Still not safe, still not effective.

Ridiculous. All you have to do is look at statistics for Covid vaccinated people versus unvaccinated people regarding hospitalizations and death rates. The various vaccines are effective. I can cite thousands of articles from reliable sources as to the effectiveness of the vaccines and you would be hard pressed to find a single article refuting it -- FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

There are thousands of articles regarding both. The bottom line is Drugs and vaccines aren't the ultimate solution to ward off and treat viral infections. The fact is drugs and vaccines must be developed to maintain the Pharmaceutical industry so the initial pitch will always be that they are effective and safe.

Ridiculous. All you have to do is look at statistics for Covid vaccinated people versus unvaccinated people regarding hospitalizations and death rates. The various vaccines are effective. I can cite thousands of articles from reliable sources as to the effectiveness of the vaccines and you would be hard pressed to find a single article refuting it -- FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

the FDA is NOT a reliable source


of who I know no shot never got or had it only once
the took the shot keep getting it

and of who I know and know of died or nearly took the shot and keep up to date on getting


just got my normal flu shot,, started ta ask if I also want ... I cut her off and said told her of who I know and know of. She was shhhh I'm not getting it my self ....


the way the C-19 shot was made I don't think has passed animal testing yet. WTF ... so others can take it till it is safe for rats & rabbits etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA_vaccine

the FDA is NOT a reliable source


of who I know no shot never got or had it only once
the took the shot keep getting it

and of who I know and know of died or nearly took the shot and keep up to date on getting


just got my normal flu shot,, started ta ask if I also want ... I cut her off and said told her of who I know and know of. She was shhhh I'm not getting it my self ....


the way the C-19 shot was made I don't think has passed animal testing yet. WTF ... so others can take it till it is safe for rats & rabbits etc. Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

I personally know of no mice or rabbits that got C-19, but the use of mRNA goes back to 1989 in animal trials. Rabies was the first mRNA vaccine developed, but deemed not worth the $$ to produce due to low rates of infection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA_vaccine


Originally Posted by 69in2it69

all info in that from FDA and maker/s of. Says nothing if it ever past testing or not. So takers of are human lab rats. FDA did have a page saying that it never past testing. after election took it down and never said it did pass testing.,
I hope you like being a lab rat


BTW Still } "(FDA) issued an emergency use authorization" WHY ????

I personally know of no mice or rabbits that got C-19, but the use of mRNA goes back to 1989 in animal trials. Rabies was the first mRNA vaccine developed, but deemed not worth the $$ to produce due to low rates of infection. Originally Posted by 69in2it69

How many people can really say they do?

There are thousands of articles regarding both. The bottom line is Drugs and vaccines aren't the ultimate solution to ward off and treat viral infections. The fact is drugs and vaccines must be developed to maintain the Pharmaceutical industry so the initial pitch will always be that they are effective and safe. Originally Posted by Levianon17

Cite an article from a reliable source that states the Covid vaccines are not effective in preventing hospitalizations and deaths.

I personally know of no mice or rabbits that got C-19, but the use of mRNA goes back to 1989 in animal trials. Rabies was the first mRNA vaccine developed, but deemed not worth the $$ to produce due to low rates of infection. Originally Posted by 69in2it69

The people who object to the various Covid vaccines are clueless. Absolutely no facts to support their claims. The vaccines are safe and effective and have prevented 100s of 1000s of deaths.

Cite an article from a reliable source that states the Covid vaccines are not effective in preventing hospitalizations and deaths. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

What's your definition of a reliable source?

What's your definition of a reliable source? Originally Posted by Levianon17

One that is unbiased and based on facts, not opinion.

What's your definition of a reliable source? Originally Posted by Levianon17

More importantly, what is your opinion of an unbiased source? You’ve got a ton of opinions based on sketchy sources and disinformation. Particularly on the subject of public health.

One that is unbiased and based on facts, not opinion. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

problem, taint one

More importantly, what is your opinion of an unbiased source? You’ve got a ton of opinions based on sketchy sources and disinformation. Particularly on the subject of public health. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

In order to confirm an illness is caused by a Pathogenic Virus or Bacteria that organism must be isolated and separated from any other contaminates. Once the suspected Pathogen is isolated and purified it must be shown to cause disease by exposing a healthy test subject either animal or human to it usually by injection. If the test subject becomes ill and displays signs of illness then the suspected pathogen must be found in the sputum, mucous, blood ect from the test subject and compared to the original purified sample. This process which is commonly known as "Koch Postulates" is typically done three times to confirm that a particular pathogen Virus or Bacteria will indeed cause a particular disease accompanied by a set of symptoms. I have read a number of articles simply stating that SarsCov2 had been isolated but nothing about the Scientific Methods used to confirm how it was isolated and how it was determined to cause disease. Although people are getting sick there is still too much controversy with regards to the origin, Hospital Protocol, prevention and treatment of this virus or whatever it is.

In order to confirm an illness is caused by a Pathogenic Virus or Bacteria that organism must be isolated and separated from any other contaminates. Once the suspected Pathogen is isolated and purified it must be shown to cause disease by exposing a healthy test subject either animal or human to it usually by injection. If the test subject becomes ill and displays signs of illness then the suspected pathogen must be found in the sputum, mucous, blood ect from the test subject and compared to the original purified sample. This process which is commonly known as "Koch Postulates" is typically done three times to confirm that a particular pathogen Virus or Bacteria will indeed cause a particular disease accompanied by a set of symptoms. I have read a number of articles simply stating that SarsCov2 had been isolated but nothing about the Scientific Methods used to confirm how it was isolated and how it was determined to cause disease. Although people are getting sick there is still too much controversy with regards to the origin, Hospital Protocol, prevention and treatment of this virus or whatever it is. Originally Posted by Levianon17

Starting Thursday night I started a cough which continued to get worse yesterday so I took a Covid test. POSITIVE!!! I have had 4 shots but there are no guarantees the vaccine will keep a person from getting Covid. I have no preexisting conditions that would put me in the "danger" category so I'll see the doctor on Monday to get his opinion on isolation. Maybe he'll prescribe ivermectin.

Starting Thursday night I started a cough which continued to get worse yesterday so I took a Covid test. POSITIVE!!! I have had 4 shots but there are no guarantees the vaccine will keep a person from getting Covid. I have no preexisting conditions that would put me in the "danger" category so I'll see the doctor on Monday to get his opinion on isolation. Maybe he'll prescribe ivermectin. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Ivermectin is an Anti Parasitic Drug that has been around for a long time. It's commonly used to treat things like Roundworms, Thread worms and other parasitic infections. I've never been to clear on the mechanism involved in it's treatment for Covid. They say it's effective so there maybe a connection. Definitely don't take it on your own like some people have.