a subpoena for everyone!

... They have INFORMATION there, mate.

Whistleblower sworn testimony AND Bank Records.

And it wasn't simple - they were fought all the way in getting it.
Which is how it should be.

... IF the Bidens were just upfront about the money from Russia,
Ukraine, China, and all the other countrys - then maybe this
investigation doesn't happen.

... But too late NOW. ...

#### Salty

Once again, you've offered no proof, no evidence, no citation, yet continue to spew this baseless misinformation.

To nobody's surprise, I might add.

Please share your source of this INFORMATION with us. (LOLLING)

I find it hard to believe one person can be so incorrect in everything he writes on this forum. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

If you be tawkin 'bout me, I'm not sure how to respond.

I mean, I've got almost 18,000 posts on eccie. Are you saying they're ALL incorrect? You don't agree with a single one?

How about this one, speedy:

THE EARTH IS ROUND.

Still think I'm "incorrect" 100% of the time???

Ah salty... the OP was asking about reaction to donny's side getting handed one. Originally Posted by Precious_b

Ahhh Precious... we already addressed the OP's question. Go back and read my post #6. Over 100 witnesses on "Donny's side" were subpoenaed by the Jan. 6 Committee, remember? Among those who testified were Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka.

Only a handful refused. At least two of them (Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro) were jailed for contempt of Congress.

So the question for you and eyecu2 is: Should Biden family members be jailed too, if they refuse to testify?

I mean, it's important to be consistent, right? We don't want House subpoenas to have no credibility, do we?

According to IRS Whistleblower Gary Shapley in testimony to Congress this year, Hunter engaged in "textbook" tax evasion by declaring his income from Burisma as a loan. Shapley said he still had failed to report or pay tax on $400,000 of Burisma income:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-hun...-jail-9d114e5f

If any of us did that, we'd be going to the big house. Originally Posted by Tiny

Thanks, tiny.

Would you agree that tax evasion is "illegal"?

If so, could you kindly explain to speedy and YR that Gary Shapley's testimony is evidence of a crime?

Thanks in advance!

once again you need PROOF that Hunter Biden did anything illegal, and you have none... Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Once again, you've offered no proof, no evidence, no citation, yet continue to spew this baseless misinformation. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Once again, you've offered no proof, no evidence, no citation, yet continue to spew this baseless misinformation.

To nobody's surprise, I might add.

Please share your source of this INFORMATION with us. (LOLLING) Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

... Just who is it that you're addressing here??

#### Salty

... Just who is it that you're addressing here??

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Please reference the sources of you so-called proof and information.

You have yet to do so on any of the MAGA claims you've continually droned on about since 2020.

If you'd like people to give credence to your claims, please back them up with more than comical fake Aussie patois (which is mostly wrong any-ways.)

#### LOLLING!

Thanks, tiny.

Would you agree that tax evasion is "illegal"?

If so, could you kindly explain to speedy and YR that Gary Shapley's testimony is evidence of a crime?

Thanks in advance! Originally Posted by lustylad

Dear SpeedRacer and Yssup Rider,

I have to break the news that LustyLad is right. Please see excerpts from the WSJ,

Hunter Biden’s ‘Fair’ Tax Share

IRS agents reveal details of the son’s scheming that mock the President’s tax moralizing.

By
The Editorial Board

June 25, 2023 (back when the DOJ was going to let Hunter off tax charges with a slap on the wrist)

....Hunter agreed to plead guilty last week to two misdemeanor charges of “willful failure” to pay some $200,000 in tax for years 2017 and 2018. But the two whistleblowers, testifying under oath before the House Ways and Means Committee, revealed details of Hunter’s tax maneuvering that make a mockery of his father’s tax moralizing.

The agents reported that an IRS team in January 2022 finalized a document of some 80 pages recommending that Hunter be charged with tax violations for each of his six tax returns from 2014 through 2019.

IRS supervisory special agent Gary Shapley said Hunter’s 2014 and 2015 returns involved a “scheme to evade his income taxes through a partnership with a convicted felon.” At issue was the $83,000 a month Hunter received to sit on the board of Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company. The second (anonymous) whistleblower explained that in 2014 Hunter arranged a series of “sham” transactions so he “didn’t report any of the money he earned from Burisma”—about $400,000 in 2014.

