Shhh! It's a secret...?

You have it all wrong. The bottom line is, it SHOULDN'T BE ILLEGAL. I get this feeling that you do believe it should be illegal. Am I wrong?

Is it legal? That's the only question here...

So I get stung. What do I really lose?

Why do you think you are the only one you are putting at risk here? If you get busted who else goes down with you? Are they as prepared to make that sacrifice so you can have that experience?

You have it all wrong. The bottom line is, it SHOULDN'T BE ILLEGAL. Originally Posted by Electricfeelnow

I also think you're pretty far off base here. Gay marriage is a civil rights issue, an important one that affects people who have no choice in who they are. You're equating the right of individuals who have a minority sexual orientation to be treated equally with your own "right" to practice a profession legally, a profession that you could leave at any time.

By doing so you're either debasing the struggle of homosexuals for equal treatment, or you're aggrandizing your own desire to operate your business legally. I don't think you're the kind of person to do either of those things, so maybe you're just not aware of how your message is coming across.

I think you should consider the examples of homosexual rights and marijuana legalization more pragmatically. How is it that homosexuals and pot growers have moved from the outskirts of society to somewhere closer to the middle? In both cases the protagonists have leveraged compassion. And in one case they leveraged the economy.

It's easy for homosexuals to make a case that elicits compassion. When a person can't visit their partner of 20 years in the hospital because the government won't recognize their union, that screams unequal treatment. Stories of love and devotion have steadily chipped away at the culture's preconceived notions of homosexuals who practice sexual promiscuity and reckless behavior until, finally, the majority of the population sees things their way.

I just don't believe there's an example here to be followed for your cause. Except to learn that to achieve your goals, you have to work towards earning compassion from society as a whole. Proudly exclaiming "this is what I do and it should be legal" doesn't help you at all. No one's mind is changed when a sex worker wants to shed the risk of arrest or prison. You have to explain why it is in a just society's best interest to see things your way.

Marijuana legalization is probably a better example to follow. And, again, the road to success was through compassion. Medical marijuana was a much easier sell than recreational because of the compassionate element. You can convince people who will never smoke in their lives that pot is a good idea if you can show that it's medicine that will do a job no other medicine will do. After a sufficient period of time, society is starting to recognize that the risks of marijuana are far overblown. After more than a decade of medical marijuana, clear data are now available to show this.

It is also very important that society has recognized that marijuana is similar to alcohol, and a society that prohibits one while allowing the other is not only acting hypocritically, it is missing out on an important source of tax revenue. It shouldn't be a surprise that recreational marijuana was finally able to pass, despite many previous attempts, during the largest recession since the Great Depression. This was certainly the deciding factor among the conservatives I know who supported legalization in CO and WA.

In both examples, it was important to frame things in a way that shows society as a whole what they have to gain. Whether it's the feel-goods or tax revenue, society doesn't move on a social issue like this unless there's something in it for them. The cold reality is that most people don't care whether a very nice and well-spoken person such as yourself thinks prostitution should be legal.

Compassion is the thing that influenced Canada's supreme court into striking down their anti-prostitution laws. They were made to see that the laws were harmful to women because of the dangers they created. Whether prostitutes will be better off when the laws are re-written remains to be seen, but the example is still one to consider carefully.

So my advice is to de-emphasize the "this is what I do and I'm proud of it" angle, which won't move the people that need to be moved. The fact that your status as a comedian was a thing in the radio show suggests that your appearance was more about you and less about whether legal prostitution makes sense for our society. I understand that the reason you were on the show in the first place was because of your connections to the comedy culture, but I think you can see my point. Whether you're a comedian or a bus driver or the lunch lady shouldn't matter at all if your true ambition is to make the world a better place for everyone through the legalization of prostitution.

Perhaps, on your next radio show appearance, it would be sensible to be prepared with information about how prostitutes live under constant fear of violence, or any other angle that might make a "legitimate" person change their mind about a profession they want nothing to do with. And perhaps it would be sensible to leave out any type of details that might make a cynical person believe that you're only attempting to further your own career. Because cynical people vote, too.

