P411 for providers UTR or blocking a member will cost you a fee

That makes no sense at all. P4 is paid-membership medium used to coordinate encounters between "verified" individuals. Yes, a real "cost of doing business". And the last time I checked, monthly rates went up to use the P4 platform for companions too.

Now, that's totally different than a provider raising her hourly rate to $600, $700, $1000 plus when they are not of that caliber IMO and likely don't get a lot of regulars from that. So if you are charging these high rates even with just a few encounters a week and complaining about having to pay an extra $50 every once in a while to block someone then no sympathy. For those charging the $300, $400, $500 rates and have a security issue that P4 won't waive then maybe a little sympathy.

My cost of doing business went up with the increase in membership rates, it didn't with the other. I just laugh at that.

If it's a real security issue, P4 will waive it. I promise. Originally Posted by TXSUN55000

If Gina were still at the helm, I'd believe that-- but things have gone downhill on our end since she sold the site. I do not have faith in the newer ownership doing the "right thing" if it doesn't profit them. I mean-- look at the steady increase in rates on your side of the fence... both sides are getting fleeced.

What other ladies charge has never been my business or concern, but I've always been more of a "value" provider than some. I've always been in that $200-$300 range... so yes-- I do watch my outflow of cash in order to make sure that it still makes sense to "do business".

Honestly-- these days I have a real world career that keeps me fairly busy. Most of these newer changes, if anything, are really making me evaluate whether or not I'll put on that little black dress anymore....

I would never or have I ask for points .. All I did was bring it for topic.
But keep carry on about it and bitching as you do. Originally Posted by LustyBustyGina38FF

Yes ma'am, you are the one who started this thread. It sucks when you try to honestly bring up a topic for discussion and certain members post in your thread to stymie your intentions (does Pacepro startup ring any bells?), especially when you give your own opinion, in this case, bitching about the matter to start off with, then bitching about the ones who do not agree with your opinion on an opinionated board.

As I have said before, the p411 customer service reps have access to all private messages on their system there. So if anyone is threatening or harassing you through the p411 private message system, I think that will be taken care of. But, since you display your email address on your signature line of every post you make, I am sure that is a far better way to screw with you. And you cannot come crying on the boards to get the board staff to save you. Besides, I do not think safety is a concern when you yourself basically post the same remarks or worse about others. Try to not stir the drama pot yourself first. All one has to do is check your post history. I am pretty sure you want to block people because you do not like them, not because you are threatened with your personal safety by them, there is a difference.

It is a shame that the guy who lives in your head more than anyone else (BLM69) cannot post on this thread since he is banned. He does not have p411 because I do not think he likes providers except for maybe streetwalkers, and there probably would not be any provider members on p411 that would refer him to be a member anyway.

if anyone is threatening or harassing you

I do not think safety is a concern when you yourself not because you are threatened with your personal safety by them, there is a difference.

It is a shame that the guy who lives in your head more than anyone else (BLM69) Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

For the record,
Gina is not scared for her safety, she begged BLM to meet her two times in coed.
Once was in a parking lot and the second time at a restaurant.
Most men would think of that as flirting.

But I would gladly pay any website for blocking options

No you have it wrong I live in his head!
Why bring BLM into this?

This Topic is about P411 charging for blocking.

I don't have anyone Blocked on P411 never had too so far.

Gina,

Thank you for posting about the new changes on p411. My life can get really hectic and this sort of intel is very much appreciated by ladies such as myself.

I have been in the business for quite some time and I’ve dealt with my fair share of stalkers and it can turn this wonderful and playful sexual utopia into a murky pool of angst..

But, if you are going to PLAY THE GAME…then you have to learn to deal with all of the adversities that go with it.. it is a SHAME that one of my favorite sites has gone to a policy where we will have to pay for our protection… be it mental or physical …but, it is what it is…

But, NO ONE on this site has the right to tell a provider if she feels threatened or unsafe… be it male or female..feelings are subjective and we are all allowed to have them and they should be treated with respect.