The whistleblowers say Hunter directed Burisma to pay his money to Rosemont Seneca Bohai, or RSB, an entity owned by his business partner Devon Archer, who was convicted of fraud in 2018. They say RSB would send the money to Hunter, who then “booked it as a loan.” One obvious tax problem, explains the second whistleblower, is that “you can’t loan yourself your own money.”

Mr. Shapley says this loan ruse is a “textbook” evasion scheme, something “I learned at basic training.” When someone claims a payment is a loan for tax purposes, the IRS looks for three things: You’ve “got to have a promissory note, you got to have defined interest, and you got to have repayments,” Mr. Shapley says. In Hunter’s case, “none of those were included.” RSB also booked the payment as an “expense”—meaning that “even the two parties didn’t treat it the same way.” (Tiny's note: That means that RSB didn't have to pay tax on Hunter's director's fees, and neither did Hunter!)

The committee also released an email showing that another Hunter business partner, Eric Schwerin, told Hunter in 2017 that Hunter had “unreported Burisma income” and needed to “amend your 2014 returns.” Hunter ignored the warning and later that year ended his relationship with Mr. Schwerin.

The second whistleblower says 2014 records show RSB paid more than $10,000 in Hunter medical bills, and purchased a $142,000 Porsche for Hunter’s benefit via other money from a Kazakhstan businessman. The whistleblower says Hunter didn’t report this as income.

The IRS team recommended that Hunter be prosecuted on felony charges of tax evasion for 2014 and false tax filings and a misdemeanor charge for 2015 of failure to pay tax. Yet because the U.S. Attorney waited so long to make a prosecutorial decision, the six-year statute of limitations expired. Hunter thus won’t pay taxes on more than $400,000 in unreported income for these years. Mr. Shapley says: “The purposeful exclusion of the 2014 and 2015 years sanitized the most substantive criminal conduct and concealed material facts.”

Also notable are Hunter’s filings in 2018 and 2019, for which the IRS team also recommended felony charges of tax evasion and false returns. The second whistleblower testified that Hunter underreported his income for 2018 by anywhere from $267,000 to $500,000—depending on how conservatively the IRS counted. He did this, claims the whistleblower, by falsifying “business” deductions.

The whistleblower says this included deducting thousands paid to “no-show employees”—including “a prostitute” that Hunter claimed was a “West Coast assistant.” He deducted $10,000 for a “golf club member deposit,” money that IRS agents say “went to pay for a sex club.” He deducted $30,000 for a child’s Columbia University tuition. He also deducted a hotel room for who agents believed to be “one of his drug dealers,” hotel rooms for his girlfriend at the time, and two nights for “a hotel room for his dad, Joe Biden.”

The IRS agents say they also saw correspondence showing Hunter in that year attempting to describe income as a “loan”—though this time his accountants rejected the request. All told, the IRS team recommended that Hunter face felony charges for 2014, 2018 and 2019. They also recommended misdemeanor charges for “failure to file or pay” for five of the six years.

Democrats defend Hunter by saying that he ended up paying much of his back taxes prior to this plea deal, thanks to a $2 million loan from a Hollywood lawyer. But the second whistleblower explained the IRS view of after-the-fact efforts to get straight with tax authorities. He was asked during testimony: “If someone meets all the elements for a crime of willful evasion and are found to, in conjunction with that, owe a liability, and they pay off that liability years later when they’ve been caught, has a crime still been committed?”

The whistleblower’s response: “Yes.”

The next time President Biden says too many people don’t pay enough taxes, refer him to the moral authority of Hunter.

However gentlemen, you take solace knowing that Hunter Biden is a run of the mill tax cheat, drug addict and scammer, who didn't try to steal an election.

^^^ Thanks, Tiny!

I recall reading that jaw-dropping WSJ editorial last June. Pretty shocking stuff, even for Hunter. One of the things that particularly caught my eye:

He deducted $10,000 for a “golf club member deposit,” money that IRS agents say “went to pay for a sex club.” Originally Posted by Tiny

Poor Hunter! Why wasn't he smart enough to join a hybrid golf + sex club? Then he could've banged all those hos on the 19th hole, and the IRS wouldn't be able to challenge the deduction.