Why do you think you are the only one you are putting at risk here? If you get busted who else goes down with you? Are they as prepared to make that sacrifice so you can have that experience? Originally Posted by Toyz

Also very important to consider. The way EFN and Haley Jane talked about having never been busted could be construed as a jab towards LE, or at least a suggestion that they're lenient. If they are lenient, how is it in the best interest of anyone in the hobby to make that information public? I can't see how that could ever be a good thing. All of us in the hobby, to some degree, are in it together, so it stings a bit when someone behaves in a way that appears selfish and increases our risk.

It's not just a BBBJ I provided, it's a very close and intimate experience I shared with someone. I provided pleasure, security, passion and fantasy. If we're friends, I provided support and love. It's not just staining the sheets with some stranger, it's pushing our limits together and sharing experiences we can't share with anyone else at this point in our lives. I'm providing a girlfriend, a friend, a lover, a healer, a spooner and a SUB. These things are much more than JUST anything...that's why our clients come to us.

This is a bit comical. This well indeed may be how you feel about the experience being you the provider and it may help you sleep at night but coming from the opposite point of view being the client I cannot agree. The moment you accept money for those experiences it changes everything to the one forking over that money.
We come to you because we use you to live out our lustfull desires without any baggage from a real relationship.
Yes having some chemistry helps make the experience that more desirable, while we are with you but if I were out in public with close friends or family Id be damned if Id acknowledge you, especially if one were completely open about what they do.
The fact that our hobby is taboo, and the acts we do behind closed doors are where we act out our deepest desires that can sometimes be frowned upon by the average everyday female makes the act of seeing a provider that more
exciting and enjoyable.
You keep stating you are proud of what you do, tired of living a lie and are prepared to suffer the consequences yet you soeak all of this behind an anonymous screen name.
If you are so proud why not just abandon the screen name and use your real name? Or better yet as youve also stated that youve already announced what you do on your facebook page, why not simply use that to advertise your services and leave this hush hush community behind.

Cited from http://sexworkersproject.org/downloa...ingDoorFS.html

"Violence Against Prostitutes: Eighty percent of street-based prostitutes interviewed had experienced or been threatened with violence while working. When asked about reporting violence to the police, they reported that police did not take their complaints seriously and often told them that they should expect violence. "Carol" told researchers "If I call them, they don't come. If I have a situation in the street, forget it. 'Nobody told you to be in the street.' After a girl was gang raped, they said 'Forget it, she works in the street.'" She continued, "I hope that never happens to your daughters. I'm human." Originally Posted by Electricfeelnow

So you're a streetwalker now? literally walking the streets at night is dangerous regardless if you are trying to sell sex or not. Leaglizing prostitution won't change that.

I hold that while things should be different for both the gay and sex work communities. The violence and abuse they suffer are very different. I am not going to take the time to dig up a quote from over 10 years ago because it wouldn't influence you any more than yours did me.

Ultimatly I'll say that being a hooker is a choice gay isn't. if you really think the two are simular I hope you don't have many gay friends.

"Police Violence Against Prostitutes: Thirty percent of sex workers interviewed told researchers that they had been threatened with violence by police officers, while 27% actually experienced violence at the hands of police. Reported incidents included officers physically grabbing and kicking prostitutes, as well as beating them; one incident of rape; one woman was stalked by a police officer; and throwing food at one subject. Sexual harassment included fondling of body parts; giving women cigarettes in exchange for sex; and police offering not to arrest a prostitute in exchange for sexual services." Originally Posted by Electricfeelnow

While I am sure this is an accurate static from a decade ago, it is meaningless w/o context. was 100% of these interactions because of suspected sex work activities? or maybe, just maybe a few were pulled over for speeding, and told a quick BnG would take care of the matter? I have heard from two friends of such things happening in west texas and they are not sex workers.

In addition, I am going to guess that if you interview a whole group of people engaged in any illegal profession you won't hear many positive stores about law enforcement.

As I have said previously I applaud your efforts to stand up for what you believe. I hope that nobody you have associated goes down with you unwillingly. Part of the social contract with an escort is a level of discretion and you have retroactively changed that for you, and anyone you have seen.

