Some Perspective From A Retired Pro -

What was the first expense that I cut from my budget?

Sorry, cutting stripper and hobby funds is not an expense. It is a luxury. And, I'm sorry to have to say, but the responses in this thread are interesting as once again its the exact same cast of male characters that seem to think being a provider is easy and since they were born with a vagina there is no additional cost. Especially the same old same old cast of characters that presume to speak for all of us. But then, when you find lately that there is 10 to 15 guys dominating the discussions and so few ladies choosing to participate, it makes one wonder.....

Just how good are we as a group involved in hobbling at promoting open and equal discussion between both sexes? If you look at the Austin forum as a whole I'm saying it is a totally dominated male board built around the mentality that a SW is $20 for bbbj so the whole gfe package shouldn't cost more than $100 to $150. Sorry, I'm tired of the male dominated, bullshit focused, small group of male posters dominating and trying to control this board under the refrain "This AIN'T ASPD" It sure as hell ain't, its 180 degrees totally opposite.

The bullshit has to stop. Sorry guys, but unless you have a cunt and fuck for money you need to shut up and stop trying to telling others how to run their business. You have two very simple choices in life - see them or not. Stop the bitching, whining, downgrading, etc.... Honestly between whispers, codybeast, 78704, sixxbach, and the rest with similar mental midgetry, I'm getting sick and tired of the machismo crap here. Did you notice that the posting count is down? That it takes hours and days for a sub-forum to get a post? Its not because the economy *supposedly* sucks, its because nobody gives a shit about this forum anymore. Putrid comes to mind when I think of the mentality exhibited by the posters here lately.

Its a hobby, not a life style - grow up, take off your wife beater t's, and stop thinking you can control everything in the hobby. Price is as they choose to price themselves at, either pay it or not.

Kittylover

As usual I think you are trying to impress the wrong thread. Before jumping in swinging plastic sword, wearing mom's home-sewn curtain cape in defense of something that doesn't even exist, try reading the OP's initial post first.

..SHE.. asked for the MALE perspective on a particular issue that only the males could give and all that has occurred here is a bunch of honest males gave their honest personal perspectives as requested. It is not a debate about what a providers service is worth or how much she should charge. It is about what it will take to keep our dollar spending local period.. Who are you to argue with the answers? They are personal perspectives.

If it seems to be the same cast of characters then be sure to include yourself as one. The one who trips onto the stage every time swinging his toy sword like Mayberry's Barney Fifer. Alway trying to be a hero to impress the audience only to find the audience is laughing at you because you entered the wrong play yet AGAIN..

Also if it is the same characters it is because no one else is participating. There are no restrictions on who can post. Some choose to post and many don't. You happen to be among those who do except you're the one always looking for a damsel to defend or a dragon to slay even though there is NONE.

Try reading the actual script from now on before stumbling onto the stage during the end of the final scene. After awhile it stops being comical and just gets old even to the audience you're trying to impress.

Its not because the economy *supposedly* sucks, Originally Posted by kittyloveratx

Clearly, you have not been keeping up with current events. The economy DOES suck, and the unemployment rate is a clear indicator as are sales of new and existing homes.

I do have a job, but I am concerned about whether I will in 4 or 5 months, so I am saving more and seeing providers less. Chances are some others are trying to save more out of concern about job security.

I'm sure that there are many guys just like me who have had to make do with less money this year. We have 3 options.

1) stop hobbying
2) hobby less often
3) hobby for less per session

LF Originally Posted by LadiesFan

There's another option: 4) find another hobby.

I added the excitement and enjoyment of "the hobby," and subtracted the risks and costs. Though I've sometimes had a magical hour with a wonderful lady, the sum total was not positive and had not been for some time. So, I found another hobby. Though I remain interested and my old hobby sometimes tempts me, I've moved on.

To address the original question, ladies, please improve the hobby as a whole. Please encourage everyone to be better, not just your self. A guy who has an awful experience with someone, won't be in any hurry to see you, no matter how good you are. Please be conscious of men's risks and costs, and costs include time and effort, as well as money. Please consider that sex isn't "the only thing" for many men.

I wish you the best in these tough times.

@crystalkitty...i understand your point...but you get waxed and nails done because you are a woman lol

@kittylover
i am new here...but im pretty sure she was asking the OPINIONS of the men here.
and at everyone against talking about money...how can you ask how to impove business and not talk about money?