Another interesting tidbit:

When someone claims a payment is a loan for tax purposes, the IRS looks for three things: You’ve “got to have a promissory note, you got to have defined interest, and you got to have repayments,” Mr. Shapley says. In Hunter’s case, “none of those were included.” Originally Posted by Tiny

Uh-oh! Does that mean speedy's "all in the family" excuse won't pass muster with the IRS? Sure looks like it!


Also illuminating:

Democrats defend Hunter by saying that he ended up paying much of his back taxes prior to this plea deal, thanks to a $2 million loan from a Hollywood lawyer. Originally Posted by Tiny

Oh, so now we know it was his LAWYER who put up all the money! Tell me more, please.

Most of the lawyers I know try to suck your wallet dry. This one does precisely the opposite - he dispenses millions of dollars to bail out his clients. How does he do it? Why does he do it? He must be the most popular attorney in Hollywood!

Most of the lawyers I know try to suck your wallet dry. This one does precisely the opposite - he dispenses millions of dollars to bail out his clients. How does he do it? Why does he do it? He must be the most popular attorney in Hollywood! Originally Posted by lustylad

Hmm, the old "lawyers dispensing money" trick. The possible $240,000 loan repayments from James Biden to Joe Biden that you highlighted in this thread also involve an attorney, Melvyn Monzack, and his Wilmington, Delaware law firm. The theory proposed by CNN and others is that Melvyn wrote checks or sent wires for $200,000 and $40,000 to James from the firm's trust account that represented funds beneficially owned by Joe Biden. And James was repaying those loans. Or something like that. The explanation is kind of garbled.

Melvyn Monzack's law firm was also involved in some kind of possibly shady business involving Joe and James Biden and a bank that went bankrupt back in 1976 when Joe was a Senator.

I'm too lazy to try to figure all this out. It's not nearly as interesting as trolling the internet for info about Ukrainian oligarchs. But here are a couple of links.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/31/polit...her/index.html

https://www.politico.eu/article/joe-...ory-democrats/

Anyway if this were all innocent and if I were Joe Biden, I'd go through my bookkeeping and provide the evidence to show that I had indeed loaned $240,000 to my brother. It's curious that he hasn't done that yet. I'm not saying he's necessarily covering something up. He could just be lazy. I imagine when you're 80 years old jumping through hoops like that is a chore.

Please reference the sources of you so-called proof and information.

You have yet to do so on any of the MAGA claims you've continually droned on about since 2020.

If you'd like people to give credence to your claims, please back them up with more than comical fake Aussie patois (which is mostly wrong any-ways.)

#### LOLLING! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

... Tiny's recent post there would show some of
the "proof" that you seek... And have YOU not read-up
on what James Comer and the House Oversight Committee
has surely revealed?

They are showing their evidence every odd-day!

Now are you here to discuss things or just do insults??

#### Salty

It’s not proof of anything. As usual it’s just innuendo and assumptions.

It’s not proof of anything. As usual it’s just innuendo and assumptions. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

But at least someone is insulted by the notion…

No proof. No evidence. Nothing but spin.

It’s not proof of anything. As usual it’s just innuendo and assumptions. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Sounds a LOT like that whole Russia collusion story that the press talked about nonstop for four years... I wonder why they aren't interested in this story?

Sounds a LOT like that whole Russia collusion story that the press talked about nonstop for four years... I wonder why they aren't interested in this story? Originally Posted by texassapper

Do you mean the one that had like 14 indictments of foreign nationals and 3 ppl domestically who pled guilty ? That collusion story that had to result in ppl getting a presidential pardon, (which doesn't eliminate guilt, it just says you get a pass), and where millions more dollars were recovered than spent?


Was that the Hoax you were talking about?

As far as Hoaxes go, that one has been pretty good the government coffers.

And lastly,-we could offer a handsome thank you to Eric Trump who was one of many to suggest looking at Russia. " We get a lot of our financing and deals from Russia".

What a great guy that Eric is?!!

Was the Hoax real? Does Hunter like Porn? Is DJT, the most indicted ex-president EVER?

You can answer all the questions with the same word.....>YES


See Lusty, NOT 3 paragraphs either.