Again, thank you, for bringing this important topic to light..

Your affectionate slave,

Guinevere

I would pay the $50 but it would have to be someone who harasses me to the end of hell. Originally Posted by LustyBustyGina38FF

Your comment made me think of one member that is BANNED from Eccie....it was a prime example of safety used for blocking.

The topic went from charging fees, advertising fees, P411 sucks, to safety blocking being a main criteria for harassment.

What's the topic?

Your comment made me think of one member that is BANNED from Eccie....it was a prime example of safety used for blocking.

The topic went from charging fees, advertising fees, P411 sucks, to safety blocking being a main criteria.

What's the topic? Originally Posted by Busty

The topic of the thread is that now we have to PAY $50 on P411 to protect our mental and physical well-being. Is it fair? No.. Are we going to pay it… Yes..

For those of us who have been around for a LONG TIME and have had QUITE a few stalkers.. this is relevant information because p411 does not have a discussion board..

Focusing on Gina and people who may or may not like her is not the topic of discussion… But, again, I think you know that…

^I very familiar with her stalker, the calls from Gina were abundant.
I won't waste my time or support on a woman that encourages drama by inviting her stalker to dinner. Go read the facts.
She used me for sympathy.
If you are really scared of someone YOU DON'T INVITE them to meet.

She even bragged about her stalker not showing up because he was a coward (Twitter)
All written facts

Gina,

Thank you for posting about the new changes on p411. My life can get really hectic and this sort of intel is very much appreciated by ladies such as myself.

I have been in the business for quite some time and I’ve dealt with my fair share of stalkers and it can turn this wonderful and playful sexual utopia into a murky pool of angst..

But, if you are going to PLAY THE GAME…then you have to learn to deal with all of the adversities that go with it.. it is a SHAME that one of my favorite sites has gone to a policy where we will have to pay for our protection… be it mental or physical …but, it is what it is…

But, NO ONE on this site has the right to tell a provider if she feels threatened or unsafe… be it male or female..feelings are subjective and we are all allowed to have them and they should be treated with respect.

Again, thank you, for bringing this important topic to light..

Your affectionate slave,

Guinevere Originally Posted by Slave Guinevere

Well Said 100% .
You are so welcome and .. yes it was why I came here to post about p411 just so some providers who my not be aware of the new Policies @P411 for OUR Safty.. That was my Agenda not to have rates come in to Factor but some can't help it but run with it into other "Topic".

The topic of the thread is that now we have to PAY $50 on P411 to protect our mental and physical well-being. Is it fair? No.. Are we going to pay it… Yes..

For those of us who have been around for a LONG TIME and have had QUITE a few stalkers.. this is relevant information because p411 does not have a discussion board..

Focusing on Gina and people who may or may not like her is not the topic of discussion… But, again, I think you know that… Originally Posted by Slave Guinevere

Who focuses on the OP of a thread or even a poster on a thread and directs insults at them? Oh that is right, the OP of this thread does it along with a few others who have posted on this thread does too. So I guess you can say turnabout is fair play.

I gave my opinion on the upselling things that was free in the past (see post #37). It does suck that a website, provider or whatever nickels and dimes over and above the initial rate or what was free in the past to do to make more money, but it is what it is and the only ways you can handle it is by paying or not giving them your business, pretty simple.

I also said that the p411 private messages are seen by the p411 staff, which they are, nothing is private on that site, so when you get a person who threatens you on there, let them know and you will not have to block them as they probably won't be members for long. One thing to remember tho is no one who threatens, follows through, the ones that are quiet are the ones you have to worry about. Do providers get notifications that a male member has viewed your profile?