You do realize sex work is illegal right? It shouldn't be but it is. Why would anyone openly advertise that they participate in illegal activities?
Originally Posted by Listener

You have it all wrong. The bottom line is, it SHOULDN'T BE ILLEGAL. I get this feeling that you do believe it should be illegal. Am I wrong? Originally Posted by Electricfeelnow

Is that short memory or selective reading? Does my original post answer your question?

As I have said previously I applaud your efforts to stand up for what you believe. I hope that nobody you have associated goes down with you unwillingly. Part of the social contract with an escort is a level of discretion and you have retroactively changed that for you, and anyone you have seen. Originally Posted by Bob McV

+1

Fun 60 minutes or not I'm not about to put myself on the client list of a self sacrificial provider who so enthusiastically paints an LE bulls-eye on her own forehead.
Heidi Fleiss took a whole lot of clients down with her.
This is one cell phone I am glad NOT to have my number in. It would be pretty damn unsettling if I did.

I do applaud you EFN, I have read a number of your posts and there is no question you are an intelligent and articulate woman with a lot of verve and moxie. I like that about you.

I too am an activist though for reasons I'm certain we can all understand, I choose to fight behind the veil of writing for magazines and blogs and even help drafting legislation on the subject, I write under any number of noms de plume.

I worked as an escort in my younger days to get through grad school in a European country where such activities are legal. I can tell you from experience that should the great USA ever legalize prostitution, you can look forward to a considerable drop in donation as the hobby will be absolutely flooded with providers rendering you unable to command that which you can now due to the risk. Just imagine the volume of clients you must see to make ends meet at $50 a pop. You will be identified as a prostitute by the government. The very government I personally don't trust as far as I can throw, and you exist in a file identified as a prostitute for ever, accessible to any and all who may wish to research you. That never goes away. Taxes. You have to pay them. You will be subject to a quarterly STD test, at a government facility only open at only at certain times, and at a great expense to you. The results of which are posted in that very same government file. For ever.

Though Europe to many of us seems the very model of the zeitgeist of open sexuality, I can assure you the stigma does not escape you. You are subject to the same abject dismissal and leering disgust as one could expect if they were outed here. You are still considered one who has made some very abhorrent choices in her life, and are treated accordingly. Once you are identified as a prostitute in your town, which always happens, you can look forward to never being able to frequent a nice restaurant, being blatantly shunned in boutiques, and sitting at an empty coffee table while the waiter serves everyone but you.

There is only a handful of benefits and those are protection from the police should someone hurt, rob, or rape you, and the easier identification of those who are truly trafficked (studies of which, despite the demagoguery to the opposite, is very rare) as folks are more apt to identify a trafficked adult or child if they know there will not be legal repercussions for them personally. Additionally, as far as the cops are concerned, they must help you, but will do so begrudgingly and with the utmost disdain.

I can assure you that legalizing prostitution does absolutely nothing in the negating of misogyny but perhaps magnifies it. No one is throwing rotten tomatoes and cabbages at you right now, catch my drift? But you can anticipate the metaphorical rotten tomatoes coming at you from places you never thought possible when/if this activity is every legalized.

I am not proud or embarrassed of this job, and I'm certainly not empowered. Does anyone ask the caddy or secretary or lab technician if he/she is empowered? It's just something I do to put food on the table. Though I am most certainly fond of most of my guests, adore them and appreciate them on a deep level I don't romanticize this activity. It is my job to sell the illusion of love, not the realities of it. I am very comfortable operating in the realm of mystique and illusion but I don't fool myself otherwise. You may speak of the deep connections and genuine affection and I most certainly understand that, I understand the desire to make of this something less tawdry, to feel compelled to long for the grand, but the realities of genuine intimacy in this industry seem to be a beautifully sentimentalized version of what we really do.

"She's young and knows it all. If and when she ever loses custody of a child because of this recklessness then perhaps it'll sink in."

