Please list/mention Obama's Accomplishments

shopping malls were clearing out long before Obama came around. that was a business model that worked, for awhile then started to die. Amazon is more to blame than obama on that one bud.

America is suffering, shopping malls empty, unemployment up, loans very hard, foreclosures increasing, premiums on insurance up, energy costs soaring, the list goes on. If I had the answers I would run for office, but I am not, I am simply a concerned US citizen watching this country suffer. That is why we elect leaders. That is why I started this thread, to give those who support Obama an opportunity to list what he has done, my initial post was very fair and unbiased and did not mention one thing negative about Obama.. Originally Posted by KosherCowboy

So now we're getting somewhere. These are the blanket statements I keep talking about. How can you make an informed voting decision without having any understanding of the cause of these issues or what it might take to fix them? I could pick through each and every one of these items in detail, provide you my thoughts as to what the cause of these problems are, and some possible solutions to fix them. Can you?

We as a nation are never going to break the cycle of politicians driving over us with a bus until we as a nation become more educated and more informed. All you know is you are "simply a concerned US citizen watching this country suffer". That is not enough friend, and in my eyes, you are part of the problem. The few of us that do know what the problems are and have an idea on how to fix them are being out-voted by the many uninformed and under-educated who don't have a clue. Do you consider yourself part of the former or part of the latter?

So what exactly is the point of this thread? Are you sitting on the fence hoping for some more information to base your next voting decision on? Seems to me that instead of asking the tough questions like "Why are foreclosures up, and what possible solutions are there to solve it and what do I expect my government to be doing about it?", you've already made up your mind and decided that you might as well blame everything on Obama by default. It just doesn't work that way Kosher. People did the same thing in 2010 and look where the Tea Party has gotten us...on the verge of true default for the first time in history facing BILLIONS in tax hikes due to higher interest, nothing even close to something resembling a jobs bill, and not even close to a solution to solving our National debt dilhema. Those problems sit squarely in the laps of Congress Kosher, not Obama. The president is only one of three branches of government, and it isn't the Legislative branch.

Oh fuck it, I'm tired of explaining shit to people. Carry on.

Oh fuck it, I'm tired of explaining shit to people. Carry on. Originally Posted by F-Sharp

Not nearly as tired as most are from hearing your condesending attitude and liberal biased bullshit.

F-Sharp,

You are the best at presenting links to present your opinions, I admit I can't find the answers, I admit I am not sure what the solutions are and that is why I will go to the polls next year to vote for who I think can lead this country based on their ideas.

You do have a point it is easy to blame the President w/o giving a solution, that is why we have leaders. At the same team leadership is held responsible when ' they are on the clock' and the clock has been ticking for 3 years now.

Obama is the head coach and his team is losing. Or do you think the USA is ' winning' now and moving in the right directions. If so, in what ways. That is what this thread is about, what our ' head coach' has done to put us ahead...

and u shouldn't take it so personally if the rest of us aren't as intelligent, intellectual and full of solutions like yourself.

Not nearly as tired as most are from hearing your condesending attitude and liberal biased bullshit. Originally Posted by Budman

Get back to me when you're capable of forming even one single thought that has any basis in fact, biased or otherwise. It makes me happy that you make such and effort to insult and ridicule instead of making even the slightest effort to challenge my posts. I seriously take it as a compliment and thanks again for helping make my point.

Obama is the head coach and his team is losing. Or do you think the USA is ' winning' now and moving in the right directions. If so, in what ways. That is what this thread is about, what our ' head coach' has done to put us ahead... Originally Posted by KosherCowboy

To use your sports analogy: the head coach is being sidelined by the owners and fans. He seems to have all the right ideas, but he's too much of a pussy to get them implemented on his own, and not a good enough communicator to make the owners or fans understand what the problems or solutions are. If he would only get his Ross Perot on with some charts and graph...

I think the head coach is pehaps counting on making his biggest moves next season when some of the competiton are out on sick leave or get traded.



If I had my way between Obama and another socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate with some cajones' I would probably vote against him. If it's between Obama and the tin-foil-hatted half-wits currently running on the GOP ticket next year, he'll definitely get my vote. That's more of a chaste against the GOP candidates in an effort to keep any one of them out of office though. The GOP wont be getting any votes from me until they rid themselves of these math-challenged, morally bankrupt Tea Party fanatics. Gotta love the irony though...it will ultimately be the party of tea who's responsible for getting Obama re-elected next year.

.it will ultimately be the party of tea who's responsible for getting Obama re-elected next year. Originally Posted by F-Sharp

on that I think we can agree..

America is suffering, shopping malls empty, unemployment up, loans very hard, foreclosures increasing, premiums on insurance up, energy costs soaring, the list goes on. If I had the answers I would run for office, but I am not, I am simply a concerned US citizen watching this country suffer. That is why we elect leaders. That is why I started this thread, to give those who support Obama an opportunity to list what he has done, my initial post was very fair and unbiased and did not mention one thing negative about Obama.. Originally Posted by KosherCowboy

You do realize that this has been happening since 1980....That is when Ronald Reagan dropped the tax rates on the wealthiest Americans and made up that difference of lost tax revenue by raising taxes on things like gasoline.