Oh I see, everyone else can give examples of this, that, and other but don't dare give examples of a stalker being invited by the victim to a meeting??
The Drama is deep

Who focuses on the OP of a thread or even a poster on a thread and directs insults at them? Oh that is right, the OP of this thread does it along with a few others who have posted on this thread does too. So I guess you can say turnabout is fair play.

I gave my opinion on the upselling things that was free in the past (see post #37). It does suck that a website, provider or whatever nickels and dimes over and above the initial rate or what was free in the past to do to make more money, but it is what it is and the only ways you can handle it is by paying or not giving them your business, pretty simple.

I also said that the p411 private messages are seen by the p411 staff, which they are, nothing is private on that site, so when you get a person who threatens you on there, let them know and you will not have to block them as they probably won't be members for long. One thing to remember tho is no one who threatens, follows through, the ones that are quiet are the ones you have to worry about. Do providers get notifications that a male member has viewed your profile? Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

Hmm..

Gina created a thread about a popular site that most reputable providers and hobbyists use to screen each other for safety purposes.. She did this to let the female members know that there is NOW a charge to protect yourself on THIS particular platform. I, for one, appreciated that information..

My stalkers tend to follow me on every social media site…Eccie, OH2, Twitter/X, P411, TER, onlyfans etc…again… it is what it is.. I also know that p411 is very busy and they cannot monitor all the ways that we as provides are harassed and bullied so, I will just support this change because they have always been good to me.

I made a note and now, I know what is expected.. which makes this thread valuable..

You, and another Member, brought up issues that Gina has had with a member that is currently on bancation…that is not the topic of this thread.. and it is not insulting for me to say it is off topic..

Are you always this sensitive? Just curious..

Oh I see, everyone else can give examples of this, that, and other but don't dare give examples of a stalker being invited by the victim to a meeting??
The Drama is deep Originally Posted by Busty

I do understand the rules of this engagement and you will find that I am hyper-logical but the difference in my analogy and yours is I was not targeting any one person in this thread.

This thread is about providers.. I am one..

Who , if they are having trouble with a difficult client, they will NOW need to pay $50 to block them so, that they cannot stalk them when they are on the p411 platform… (I find this to be a preferable method then having to start threads or talk about it.. I haven’t posted on ANY of the SITES in 2 years..)

Now, whatever drama that you have had with Gina, or any other member is frankly none of my business. So, your attack of me because I want to stay on topic and not have this thread closed because I think this is a valuable thread, is just strange..

First of all, I didn't attack you nor did I address you when I made a comment about "everyone" "branching -off into various topics from girls wanting clients to buy them points, to a website that doesn't look that great anymore.
I made a comment about "EVERYONE" - that means a multitude of people.

I bring facts & have shown them multiple times.
Gina started the thread on the premises of money.
The only person that brought up safety was ANTHONY in post 27.

Everything prior to that from Gina was money amounts. The facts are there .....

^I very familiar with her stalker, the calls from Gina were abundant.
I won't waste my time or support on a woman that encourages drama by inviting her stalker to dinner. Go read the facts.
She used me for sympathy.
If you are really scared of someone YOU DON'T INVITE them to meet.

She even bragged about her stalker not showing up because he was a coward (Twitter)
All written facts Originally Posted by Busty

Sweetheart,

You are becoming very upset and that was not my intention. However, in this post, you can see that you and Gina have had some issues…and you, have decided to make it personal by following her to her TWITTER and now to this thread in coed, that is called “stalking “.

I do not know you and I do not know Gina but I do know how to READ. However, I do not have the time to follow someone around like this just because, I do not like them. To me, that is not a good use of my time. But, that is just me.

However, the TOPIC of this thread is important to me because I have known quite a few hobbyists and ladies that have been stalked and outed. So, knowing the ins and outs of how to handle that on sites like P411 is helpful to me, so, I appreciate the information provided in this thread.

I could care less who started the thread or the agendas by those trying to derail it.. I simply want to keep it on track.

I have to head to work and if I offended you then I apologize but, that truly was not my intention..