Bar says Trump was spied on!

The FBI was not spying on Trump. The FBI monitors hostile counter-intelligence activities like Russia. When members of the Trump campaign met with Russian diplomats they became visible on the FBI radar. Had they not met with the Russians and/or reported the engagement accurately it would have been a nothing burger instead of chaos. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

why didn't the FBI inform Trump that he was being spied by the Russians?


why did NSA director Admiral Mike Rogers warn Trump that he was being surveilled by FBI 2 weeks after the election?


Rogers obviously thought there was something dodgy about that operation.

The FBI was not spying on Trump. The FBI monitors hostile counter-intelligence activities like Russia. When members of the Trump campaign met with Russian diplomats they became visible on the FBI radar. Had they not met with the Russians and/or reported the engagement accurately it would have been a nothing burger instead of chaos. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

The FISA warrants obtained by Comey, McCabe, etc., were for the purpose of SPYING on Team Trump. Documented fact!

Trump and members of his campaigned (sic) were not spied on. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

The FBI was not spying on Trump. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

Riiiight!

And Nixon's "plumbers" never tried to spy on the McGovern campaign either! They were just upgrading the phone system when they were discovered at the DNC headquarters in the Watergate on June 17, 1972!

By the way, whisky, have you told the Attorney General yet? He needs to be straightened out by someone with your superior knowledge and information! (dripping sarcasm alert!)

Hmmmm.... who should we believe? Barr or some noob on a hooker board?

Tough call!

On the other hand, foreign policy is the exclusive domain of a sitting President... Consequently, guarded and undisclosed contact with hostile foreign diplomats... could possibly rise to the level of treason. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

Have you told John Kerry yet?

Oh wait!! I forgot... your "rules" only apply to Republicans, right?

You are not only wrong when it comes to an incoming administration contacting foreign officials (something that is routine whenever the White House changes hands), but you are also hypocritical about what constitutes treason.

"...anyone who was outraged about Flynn’s activity, which was hardly unusual for a key member of an incoming administration, but remains silent about Kerry is not only hypocritical but winking at efforts to aid a hostile foreign power gain an advantage against an American government that is rightly concerned about its criminal behavior and intentions."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...eal-collusion/

Riiiight!

And Nixon's "plumbers" never tried to spy on the McGovern campaign either! They were just upgrading the phone system when they were discovered at the DNC headquarters in the Watergate on June 17, 1972!

By the way, whisky, have you told the Attorney General yet? He needs to be straightened out by someone with your superior knowledge and information! (dripping sarcasm alert!)

Hmmmm.... who should we believe? Barr or some noob on a hooker board?

Tough call!


Originally Posted by lustylad

It makes complete sense that we were watching the Russians during the campaign, and when that surveillance revealed Russian interactions with the Trump campaign there was concern. That's my take on this.

How can we forget that President Trump lied when asked about the meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower? How can any of us forget the President standing on Air Force One and looking straight at a camera and lying about that meeting? He tried to correct course several times over the next several days. The result was one lie after another. President Trump also lied about his business dealings with the Russians. He said he had none. That was a lie. President Trump met privately with Putin for over one hour. Not good behavior, when Russian rumors are flying about. Not good behavior under the best of circumstances. What about Trump Campaign manager Manafort working to change the GOP platform regarding Russian sanctions? What about President Trump saying he believed Putin, when Putin said Russia did nothing regarding disrupting information flow and election-related information? President Trump said he preferred the word of Putin to the word of our own security officials. Hmmm. I can understand being skeptical of our own security officials, but embracing Putin's word under those circumstances?

I do not trust Putin. Not for a single second. He is not a friend of our nation or of free enterprise or democracy. Deal with him as an adversary, not as a friend or as a business partner. It is naïve not to understand that Putin and Russia sought and seek to disrupt our democratic society by circulating rumors and lies in social media and other means. Putin is a deceitful, murderous, greedy fiend.

It makes complete sense that we were watching the Russians during the campaign, and when that surveillance revealed Russian interactions with the Trump campaign there was concern. That's my take on this.

How can we forget that President Trump lied when asked about the meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower? How can any of us forget the President standing on Air Force One and looking straight at a camera and lying about that meeting? He tried to correct course several times over the next several days. The result was one lie after another. President Trump also lied about his business dealings with the Russians. He said he had none. That was a lie. President Trump met privately with Putin for over one hour. Not good behavior, when Russian rumors are flying about. Not good behavior under the best of circumstances. What about Trump Campaign manager Manafort working to change the GOP platform regarding Russian sanctions? What about President Trump saying he believed Putin, when Putin said Russia did nothing regarding disrupting information flow and election-related information? President Trump said he preferred the word of Putin to the word of our own security officials. Hmmm. I can understand being skeptical of our own security officials, but embracing Putin's word under those circumstances?

I do not trust Putin. Not for a single second. He is not a friend of our nation or of free enterprise or democracy. Deal with him as an adversary, not as a friend or as a business partner. It is naïve not to understand that Putin and Russia sought and seek to disrupt our democratic society by circulating rumors and lies in social media and other means. Putin is a deceitful, murderous, greedy fiend. Originally Posted by agrarian

Your ilk continues to ignore that the Russian in the Tower meeting were associates of FusionGPS in the employ of hildebeest.

YOUR RUSSIANS WERE FIRST AND FOREMOST CLINTONITES seeking to entrap Team Trump!

Meanwhile, Adam Shiffty is on tape speaking with actual Russians trying to dig up dirt on Trump.

And they should, and leave their political opponents alone.