You're right, it'll sink in. It'll sink in that it's time to fight harder and smarter. It would mean there's even more reason to fight for our rights. To fight for our children. To fight for our respect. Originally Posted by Electricfeelnow

Making sex work legal is fighting for your children? I assume then that you would advocate your daughter follow in your path as a provider? Wow!

As far as fighting for respect? You really are riding this cloud high aren't you.? Even in countries where sex work is legal prostitutes are not looked upon with respect by those societies. Perhaps if you were the Emperor's concubine in old Japan but aside from that I've never heard of any society which looked upon sex workers with respect.

We may hold a degree of mutual respect in the hobby as men and women because we're all wading knee high in the same sewer.
If you really are thinking you're going to get main stream society to start respecting an industry that mostly caters to renting girls bodies out to married men then I bow down and back off as this is pointless.

Yes, H2O, I am, and I have my work to thank for a large part of that. I also have a handful of loyal clients that are also a part of that. The amount of love and support I have discovered through my work has been a major part of my "growing up."

What tax money? I run a legitimate and legal business and pay taxes. Well, that's what they know, at least. My work actually allowed me to pay taxes for the first time!

Thanks for sharing! I love hearing answers from both providers and hobbyists! Originally Posted by Electricfeelnow

Uncle Sam appreciates you being a productive member of society.

I'm just glad I'm still your favorite beverage.

We may hold a degree of mutual respect in the hobby as men and women because we're all wading knee high in the same sewer. Originally Posted by Listener

Ah, there's the crux isn't it? That's the toxic mentality in a nutshell. But let's take things one step at a time. Lincoln freed the slaves but it took another 150 years before the idea of racial equality was seriously debated. The first step is decriminalization. Someone has to push for that. I'm willing to do my part.

I dislike the argument that decriminalization is pointless because it won't change the social stigma. That isn't the point. The point is to stop hurting sex workers/providers by making their activities a criminal offense. The point is to stop making it more physically dangerous than it has to be. Then work on the health care apparatus to make it less of a sex shaming clusterfuck.

More provides are out to their friends and families than you might think. And I still think it's absurdly condescending to tell a provider that wants to live openly that it's "too risky for her and her family". Fuck that. Nobody means that. What do you care? Some people just enjoy talking down. Or they really believe providers are dirty bitches who deserve what they get.

Ah, there's the crux isn't it? That's the toxic mentality in a nutshell. But let's take things one step at a time. Lincoln freed the slaves but it took another 150 years before the idea of racial equality was seriously debated. The first step is decriminalization. Someone has to push for that. I'm willing to do my part.

I dislike the argument that decriminalization is pointless because it won't change the social stigma. That isn't the point. The point is to stop hurting sex workers/providers by making their activities a criminal offense. The point is to stop making it more physically dangerous than it has to be. Then work on the health care apparatus to make it less of a sex shaming clusterfuck.

More provides are out to their friends and families than you might think. And I still think it's absurdly condescending to tell a provider that wants to live openly that it's "too risky for her and her family". Fuck that. Nobody means that. What do you care? Some people just enjoy talking down. Or they really believe providers are dirty bitches who deserve what they get. Originally Posted by FloridaShark

You just love making shit up and then attacking it as if it were real. No one says decriminalization is pointless. Those are your words alone. Providers are dirty bitches? That shit is straight out of Your head.

We all agree that prostitution should be legalized but continually using human rights issues such as slavery and persecution of gays as a comparison for defense is absurd and basically unintelligent.

As far as the toxic mentality you refer to when I suggest we're all in the same sewer?

What can I say? It is a business that is enjoyable for us mongers but as stated before it caters mostly to young ladies with issues selling themselves to married men.

That is a pretty toxic environment if you ask me although I like everyone else here enjoys the hobby for selfish gratification. In a sense I would say everyone in the hobby is screwed up to some small degree. Is this actually news?

As stated before most hobbyists share mutual respect and more importantly Discretion because we are all on the same playing field and run the same risks. Those risks are only worth taking if you feel those you participate with will not be taking unnecessary risks at your expense.

Guess why LE is far more lax in Austin than surrounding big cities? Because it isn't a huge public presence being rubbed in politician's faces.

Solution? Let's get on radio talk shows and fight for the right to sell sex in Austin.... Brilliant!

