal with other providers and wait around for a a peer-reviewed background check. How awkward is it to ask someone you met 6 months ago for permission to see someone else. At some point, P411 just becomes professional courtesy in acknowledging somebody else's time. Originally Posted by omakase
This was a heavy motivator for me. I was incredibly grateful to the ladies who saw me in the early days, and quite frankly, it felt like a burden to continually be asking for references. Couple that with the fact that I was asking them to recall some average guy that they had met once, months ago. In my personal business, if I meet an average client once and then don't hear from them for months, I am not likely to remember them in great detail. And truly the last thing I want to do is spend time referring them to a competitor, that would be low on my priority list. Figure it must be similar here, and given the number of posts regarding difficulty in getting references from the ladies, I'd say this is true.
(2) Have you considered how much "administrative" duties P411 relieves the ladies? I've never submitted references or asked somebody to provide one (other than requesting a P411 ok). I can't imagine how annoying it is to constantly provide referrals and references. I can't imagine how cumbersome it is to deal with other providers and wait around for a a peer-reviewed background check. How awkward is it to ask someone you met 6 months ago for permission to see someone else. At some point, P411 just becomes professional courtesy in acknowledging somebody else's time. Originally Posted by omakase
I've hobby'd in other major cities without P411 and experience pretty much the same results as here... No problems. You all need to understand that there are a LOT of ladies providing services that are NOT on P411. It only "works" for people mutually on P411. It's just not for me and nobody's had an argument on here yet to convince me that it should be... Originally Posted by LickHerYes, everybody knows by now that P411 is not for you. We all get that. Attempts to convince you otherwise are exercises in futility. Then again, its not about you. It's about whether its right for hobbyists referred to by OP.
I've hobby'd in other major cities without P411 and experience pretty much the same results as here... No problems. You all need to understand that there are a LOT of ladies providing services that are NOT on P411. It only "works" for people mutually on P411. It's just not for me and nobody's had an argument on here yet to convince me that it should be... Originally Posted by LickHer