The SCOTUS opinions are full of cases opposing efforts to justify searches by LE based on fabricated facts and spurious claims whether a court order is issued or not .... if you desire to review some of them they will most likely be discovered using the search term ...

....... "pretextual" .........

What the following investigation will demonstrate is these LE frauds fabricated bullshit, floated it to the media, and then used the media reports based on "anonymous sources" that were protected by the alleged 1st amendment as a "pretext" to establish probable cause for the court to sign an order.

Now ... if they did that to your UTR p4p fuck ... you'd be all up in arms and indignant ... wouldn't you????

But since the LiberalSocialistAntiTrumpers don't like Trump, in THEIR weak minds it's "ok"! Originally Posted by LexusLover

Most host countries intelligence communities closely watch the Consulate and Diplomatic offices of foreign nations to prevent political, military and corporate espionage. We are always watching known Russian and Chinese counter-intelligence operatives in the US. I recommend you research the FISA court's duties and responsibilities which parallel the usually federal civil and criminal courts in matters of national security. Your context is wrong and not applicable. The context is more like Federal LE lawfully assessing suspicious activities by known spies when members of the 45's campaign get caught responding to the Russian invite to discuss undermining the General Election and later get caught lying about contact with the Russians on their security clearence applications and statements to the FBI. Again, foreign policy is the exclusive domain of a sitting President and since 45 had not yet assumed office there could be not no valid reasons for 45 or members of his campaign to meet with Russian diplomats and spies and then lie about it. But weak minded individuals seem not to care about the US Constitution, the rule of law, obstruction of justice and abuses of office let alone treason unless it conveniently supports their delusional far right political narrative.

“Based on what you’ve [Papadopoulos] told us, I’m trying to figure out why one of what has become the highest-profile investigations in U.S. history alleging collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government centered around you, a 28-year-old campaign adviser on the job for about a month who, to this day, has never been to Russia, and, to this day, has never knowingly met a member of the Russian government.” Rep. John Ratcliffe, Texas Republican.

What about Trump Campaign manager Manafort working to change the GOP platform regarding Russian sanctions? Originally Posted by agrarian

What about it? I've already quashed this false liberal talking point multiple times, yet people like you keep repeating it. Again. And again. And again.

You believe the phony talking points you are spoon-fed by the DNC because you are too lazy to fact-check them.

Here's what I posted 10 months ago. Read and learn!

Here are the FACTS regarding that 2016 GOP platform change on Ukraine. I'm sick and tired of seeing your falsehood repeated.

The final, Trump-approved passage read: "We support maintaining and, if warranted, increasing sanctions, together with our allies, against Russia unless and until Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity are fully restored. We also support providing appropriate assistance to the armed forces of Ukraine and greater coordination with NATO defense planning." That was the amendment the committee approved.

This language is significantly stronger than the comparable plank in the 2016 Dimotard platform, which said nothing about US sanctions or providing lethal aid to Ukraine's armed forces.

Here's the full story.... Read it and learn!

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...orm-and-russia

Of course, actions speak louder than words, right?

Are you even aware of the FACT that Trump has approved the actual sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine, including 210 Javelin anti-tank missiles? (Google it.) That's something odumbo declined to do. Sorry if it doesn't fit into your phony Trump-Putin collusion narrative. Originally Posted by lustylad

Again, foreign policy is the exclusive domain of a sitting President and since 45 had not yet assumed office there could be not no valid reasons for 45 or members of his campaign to meet with Russian diplomats... Originally Posted by Whisky_1

Again, you are dead wrong. I already refuted you on this point in my post #49 above. Officials of incoming administrations routinely meet with foreign diplomats in the weeks prior to inauguration.

Why do you repeat the same nonsense? Do you think saying it over and over again will somehow make it correct?

...when members of the 45's campaign get caught responding to the Russian invite to discuss undermining the General Election... Originally Posted by Whisky_1

Oh my! So now you're claiming that the act of seeking dirt on your opponent is somehow tantamount to "undermining the General Election"?

Then I guess you will agree that hildebeest was "undermining the General Election" when she colluded with ABC and NBC to release the Access Hollywood tape 3 weeks prior to November 8, 2016?

And how about hildebeest colluding with Ukrainians to disclose alleged payments to Paul Manafort that resulted in trump firing him as campaign manager in August 2016?

Was that "undermining the General Election"?

I do not trust Putin. Not for a single second. He is not a friend of our nation or of free enterprise or democracy. Deal with him as an adversary, not as a friend or as a business partner. It is naïve not to understand that Putin and Russia sought and seek to disrupt our democratic society by circulating rumors and lies in social media and other means. Putin is a deceitful, murderous, greedy fiend. Originally Posted by agrarian

Awww come on! Don't be such a hard-ass! You never know... you might have more flexibility after the election! Was odumbo being "naive"?

actually the Russians did but spying wasn't their aim, disruption of the election campaigns was their goal. what they did was disruptive. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

That is exactly what hostile counter-intelligence initiatives do with new information-disrupt! Judging by the posts in the political forum I would say the Russian initiative has reached fruition.

Oh my! So now you're claiming that the act of seeking dirt on your opponent is somehow tantamount to "undermining the General Election"?

Then I guess you will agree that hildebeest was "undermining the General Election" when she colluded with ABC and NBC to release the Access Hollywood tape 3 weeks prior to November 8, 2016?

And how about hildebeest colluding with Ukrainians to disclose alleged payments to Paul Manafort that resulted in trump firing him as campaign manager in August 2016?

Was that "undermining the General Election"? Originally Posted by lustylad

You ignore the obvious. Manaford is a incarcerated felon while Mrs Clinton is not. How about that!