Providers that basically don't screen

Same here. Many people fail to understand that there is difference between backpage GIRL and backpage ADVERTISER.

Lina Originally Posted by Sensual Lina

Heyyy I said that earlier http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=1321019&postcount=9. Very big difference. I didn't mean to offend anyone with my comments.

Okay, I know all of the ladies have heard from at least one guy like this, but I had to laugh and shake my head at how some men PERSIST in being completely mentally retarded when it comes to following directions about references. I just received the final straw in dealing with this one user here and for your viewing pleasure I wanted to show you the correspondence (name altered to protect the stupid):




Originally Posted by jeff_the_reference_retarded
Hey i just wanted to see if you were going to make it to amarillo. please let me know. thanks

Originally Posted by SugarBeth
Yes. It looks like I'll have enough in Oklahoma to keep me occupied this weekend, and then I'll be spending the first half of next week in Amarillo.

Sincerely,
SugarBeth


Originally Posted by jeff_the_reference_retarded
ok, great i would love to see you while you are here. please let me know when you get here so i can book an appointment. thanks

Originally Posted by SugarBeth
Actually, you're going to need
to send me your references before I get to Amarillo so I can run them. Otherwise, I highly suggest you join P411, and while I'll still need references with P411, I'll need slightly less

Bye!
SugarBeth


Originally Posted by jeff_the_reference_retarded
I dont have any references. I have seen some girls in Vegas, oklahoma City, and a few others when i travel but never in my own hometown. The quality of women that come to amarillo are usually not that great so when i saw that you were coming and you look like the type of woman that i like to see, i contacted you. i dont have a problem join p411 but if not having other references is a problem please let me know before i waste my money on joining. Thanks


Originally Posted by SugarBeth
Hi there,
Well, for one thing-- it wouldn't be a waste for you to join because of the women that are on it. Aside from whether or not we meet, it's fairly easy to find newbie-friendly women to schedule with. In terms of myself, I require three vouches from providers when you're not on P411-- you can do a few things:
1. send me the email, website, and name of the providers you saw, plus location. I might be able to find them on P411.
2. If they're on eccie, send me their showcases.

If you're on P411, I only need two references. The worst case scenario is that you take a look around to see what women are on P411 on Eccie and TER, and decide for yourself if you want to do P411. It's less expensive than Eros, though that's also a potential route for you in the hobby. Plus, if for some reason we can't schedule, I'll be back in a month or two and I have no doubt you'll have gotten some vouches in the meantime

Sincerely,
SugarBeth

Originally Posted by jeff_the_reference_retarded (sent several days later, mind you)
Anyway i can see you in 1 hour?


Originally Posted by SugarBeth
You’re the type of guy we providers are complaining about in the reference thread.
Do not contact me again.
-SB

I used to not screen when I worked BP. I was young and dumb, but thank God I never ran into LE and freaks. Now, I've found eccie, screening is still new to me, but it sure does give me and my client a sense of security. You can never be too safe.

Personally, I think she handled it beautifully (we all have different view points) and find the ol' "rub it in her face" tactic very distasteful. But that's just me.

Always,
Gina Originally Posted by GinaXXX

+1

So ladies that don't answer reference checks....

What if you saw a guy and he was a little pushy. Come two months later he decided to see a another lady. The night before their date she writes you asking you for a reference but you don't answer. Another lady answers her reference request with just "Yeah he's ok." and that's it. During the date he rapes the girl. Wouldn't you feel a bit guilty? I know I would.

There are soo many hobbyists out there and soo many ways to generate business. I wasn't afraid of losing one or even two clients. If a guy was a little pushy with me, I would tell the lady that asked for a reference check. If he tried to negotiate my rate during the date.. I would tell the lady that asked for a reference check. I don't understand why a lady wouldn't help keep help another lady out/ keep another lady safe. I just don't get that.

Honestly.. I would think she's just spiteful or maybe she's jealous and nothing more. I would never put a hobbyist before another lady when it comes to safety. Men are bigger and stronger than us and can cause a lot more harm than we can. Originally Posted by Naomi4u

Doesn't work for me. I want more pertinent information.

I also fill ladies in on any extra details that I feel that they should know when asking for a reference in addition to the basics, description, timeliness, donation issues, hygiene and personality.

Being helpful isn't hard and I appreciate all the ladies that do reply promptly with information as I do the same for them. I also appreciate the fellows who actually READ my website and follow directions. It makes taking care of that part go by much more swiftly so we can get to the fun stuffs!

Why some providers don't give references, there are givers and there are takers. True in all aspects of life.

I do not want to see a lady that does not screen because of LE. Not just the fact she has a higher chance of being busted, but more so, if something happens to her I don't want my name, phone number, etc being found among her records. I have no desire to be in a position to be cleared and taken off a suspect list when they start digging into her life. I try to avoid trouble except when trouble finds me.

Damn good point about the "givers" and "takers" in this industry. For providers that don't give references.. I've seen some of you talk about asking for references... isn't that a bit selfish?

What's wrong with these providers who don't screen? Whatever...it's their lives.
I ran into a few men who didn't like to be screen. They sent me a one-liner email saying: "Are you available today?" (($&#*)&%)#*%&%&......this is my biggest pet peeve!!!!)
I emailed back saying "Hi there...I'm sorry...have we met before? Do I know you? If we haven't met, I dislike a one-liner email like that with no proper introduction or references). I asked him to send me a pm from Eccie, write one paragraph of introduction, age, phone number, ethnictiy, references, and to set up appt in the next few days since I need time to screen. He said "I'll go somewhere else."
I wrote back: "PERFECT!" :-)
It doesn't make any sense whatsoever! What would a man want to see a provider who doesn't screen??? Originally Posted by samantha thom

I just delete those! If they can't bother to introduce themselves, then I can't be bothered to respond.