@Kitty, I did not see anyone mandating a fee schedule?? Please point it out, I merely saw what the current market is baring, and perhaps to your surprise and many, Eccie is merely a drop in the bucket for Escorts and Companions...if they do not like here then change the channel plenty other 'vendors' out there so they can peddle their 'cunt' as you say...


and I am pretty sure most of the guys here 'do pay it and shut up', but we also are the customers and any good business likes to hear feedback on how to make their product better

............... Just how good are we as a group involved in hobbling at promoting open and equal discussion between both sexes? If you look at the Austin forum as a whole I'm saying it is a totally dominated male board built around the mentality that a SW is $20 for bbbj so the whole gfe package shouldn't cost more than $100 to $150.


Maybe we should get your handle changed to "PussyDefenderATX" as you seem to consistently jump on their bandwagon.....

I read the boards fairly consistently and haven't seen any threads focusing on or with any ongoing conversation that GFE should be a $100-$150 package.....

You're grossly exaggerating the issue....


Sorry, I'm tired of the male dominated, bullshit focused, small group of male posters dominating and trying to control this board under the refrain "This AIN'T ASPD" It sure as hell ain't, its 180 degrees totally opposite.

and Thank-You Tbone and St Chris for that...... But for a long time ASPD was the same as what you see here as well..... AT least in most places other than Austin where a few like you were more interested in getting a Chat Buddy and someone to exchange PMs with than in getting laid. Then a few got in a position and changed the course of ASPD into a place where some whining, sniveling poor excuses for a man could be happy......

The bullshit has to stop. Sorry guys, but unless you have a cunt and fuck for money you need to shut up and stop trying to telling others how to run their business.

Most of us have lives that contain interaction with women to talk to and have discussions with and come here looking simply for the "cunt and fuck for money" girls you mention.... and we find what we want, pay the price and shut up.... and often move on....

It may be long past time for you to Shut the Fuck Up....

What a fucking wuss you are being..... This thread was STARTED by a woman,.... By a former Provider......asking for suggestions on how local ladies cane earn back business they have lost as well as keep it and the business they still have.... PRESUMABLY for other ladies whining behind the scenes...

It wasn't a thread started by a woman saying "Hey Big Boy... Come talk bad to all the other guys and I'll give you a pat on the head and the attention you are so desperately seeking"....

The Ownership of this board has a vision of what they want this site to be about and if it was not going in the direction they desire you would see changes......

There are obvious reasons WHY guys like SIXX are Mods around here vs the "Sold our Souls for the Pussy" type that dominated ASPD....


You have two very simple choices in life - see them or not.

That choice has already been made it seems...... More Austin money seems to be going to visiting providers and new girls for a reason... Some of the ladies are starting to see what happened as a result of THAT attitude.......

Stop the bitching, whining, downgrading, etc.... Honestly between whispers, codybeast, 78704, sixxbach, and the rest with similar mental midgetry, I'm getting sick and tired of the machismo crap here.

Then Fucking Leave!

Did you notice that the posting count is down?

Did YOU notice the amount of information making the review sections has increased? That the number of people joining is INCREASING? That the number of advertisements is INCREASING? That the participation in the Locker Room and camaraderie is INCREASING? That the number of new girls finding their way here is increasing? That the visiting talent is increasing?

This site is built on a backbone of information, reviews and advertisements designed to bring men with money together with women that offer services looking for that money.....

THAT is what is growing.....

Sure.... There is some banter, chat and flirting that goes on along the way....... so guys like you get some of what you want.... unfortunately.....


That it takes hours and days for a sub-forum to get a post? Its not because the economy *supposedly* sucks, its because nobody gives a shit about this forum anymore. Putrid comes to mind when I think of the mentality exhibited by the posters here lately.

Then find another board..... There are others around where the almighty puss is worshiped but guys just like you.....

Go... Have at it.....

Just come back here for the Ads and Information that those boards lack because Eccie will continue to grow and although you may not see the female posters in the volume you desire you will find more ads and reviews as well as up to date information about the ladies here than on those other sites....

Its a hobby, not a life style - grow up, take off your wife beater t's, and stop thinking you can control everything in the hobby. Price is as they choose to price themselves at, either pay it or not. Originally Posted by kittyloveratx

And as it has obviously been seen by many a lady here based on what the OP has posted and commented on, Many a guy has chose to no longer "pay it"...

Is it because of the price?
Is it because of TCB?
Is it because of Variety?
Is it because of the Economy?

It is a combination of a lot of factors...... Many of them being presented here.....

A question was asked and feedback is being given......

Sorry if you don't like it that some of that feedback has to do with one of the most important principles of marketing and return clientele when dealing with a declining economy....

Pricing.....

