Asking for discounts...

THANK YOU (Sorry Old-T)

We are not exactly selling cookies here
so I fail to see how any other "business model" fits. It is a very unique industry in which the client wants perfection, however defined, and can NEVER create that themselves--"Weird Science" was just a movie, kids... Originally Posted by PhillyChik

Let me explain; I was probably a bit cryptic.

First, I was never talking about a "random" guy. There should always be a reason/benefit the lady sees for her in it. Just because a guy asks for it is never a good reason.

The first situation that comes to mind is the fairly common practice of giving discounts for reviews, or for the first few months a lady is in the business. I am not saying they should or shouldn't, but I see enough ladies suggest it to new escorts that at least some ladies think it works for them.

Also, many of the ladies I see do this part time, working it around a full time day job, and often around being a single mom. They do indeed have different business models, largely based upon what they are seeking out of this business. Let me give some examples.

There is a lady in Ohio who I used to see over the course of five years--the time it took her to finish grad school. She looked at her grad student stipend, how much she had saved, and what her parents were helping with, and decided she needed to make $3000 per month (made-up number, I don't recall the exact amount). She decided this line of work was a better fit for her than flipping burgers and she set her rates at $300 per hour, needing to work 10 hours per month. Short notice appointments worked around her class schedule was a real pain, so FOR HER she decided it was best to find some regulars and gave a $50 discount for flexible scheduling and a dependable income. Predictability and fitting into her tight schedule was worth that trade to her. There were enough guys who thought it was an acceptable situation that she went completely UTR and had 6 guys who each gave her $500 per month on a regular basis whether they say her three times that month or none. That approach worked well for her but may not be for a different lady.

Another example. There was a lady I saw often while I was working for some clients in Texas. Her regular rate was $250/hr, which I always paid. I mentioned I had a week long job in Colorado coming up so I would have to cancel an upcoming date we had scheduled in Austin. She said how much she always wanted to see Colorado so we negotiated a discounted rate that fit my budget, covered her airfare, room, and meals, and identified expectations on both sides. I got a lower rate, she got a week in Colorado. It worked for her because she had no kids to take care of, but it would not work for other ladies. After that we would often (not always) negotiate special package rates depending on what the date would include.

Third example. There is a very pretty, very sweet lady in DC I have known for years. Her rate is quite reasonable for her reputation and quality. She really tries to work one week a month (typically when her ex has the kids) and spend the rest of the month in full-time home schooled mommy mode. In the week she is working she needs to make as much as she can, so even though I have known her almost 15 years and see her often, there are no discounts for me or anyone else. That works for her, everyone who sees her knows it, and she is never at a loss for business.

Those are the kinds of "different business models" I mean. The ladies involved all have (had) different life situations outside of this business and they all tried to set fees/hours/rules to meet what was best for them. I never judge the approach a lady has decided works for her and her situation. I only implied that not everyone's situation is the same.

Hopefully this better explains what I was trying to convey.

You want a discount, u should fuck me. LOL I have guys tell me all the time that they posted a review and suddenly were swarmed with discount offers just to prove they can be better lol. Originally Posted by Devon Derriere

How funny!

Yeah that happens all the time. You ladies are mighty competitive. Originally Posted by pyramider

Very True...some ladies will do the most.

Hopefully this better explains what I was trying to convey. Originally Posted by Old-T

no, you were perfectly clear. we were agreeing with you!!

i was just emphasizing the point that if a client can't offer an incentive for getting a discount, they should expect to pack sand, and that the likelihood of any of us having a compelling offer is about zero.

JD, I knew you were--i wasn't sure whether Phillychick was or not so I thought I would make sure. I certainly wasn't trying to argue with her. It only cost me a fer minutes to make sure.

Let me explain; I was probably a bit cryptic.
....Let me give some examples.

There is a lady in Ohio who I used to see over the course of five years--the time it took her to finish grad school. She looked at her grad student stipend, how much she had saved, and what her parents were helping with, and decided she needed to make $3000 per month (made-up number, I don't recall the exact amount). She decided this line of work was a better fit for her than flipping burgers and she set her rates at $300 per hour, needing to work 10 hours per month. Short notice appointments worked around her class schedule was a real pain, so FOR HER she decided it was best to find some regulars and gave a $50 discount for flexible scheduling and a dependable income. Predictability and fitting into her tight schedule was worth that trade to her. There were enough guys who thought it was an acceptable situation that she went completely UTR and had 6 guys who each gave her $500 per month on a regular basis whether they say her three times that month or none. That approach worked well for her but may not be for a different lady.... Originally Posted by Old-T

Having regular income is worth a discount. When I left the fortune 500 company I was working for I had a special set of management skills that are required by a lot of companies. For smaller companies this work does not require a full time position, but it does require supervision. So, I put together twenty companies that needed my work, taught the operations people what was needed, and visited each plant once per month for a review of the operation. Sometime, I could make more than one visit per day - so I worked less for more money.

All my clients benefited because they did not have to pay for a qualified full time person that only required part time work. I also gave better results, and taught their operations people what to do, or recognize problems and call me.

It was kinda of like not having to pay for a full time wife that you only need to fuck once a month. Or, having one women fuck several guys a month. She can charge each guy less, and make more money for less time.