Screening: can be tricky. One guy is nice to one lady, then he's a monster to another. You really never know. The bottom line is, this is a risky business. You do what you can to minimize the risks, but you will never 100% eliminate ALL and every risk. Just like any profession. Take for example aspestos workers. They wear masks to try to eliminate lung infections, but some still come down with infections. In this hobby, you try to avoid the bad clients. It's a gamble/risk like many other jobs.

One of my bigger concerns with screening is, I worry about true weirdos getting smarter in this biz. I feel if a man wants to hurt you he will. He might be a nice little boy for a few providers, just to get their OK's but then like a hunter move onto his prey. So thats the big flaw in screening. It's never 100%

I think alot of the girls do not even know what screening is. I know when I first started, I had no clue what screening was. I remember the first time I heard of screening. A client kept thanking me for being so sweet and coming to see him with all the "silly screening info". I asked him what screening was, he explained it. Once I got into p411 and eccie, I sure do screen now. But more thank likely alot of the girls who do not screen...know what screening is...just don't care to take the time out to do it. To each their own I suppose.

+1 Originally Posted by RickForFun

Thanks, you three

So, OP, has your resolved strengthen since you've read this outpouring of various, yet still strong, support for screening?

Damn good point about the "givers" and "takers" in this industry. For providers that don't give references.. I've seen some of you talk about asking for references... isn't that a bit selfish? Originally Posted by Naomi4u

for what it's worth, I wanted to chime in in case my earlier comment was miscontrued-- I've yet to be asked for a reference. I will happily give them, and for the most part have been happy with the women who've responded with their own two cents.

I don't know if any provider who doesn't give references but takes them is going to stand up and say "I don't give references" because I can't really conceive of a good reason not to.

One of my bigger concerns with screening is, I worry about true weirdos getting smarter in this biz. I feel if a man wants to hurt you he will. He might be a nice little boy for a few providers, just to get their OK's but then like a hunter move onto his prey. So thats the big flaw in screening. It's never 100% Originally Posted by incognito isis

...Also with the other way around. You never know what a provider might do with your personal information. It is plausible to think that a provider OR hobbyist could use your information for black mail. But eh, thats another topic.

So, OP, has your resolved strengthen since you've read this outpouring of various, yet still strong, support for screening? Originally Posted by SugarBeth

Yes. Thank you.

I do have some semblance of common sense...in fact, I have spidey sense, too. And it told me this was a bad situation that I should avoid, no matter how ridiculously cute this young lady was.

I'm old enough to know which head I should be thinking with, unless I'm already BCD. Then all bets are off, and I'm likely at the mercy of the lady I'm with.

I think alot of the girls do not even know what screening is. I know when I first started, I had no clue what screening was. I remember the first time I heard of screening. A client kept thanking me for being so sweet and coming to see him with all the "silly screening info". I asked him what screening was, he explained it. Once I got into p411 and eccie, I sure do screen now. But more thank likely alot of the girls who do not screen...know what screening is...just don't care to take the time out to do it. To each their own I suppose. Originally Posted by sexy_emily4u

I am reading this thread and my jaw is on the floor!! I am one of those new, stupid girls that is NOT screening! A client told me on IM this morning about a girl that got busted...her neighbors got suspicious and called LE and they did an investigation on her! I was spooked and came to read some of the message boards and I found this one. I feel like a total idiot for not knowing about screening and not doing it for the past year! I have never had any problems, so I figured I was fine...big DUH!

Well like Maya Angelou says: When you knew better, you did better.

I'm on P411 as well, but I have never taken the time to figure it out. I am now! I have received emails from men I have seen asking if I will be a reference for them, and I always say yes happily. But I have never received a request from a provider. I am going to change the way I do business TODAY! Eyes wide open!

I am reading this thread and my jaw is on the floor!! I am one of those new, stupid girls that is NOT screening! A client told me on IM this morning about a girl that got busted...her neighbors got suspicious and called LE and they did an investigation on her! I was spooked and came to read some of the message boards and I found this one. I feel like a total idiot for not knowing about screening and not doing it for the past year! I have never had any problems, so I figured I was fine...big DUH!

Well like Maya Angelou says: When you knew better, you did better.

I'm on P411 as well, but I have never taken the time to figure it out. I am now! I have received emails from men I have seen asking if I will be a reference for them, and I always say yes happily. But I have never received a request from a provider. I am going to change the way I do business TODAY! Eyes wide open! Originally Posted by Puffin

Sounds like this thread has helped at least one more provider stay safe, and as a result keep her clients safe. It's a start.

Well like Maya Angelou says: When you knew better, you did better.

I'm on P411 as well, but I have never taken the time to figure it out. I am now! I have received emails from men I have seen asking if I will be a reference for them, and I always say yes happily. But I have never received a request from a provider. I am going to change the way I do business TODAY! Eyes wide open! Originally Posted by Puffin

It is OK to make mistakes when you did not know any better, the point is you know now, you are learning, and now you will do it the right way and stay safe. I for one is very happy you have come to a new stage in the hobby, and I am sure you will do much better for it!