Originally Posted by kittyloveratx

............... Just how good are we as a group involved in hobbling at promoting open and equal discussion between both sexes? If you look at the Austin forum as a whole I'm saying it is a totally dominated male board built around the mentality that a SW is $20 for bbbj so the whole gfe package shouldn't cost more than $100 to $150.


Maybe we should get your handle changed to "PussyDefenderATX" as you seem to consistently jump on their bandwagon.....

I read the boards fairly consistently and haven't seen any threads focusing on or with any ongoing conversation that GFE should be a $100-$150 package.....

You're grossly exaggerating the issue....


Sorry, I'm tired of the male dominated, bullshit focused, small group of male posters dominating and trying to control this board under the refrain "This AIN'T ASPD" It sure as hell ain't, its 180 degrees totally opposite.

and Thank-You Tbone and St Chris for that...... But for a long time ASPD was the same as what you see here as well..... AT least in most places other than Austin where a few like you were more interested in getting a Chat Buddy and someone to exchange PMs with than in getting laid. Then a few got in a position and changed the course of ASPD into a place where some whining, sniveling poor excuses for a man could be happy......

Most of us have lives that contain interaction with women to talk to and have discussions with and come here looking simply for the "cunt and fuck for money" girls you mention.... and we find what we want, pay the price and shut up.... and often move on....

The bullshit has to stop. Sorry guys, but unless you have a cunt and fuck for money you need to shut up and stop trying to telling others how to run their business.

It may be long past time for you to Shut the Fuck Up....

What a fucking wuss you continue to be..... This thread was STARTED by a woman,.... By a Provider,,,, asking for suggestions on how local ladies cane earn back business they have lost as well as keep it and the business they still have....

It wasn't a thread started by a woman saying "Hey Big Boy... Come talk bad to all the other guys and I'll give you a pat on the head and the attention you are so desperately seeking"....

The Ownership of this board has a vision of what they want this site to be about and if it was not going in the direction they desire you would see changes......

There are obvious reasons WHY guys like SIXX are Mods around here vs the "Sold our Souls for the Pussy" type that dominated ASPD....


You have two very simple choices in life - see them or not.

That choice has already been made it seems...... More Austin money seems to be going to visiting providers and new girls for a reason... Some of the ladies are starting to see what happened as a result of THAT attitude.......

Stop the bitching, whining, downgrading, etc.... Honestly between whispers, codybeast, 78704, sixxbach, and the rest with similar mental midgetry, I'm getting sick and tired of the machismo crap here.

Then Fucking Leave!

Did you notice that the posting count is down?

Did YOU notice the amount of information making the review sections has increased? That the number of people joining is INCREASING? That the number of advertisements is INCREASING? That the participation in the Locker Room and camaraderie is INCREASING? That the number of new girls finding their way here is increasing? That the visiting talent is increasing?

This site is built on a backbone of information, reviews and advertisements designed to bring men with money together with women that offer services looking for that money.....

THAT is what is growing.....

Sure.... There is some banter, chat and flirting that goes on along the way....... so guys like you get some of what you want.... unfortunately.....


That it takes hours and days for a sub-forum to get a post? Its not because the economy *supposedly* sucks, its because nobody gives a shit about this forum anymore. Putrid comes to mind when I think of the mentality exhibited by the posters here lately.

Then find another board..... There are others around where the almighty puss is worshiped but guys just like you.....

Go... Have at it.....

Just come back here for the Ads and Information that those boards lack because Eccie will continue to grow and although you may not see the female posters in the volume you desire you will find more ads and reviews as well as up to date information about the ladies here than on those other sites....

Its a hobby, not a life style - grow up, take off your wife beater t's, and stop thinking you can control everything in the hobby. Price is as they choose to price themselves at, either pay it or not.

And as it has obviously been seen by many a lady here based on what the OP has posted and commented on, Many a guy has chose to no longer "pay it"...

Is it because of the price?
Is it because of TCB?
Is it because of Variety?
Is it because of the Economy?

It is a combination of a lot of factors...... Many of them being presented here.....

A question was asked and feedback is being given......

Sorry if you don't like it that some of that feedback has to do with one of the most important principles of marketing and return clientele when dealing with a declining economy....

Pricing..... Originally Posted by Whispers

I will ask you once politely to stop threatening, demeaning, belittling, and discouraging anyone that posts a response you don't agree with. This has been an honest and eye-opening thread for all of us here as it was intended. There is no reason at all for you to constantly bash every person that doesn't follow your directives implicitly. Not everyone is a lamb who will fall in stride with the rest of the sheeple.
Some of us have our own opinions as you do and I ASK one last time that you allow everyone to be heard without fear of being attacked by you.