That has resulted in a huge shit of wealth from the middle class to the top 1%. If you would like to read the Readers Digest version and actually learn something, I have provided a link below. Our nation is like a huge ship, they do not turn on a time and we have been headed in this direction every since Nixon decoupled us from the gold standard.

http://conservativesarecommunistss.b...-stockman.html


Stage 1. Nixon irresponsible, dumps gold, U.S starts spending binge

Richard Nixon's gold policies get Stockman's first assault, for defaulting "on American obligations under the 1944 Bretton Woods agreement to balance our accounts with the world." So for the past 40 years, America's been living "beyond our means as a nation" on "borrowed prosperity on an epic scale ... an outcome that Milton Friedman said could never happen when, in 1971, he persuaded President Nixon to unleash on the world paper dollars no longer redeemable in gold or other fixed monetary reserves."

Remember Friedman: "Just let the free market set currency exchange rates, he said, and trade deficits will self-correct." Friedman was wrong by trillions. And unfortunately "once relieved of the discipline of defending a fixed value for their currencies, politicians the world over were free to cheapen their money and disregard their neighbors."

And without discipline America was also encouraging "global monetary chaos as foreign central banks run their own printing presses at ever faster speeds to sop up the tidal wave of dollars coming from the Federal Reserve." Yes, the road to the coming apocalypse began with a Republican president listening to a misguided Nobel economist's advice.

Stage 2. Crushing debts from domestic excesses, war mongering

Stockman says "the second unhappy change in the American economy has been the extraordinary growth of our public debt. In 1970 it was just 40% of gross domestic product, or about $425 billion. When it reaches $18 trillion, it will be 40 times greater than in 1970." Who's to blame? Not big-spending Dems, says Stockman, but "from the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."

Back "in 1981, traditional Republicans supported tax cuts," but Stockman makes clear, they had to be "matched by spending cuts, to offset the way inflation was pushing many taxpayers into higher brackets and to spur investment. The Reagan administration's hastily prepared fiscal blueprint, however, was no match for the primordial forces -- the welfare state and the warfare state -- that drive the federal spending machine."

OK, stop a minute. As you absorb Stockman's indictment of how his Republican party has "destroyed the U.S. economy," you're probably asking yourself why anyone should believe a traitor to the Reagan legacy. I believe party affiliation is irrelevant here. This is a crucial subject that must be explored because it further exposes a dangerous historical trend where politics is so partisan it's having huge negative consequences.

Yes, the GOP does have a welfare-warfare state: Stockman says "the neocons were pushing the military budget skyward. And the Republicans on Capitol Hill who were supposed to cut spending, exempted from the knife most of the domestic budget -- entitlements, farm subsidies, education, water projects. But in the end it was a new cadre of ideological tax-cutters who killed the Republicans' fiscal religion."

When Fed chief Paul Volcker "crushed inflation" in the '80s we got a "solid economic rebound." But then "the new tax-cutters not only claimed victory for their supply-side strategy but hooked Republicans for good on the delusion that the economy will outgrow the deficit if plied with enough tax cuts." By 2009, they "reduced federal revenues to 15% of gross domestic product," lowest since the 1940s. Still today they're irrationally demanding an extension of those "unaffordable Bush tax cuts [that] would amount to a bankruptcy filing."

Recently Bush made matters far worse by "rarely vetoing a budget bill and engaging in two unfinanced foreign military adventures." Bush also gave in "on domestic spending cuts, signing into law $420 billion in nondefense appropriations, a 65% percent gain from the $260 billion he had inherited eight years earlier. Republicans thus joined the Democrats in a shameless embrace of a free-lunch fiscal policy." Takes two to tango.

Stage 3. Wall Street's deadly 'vast, unproductive expansion'

Stockman continues pounding away: "The third ominous change in the American economy has been the vast, unproductive expansion of our financial sector." He warns that "Republicans have been oblivious to the grave danger of flooding financial markets with freely printed money and, at the same time, removing traditional restrictions on leverage and speculation." Wrong, not oblivious. Self-interested Republican loyalists like Paulson, Bernanke and Geithner knew exactly what they were doing.

They wanted the economy, markets and the government to be under the absolute control of Wall Street's too-greedy-to-fail banks. They conned Congress and the Fed into bailing out an estimated $23.7 trillion debt. Worse, they have since destroyed meaningful financial reforms. So Wall Street is now back to business as usual blowing another bigger bubble/bust cycle that will culminate in the coming "American Apocalypse."