Making sex work legal is fighting for your children? I assume then that you would advocate your daughter follow in your path as a provider? Wow!

As far as fighting for respect? You really are riding this cloud high aren't you.? Even in countries where sex work is legal prostitutes are not looked upon with respect by those societies. Perhaps if you were the Emperor's concubine in old Japan but aside from that I've never heard of any society which looked upon sex workers with respect.

We may hold a degree of mutual respect in the hobby as men and women because we're all wading knee high in the same sewer.
If you really are thinking you're going to get main stream society to start respecting an industry that mostly caters to renting girls bodies out to married men then I bow down and back off as this is pointless. Originally Posted by Listener

Making sex work legal is fighting for your children? I assume then that you would advocate your daughter follow in your path as a provider? Wow!

If I ever have a daughter and she comes up to me one day after she's 18 and tells me "Mama, I've thought about it, I've learned about it, and I really really want to be a provider at this point in my life. I think it will a great job when I'm going to The University of Texas at Austin to help pay y'all back for school and, well, I just really want to be a sexy, professional business woman...just like you were 20ish years ago," you're damn right I would support her in that decision. I only hope she would have a safe and legal way to pursue that. If she doesn't but still said "Mama, I wanna do it and I know exactly what I am getting into and I take full responsibility for my actions," I'd still support her and I'd help her set up a safe way of finding and managing clients.

Once again, you are proving that you yourself don't respect Sex Work as legitimate work, which is why I think you have a problem with what I'm doing. I respect your insulting opinion that we're just here to suck your dick, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you.

As far as fighting for respect? You really are riding this cloud high aren't you.? Even in countries where sex work is legal prostitutes are not looked upon with respect by those societies. Perhaps if you were the Emperor's concubine in old Japan but aside from that I've never heard of any society which looked upon sex workers with respect.

OH SHIT! REALLY?!?!?! Oh Fuck, you're right! I better just stop! Nothing is ever going to change!

Seriously? I'm supposed to look around and see our unfair treatment and just accept it? NO thanks. I'm not going to make others more comfortable by lying about who I am. I'm prepared for the uneducated opinions, which is why I will be going out and educating the general public. For those times the discussions are too technical for a current working girl to talk about, I have a few non-hobbying (ex providers) that have joined my team that will be helping with those times.


We may hold a degree of mutual respect in the hobby as men and women because we're all wading knee high in the same sewer.
If you really are thinking you're going to get main stream society to start respecting an industry that mostly caters to renting girls bodies out to married men then I bow down and back off as this is pointless

Thanks for the support....NOT. I appreciate your opinion, but I will not let that discourage me from showing the truth about the hobby. Our hobby. And that truth is that you have very successful and professional women that need to have the same worker rights as almost every other profession in the world. There are no logical reasons for outlawing prostitution, if anything it will only help the MASSIVE sex industry make even more money and dominate the world even more.

(Sex industry rakes in 99 billion per year. NFL, NBA and MLB only bring in 44 Bil combined)

The people want sex. The people love sex. The law is just stuck in some outdated ideas. It's 2014 and people are buying weed out of legal shops and men are marrying men. There was a time when weed made people insane and gays were treated like the plague. Change is possible, and change will come.

No pun intended.

Your a profesional business woman?
You dont own your own place, have a vehicle, health insurance and have no real steady income etc etc.

All Ah know is thet Ah dun seen "Purty Womb-man" about 27 'r 28 times an' it's awful clear ta meh thet hoogars wif a heart o' gold always get a happy ending. Any durn fool kin see tha truth fer himself on tha movin' pitcher screen.

Ah, fer one, think l'il ol' Miss Electricboogaloo oughta git herself sum bidness cards printed up like ol' Paladin frum tha teevee show Ah used ta watch when Ah wuz young.



Jus' change tha slogun ta "Have Poonanny Will Travel" and instead o' tha knight chess piece she culd have a cartoon dam-buildin' beaver wif buck teef thet's bin shaved plum-nekkid tied-up and laid out all spread-eagle, a-winkin' an' a-smilin'.