**PEOPLE, take back your board. Let YOUR perspective be heard. Don't fear the meanies and bullies. They're INTERNET BULLIES for fuck's sake....lol. Why in the world would you fear them and remain silent??**

Why are you shitting on them by constantly wasting your money elsewhere then coming back here to whine about how horrible it was? Originally Posted by karmanmia

I personally don't feel like I'm wasting my money... Out of the last 7 BackPage providers I've visited.. I've only had 1 that didn't deliver as promised. As a customer I've saved a significant amount by gambling with unknown providers..

What makes you stop caring about the women who have worked so hard to earn their stripes? Originally Posted by karmanmia

As soon as they forget about me... They get all famous and forget about the guys that took a chance on them when they were a Unknown or "BP girl"....

What makes you stop supporting them? Originally Posted by karmanmia

Price, they simply move out of my comfortable price range, and no longer offer rate that I feel is a good value, If more ladies offered grandfathered rates I would probably repeat more often...

WHAT CAN THE ESTABLISHED VERIFIED PROVIDERS DO TO EARN YOUR CONSISTENT BUSINESS????? Originally Posted by karmanmia

Unfortunately it's what other have pointed out... Price!... There are a ton of newbies/ BP girls/ visitors that offer a similar package of service/looks at a more competitive price...

EDIT: Btw Karma, who are these Providers?... every girl I talk to has more than enough business. Most are currently overwhelmed with call/emails...

And that is absolutely how you should convey the message of price point being a serious issue in Austin!!!!!!!!!!! You simply stated the facts in a clear and concise way. Were I still working and seeking the advice for myself, this is a response I could take to heart. Thank you.

Perhaps this will bring about some compromise on both sides of the hobby fence.. and we can all get back to the air starting to chill .. peak season for festivities, frolicking, and most importantly FUCKING!

*EDIT* Elephant, I can't and won't disclose that to you. And I never said they were all local doll. I believe I said that I gleaned my info from the Private Ladies Powderrooms which are International. And for the record, I too questioned whether they had what it took to be a Pro whose phone rings consistently. Some do, some don't. Hence my starting this thread. To bring to light what a lot of women will simply not hear from other Pros. And of course, to allow all of you to more eloquently state how current economics affect price points where your budgets are concerned.

Well done Elephant....................

Codybeast and Whispers were responding to being called out. The point kittylover made could have been made without directly naming anyone and still get the point across. I was even called into the mix and I have not commented in this thread until now. A response is to be expected and was given.

I prefer to moderate in private between the member and I unless it is an extreme case which I will do "publicly" on the board. All members who have exchanged words with each other have been asked to help keep this thread they way the OP intended in private

Karma this is a very good thread and let's keep further responses along the lines of the topic on hand....

Thanks,.

sixx

Yes, his response was about "being called out", however, I'll say it again and again.. He need not respond in such a fashion. And yes, I do believe I am staying on topic! Thanks.

Oy.. just when you think things are going in the right direction. You guys have a great day! It's nice out.. I'm going to have lunch with an old friend.

And, anyone who thinks, "that's more than I make".. when was the last time you gave your best, wholly and completely to another person, sexually? It's not as easy as you may think.

I, for one, would never think that what you gals do is "easy".... However.... Based on your posts.... You made a CHOICE to do this so we really don't need to know or hear about whether or not it is easy.....

I just want to say one more thing on this topic...some feel that we should be happy to jump at the opportunity to take a low dollar session (just to get a bill paid). Have you stopped to consider that the risk factors are the same, so why should we risk our safety for a lousy 50 or 60 (barely enough for some groceries)?


Well...... What happens if the bill does not get paid? I just took a 40% paycut on what I do without any warning whatsoever. I work one of the more complicated sectors of my profession and largest source of my income reduced what they will pay in the future by 40%....

Will I let a bill go unpaid? Will I whine and complain? Nope... I'll work more and look at other suppliers for a different product to replace that income....


But in the meantime I will take the 60% less, continue to do the work because it is still provides for a better lifestyle than what most can make......

I wonder if those low-ball rates include cim, or sensual touch, extra time to make sure you get msog.....?

Most of the time they do....Not always....

But new girls... not jaded..... unaware of what many indies have driven guys to believe is the "norm" for hourly expectations... are providing excellent service with nonstop play with a freshness and energetic "I wanna rock your world" attitude you don't see elsewhere......
Originally Posted by Crystalkitty

and once again..... You and Kitty must be reading threads I don't see... where is all this talk about $50-$60 sessions?