Yes, another rates thread

Moderators: OBSG should be banned . Scrutinize his comments in all forums. He causes unnecessary drama to get freebies. Likely one who tattle tales to Tara . Originally Posted by doug_dfw

Now that is funny..

Your right, I cannot change the minds of those who act like this. But, making others aware of their behavior may encourage others to also bring them to task and make it clear their activates are noted and not condoned. By not objecting to them at all, their behavior becomes accepted and the norm. If the community at large chastises them then perhaps some will decide its not the thing to do. The victims will see the community at large is not represented by these few assholes. Perhaps more will stay around longer to become the next generation of outstanding providers.

The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing. Edmund Burke

Here is an example thread. Does not matter if you think the gal is crazy to ask so much. What is important is to see how some of these gals get treated when they first arrive. In the past, guys would keep their remarks in private. Now, some seem to feel they do not need to show any respect. Which is the whole point of this thread. There are plenty of other examples to be found.

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1137197 Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

I went and read the $600hr thread. I have to step back and agree with the other guys. Some of the posts in there were funny (especially Manslut's first response). If that was a real intro from a provider and not a fake one or one from a totally off the wall pimp I'd be very surprised. No history, no reviews, no nothing.

Much ado about nada...

You have an information pipeline? I got a PM from a guy, I haven't met, telling me that I needed to see Tara. Guess you are not alone. Originally Posted by OldLRRP

(Excuse the crudeness) You have a guy that gave a girl a bad review after paying her $40. That is Forty Dollars, not One hundred a forty. I've brought a bottle of wine to a session that cost twice that much. If he actually paid $250, it would be a bad review if the pussy didn't sing Yankee Doodle Dandy. Originally Posted by OldLRRP

Im sorry but this was funny!

There are a bunch of welcome wagon trolls that prey on the newer ladies and try to offer "advice" on how they should run their business. Its been going on and probably will never go away ehhhh its life.

From my personal experience running specials do nothing for the volume of requests/appointments i get per week. NOTHING!

I actually do better and get more interest from QUALITY clients at my normal rates than i do when i run specials.

Maybe the girls are just trying to blacklist themselves from the interest from those lowball/troll types from the jump.

There are some good guys left here on eccie who are respectful, generous, and wont try to take advantage of your time or haggle your rates.

There are always the guys who come on with their business statistics and comparisons but they will never get that this is not like any other business. It is much more personal.

If a guy does not want to see me because he feels my rates are too high there are 2 or 3 more behind him more than willing to pay my rates oh and guess what they tip or bring gifts too lol

This is one of those topics that will always be brought up and everyone will have their opinions and eventually agree to disagree on.

You don't know that. Did you bother to read the purpose of the forum? And its an example. There are plenty of others. Guys used to express doubt in private comments. When did it become acceptable to treat new members like that with no proof at all that they are not legit? Its OK to be an ass just because someone wants to be? If you were a new gal considering coming here and saw the way others are treated would you want to still join? Or might you look for other options?

I went and read the $600hr thread. I have to step back and agree with the other guys. Some of the posts in there were funny (especially Manslut's first response). If that was a real intro from a provider and not a fake one or one from a totally off the wall pimp I'd be very surprised. No history, no reviews, no nothing.

Much ado about nada... Originally Posted by SD2011

Im sorry but this was funny!
There are a bunch of welcome wagon trolls that prey on the newer ladies and try to offer "advice" on how they should run their business. Its been going on and probably will never go away ehhhh its life.
From my personal experience running specials do nothing for the volume of requests/appointments i get per week. NOTHING!
I actually do better and get more interest from QUALITY clients at my normal rates than i do when i run specials.
Maybe the girls are just trying to blacklist themselves from the interest from those lowball/troll types from the jump.
There are some good guys left here on eccie who are respectful, generous, and wont try to take advantage of your time or haggle your rates.
There are always the guys who come on with their business statistics and comparisons but they will never get that this is not like any other business. It is much more personal.
If a guy does not want to see me because he feels my rates are too high there are 2 or 3 more behind him more than willing to pay my rates oh and guess what they tip or bring gifts too lol
This is one of those topics that will always be brought up and everyone will have their opinions and eventually agree to disagree on. Originally Posted by Jules Jaguar

That was perfect!! Thank You!!