JR

So let's say an in call is 3 for an hour. Let's say it's a hotel in call. Say the room is 1 a night. That makes them net 2.
Lets say out call is 3 an hour. In the dfw area that means they can get almost anywhere in ,so minutes let's say they drive a car that gets 12 mpg and gas is $4 per gallon. Let's just say it's a 12 miles away and takes 15 minutes drive time. The net with hard cost would be 296. So them driving is worth $96. That implies their drive time is worth 384 an hour. I understand their are some other factors. That is just to much to include all of them. Either way the net is extra money for an out call. . Originally Posted by mydallas1

1) Many providers don't use hotels for their incalls. Oftentimes, it's a separate apartment or condo, etc. In that case, the cost is a sunk one and the more often they can use it, the greater their return on their investment.

2) In Houston rush hour traffic, it can easily take you an hour to get across town. Combine that with the hassle of showing up stressed out, not as freshly prepped, etc. that just adds more potential negative factors to doing an outcall.

3) When a provider sees someone at their incall, they're on their "home turf" so to speak. In an Outcall situation, there is a very real element of added risk to the equation.

You said to can't understand why providers charge more for outcalls. These were just a few reasons I could think of just off the top of my head. If you don't like a provider who charges more for outcalls, just don't see her and move on.

1) Many providers don't use hotels for their incalls. Oftentimes, it's a separate apartment or condo, etc. In that case, the cost is a sunk one and the more often they can use it, the greater their return on their investment.

2) In Houston rush hour traffic, it can easily take you an hour to get across town. Combine that with the hassle of showing up stressed out, not as freshly prepped, etc. that just adds more potential negative factors to doing an outcall.

3) When a provider sees someone at their incall, they're on their "home turf" so to speak. In an Outcall situation, there is a very real element of added risk to the equation.

You said to can't understand why providers charge more for outcalls. These were just a few reasons I could think of just off the top of my head. If you don't like a provider who charges more for outcalls, just don't see her and move on. Originally Posted by jbravo_123

i make more $ not charging extra than if i did. Its called investing. Ill travel within 2hours at my reg rate (specials dont apply) for an outcall. My time and the $20 in gas isnt much especially when i bring A game and gain a repeat customer.. and they tend to start taking turns on the travel...unless someone is doing back to back calls.. the drive time isnt that big of a deal.

if a provider has 3 sets of rates on 3 different websites of course I am going to ask for the lowest of the 3 (this happens all the time)... if she gets upset about that then I wonder why would she not update her prices and be consistent? its only going to confuse people doing that.. i'm really not trying to put her down, i'm just wanting the same rate as she is giving other people..

I agree. Today someone asked me for a $40 discount (he wanted to pay $300 when the rate is $340) and because of that, I ended all contact with him and will not be seeing him.

The best way to ensure we won't have a good time, is to treat me like a whore. If you want me to act like a girlfriend that is into you, don't talk about money. It is a huge turn off for me. Originally Posted by Brooke Wilde

that's fair but my question is what if that person saw in other reviews you charged 300 and not 340? shouldn't he atleast check with you to make sure the rate is correct? seems like it would be silly to blow him off for simply asking for clarification.

that's fair but my question is what if that person saw in other reviews you charged 300 and not 340? shouldn't he atleast check with you to make sure the rate is correct? seems like it would be silly to blow him off for simply asking for clarification. Originally Posted by joesmo888

YMMV. Maybe he saw her when she was offering a discount. Im pretty sure it would be correct. Trust me... we look at the public info. If putting a lower rate that is false...the girl will rtm it.
My experience is that the guy that is begging for a discount. Is obviously tight on cash. He probably wont be happy after no matter how great of a time you give him. Huge chance you wont meet his expectations. Hes spending $ he doesnt have. So youre giving a personal discount to a guy that will probably write a shitty review anyway. And if he is rude enough to cheapen things by begging for a discount.. lord knows what else he is willing to beg for bcd,,, nope. Ill pass

I think straight up asking for a discount would be rude, especially if they never meet before. However I do know some girls offer discounted rates or grandfathered rates from repeat clients but that is usually something the provider initiates. My preference is multi-hour appointment so if only the hourly rates are known I might ask what the multi-hour rate would be hoping that it would be at a discount. Originally Posted by rrabbit6926

^^^ This ...

and that's the bottom line right there.

what incentive does a girl ever have to give some random guy a price break? she's taking most of the risks. she has to assume it's a one-shot deal. the likelihood that you'll fuck her better than another guy is marginal at best.

so she should discount you "just because" you asked? Originally Posted by john_deere

^^^ Also all of this ....

I always negotiate on anything more than an hour

i make more $ not charging extra than if i did. Its called investing. Ill travel within 2hours at my reg rate (specials dont apply) for an outcall. My time and the $20 in gas isnt much especially when i bring A game and gain a repeat customer.. and they tend to start taking turns on the travel...unless someone is doing back to back calls.. the drive time isnt that big of a deal. Originally Posted by Devon Derriere

I never meant to imply that it was incorrect to not charge more for outcalls, but that if someone does, I can understand why they do it.

There are plenty of reasons both for / against it. It's up to each provider what it's worth for them.

every provider has her own rate just like every client has a maximum price he's willing to pay. Yes outcalls from my experience it's never that much more. If you can't afford the rate move on there are plenty of providers out there and maybe if a enough time passes you can catch her when she is running specials.