Stockman refers to Wall Street's surviving banks as "wards of the state." Wrong, the opposite is true. Wall Street now controls Washington, and its "unproductive" trading is "extracting billions from the economy with a lot of pointless speculation in stocks, bonds, commodities and derivatives." Wall Street banks like Goldman were virtually bankrupt, would have never survived without government-guaranteed deposits and "virtually free money from the Fed's discount window to cover their bad bets."

Stage 4. New American Revolution class-warfare coming soon

Finally, thanks to Republican policies that let us "live beyond our means for decades by borrowing heavily from abroad, we have steadily sent jobs and production offshore," while at home "high-value jobs in goods production ... trade, transportation, information technology and the professions shrunk by 12% to 68 million from 77 million."

As the apocalypse draws near, Stockman sees a class-rebellion, a new revolution, a war against greed and the wealthy. Soon. The trigger will be the growing gap between economic classes: No wonder "that during the last bubble (from 2002 to 2006) the top 1% of Americans -- paid mainly from the Wall Street casino -- received two-thirds of the gain in national income, while the bottom 90% -- mainly dependent on Main Street's shrinking economy -- got only 12%. This growing wealth gap is not the market's fault. It's the decaying fruit of bad economic policy."

Getting back to the original topic of Obama's accomplishments, only one comes to my mind. He has proven the old axiom to be true. Anyone truly can grow up to be President in this country.

No matter how unqualified or incompetent the clueless boob may be.

gfe

No matter how unqualified or incompetent the clueless boob may be.

gfe Originally Posted by gfejunkie

You are correct. I am still amazed America elected George W. Bush to be President!

For both sides here that continue to idolize Obama or blame him, I would encourage you to watch "Inside Job". It lays out in layman's terms what led our country to this current economic crisis. Trust me, it is easy to see that there is plenty of blame to go around both sides.
http://www.sonyclassics.com/insidejob/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_%28film%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis

F-Sharp, I've noticed that you constantly ask respondents here to provide "facts" or links to prove their point.
Can you tell me where in today's world you can get unbiased facts?
I certainly don't know many places. Every news service you listed has it's own agenda. From CNN to FOX, it simply doesn't matter, the truth is usually the first casualty in today's world of sensationalism. We're living at a time where scripted and heavily edited shows are referred to as "Reality TV" when reality is the furthest thing they're away from. Columbia economics professors that are being quoted and believed to speak unbiasedly are shown to be in bed with Goldman Sachs and other dirty institutions that led us to where we are.
For every "author" that puts forth a book, there's a counter-book already in the works showing why the first author didn't know what he was talking about.
Pick up the Austin-American statesman and you'll often find more errors in their "reporting" than facts.
So the truth is, we can't trust the major news corporations, many times we can't trust the printed news and the internet is CERTAINLY not exempt from bias.
So when people tout "facts" these days, my BS radar goes on over-drive because I have found the truth to be an elusive target these days.
What I tend to go by is my own personal experiences, observations and the rare occasions when someone does enough research to discredit BOTH sides and show what a complete circus Washington has become. The current "debt deal" is prime proof. Any grown adult should be able to look at it and see it for what it is. Just more of the same BS.

You are correct. I am still amazed America elected George W. Bush to be President! Originally Posted by bigtex

It appears someone else's incompetence is showing. Wrong thread, dude. We're discussing the current clueless boob infesting the White House.

For both sides here that continue to idolize Obama or blame him,...... Originally Posted by DTorrchia

The vast majority of people who voted for and continue to support Obama fall into neither of those categories.

It appears someone else's incompetence is showing. Wrong thread, dude. We're discussing the current clueless boob infesting the White House. Originally Posted by gfejunkie

I tried my best to get straight answers w/o mentioning several items, guess I failed

If possible, let's focus entirely on the current President and attempt to leave the following words or phrases out of replies.

* George Bush Originally Posted by KosherCowboy

F-Sharp, I've noticed that you constantly ask respondents here to provide "facts" or links to prove their point.
Can you tell me where in today's world you can get unbiased facts?
I certainly don't know many places. Every news service you listed has it's own agenda. From CNN to FOX, it simply doesn't matter, the truth is usually the first casualty in today's world of sensationalism. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

I usually go to the source whenever possible, and confirm with multiple sources if I can. One has to learn to read through the bias in any information. Also, just because something might be biased doesn't necessarily make it incorrect. I don't post things I can't verify with other sources, but I read ALOT and I am one of those nitpickity fuckers that likes details. I think this whole "biased" news thing originates from Fox. They've been caught with their pants down so many times they now have their tin-foil hat wearing audience believing the entire news media is involved in some liberal conspiracy. The sad reallity is that they're the only ones truly involved in a conspiracy.

There's a very good article here if you want to learn all about Fox News and how they operate. Is it "biased"? Most definitely. It is truthful, to my knowledge 120%:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ctory-20110525

I would say MSNBC is not far behind them, but hardly a conspiracy, with everyone else being fairly neutral and for the most part, reliable.