Im sorry but this was funny!

There are a bunch of welcome wagon trolls that prey on the newer ladies and try to offer "advice" on how they should run their business. Its been going on and probably will never go away ehhhh its life.

From my personal experience running specials do nothing for the volume of requests/appointments i get per week. NOTHING!

I actually do better and get more interest from QUALITY clients at my normal rates than i do when i run specials.

Maybe the girls are just trying to blacklist themselves from the interest from those lowball/troll types from the jump.

There are some good guys left here on eccie who are respectful, generous, and wont try to take advantage of your time or haggle your rates.

There are always the guys who come on with their business statistics and comparisons but they will never get that this is not like any other business. It is much more personal.

If a guy does not want to see me because he feels my rates are too high there are 2 or 3 more behind him more than willing to pay my rates oh and guess what they tip or bring gifts too lol

This is one of those topics that will always be brought up and everyone will have their opinions and eventually agree to disagree on. Originally Posted by Jules Jaguar

Preach!

I was in a strip club and asked the waitress if they served Cajuns. She said of course. I told her I would take a thin petite one.
Seriously, that is my preference. I have a weakness for thin even skinny women ...the spinners. That's not to say I haven't deviated, especially if I have met them.

For the record. Cajuns are French. I had a lady tell me she didn't see African Americans because she saw a thread where I said I was Cajun. Creole is French and black which often produces some stunning women. The French are a friendly group but Creole and Cajun are not interchangeable. I'm fare with blue eyes.

All of the women I used to see have retired or moved on. I'm looking at showcases and making value decisions like everyone else. Above, there are comments from two very stunning women. Both have the same hourly rate (at my age, I need half that time to undress). I would see either one but I have a preference between the two. Now, if the one that appeals to me the most, was much more, I might consider looking elsewhere. Its called window shopping. I'm not going to make a comment about her rate.

I did see the $600 girl. Way to make someone feel welcome. I just thought, I can see two fine women for less that that. At 5'11", that's not my idea of a spinner. Again, it's a value decision.

I did see a girl who was like $200 for an hour and $500 for two. I'm pretty sure that was a mistake. I asked if I could leave for a minute and come back. I wasn't trying to negotiate it's just the smart ass coming out.

This is the only place in the world I am aware of where people can feel ripped off and cheated out of their money without spending a penny.

The original post is way off base. This site is full of the most gentlemanly and intelligent people. These guys calling out GPS are doing so based only on photos and no reviews and they are able to determine exactly what a girl is worth. That is impressive! Gotta be super smart to have that ability. Not to mention the hours analyzing the data. They probably have it in a spreadsheet so they can help the new girls determine what their exact rate needs to be. And they are all truly gentleman. They aren't letting the lady know these things for their own personal gain. They are doing it for the good of the hobby and for guys every where. If that isn't being a gentleman I don't know what is.

The point of the $600 gal thread as an example is it does not matter if you think she was way overpriced or not. Its the way she was treated by a handful of guys. Because they comment often on gals there, they become the face of ECCIE to many new people. That first impression can dictate who joins and how they treat others. Do you really want a few ill mannered guys having a great deal of control over who joins and who you may get to see later? Or not see because they were chased off before they even got started here? Should these few get to decide who is priced right and what services are important?

There is a wide, wide range of people here with a very wide range of interests. All should be welcome until they prove they don't belong, not just because they fit one small clique's definition of desirable. Or don't. But unless more people step up and say this behavior is not right that is exactly want will happen.

The original post is way off base. This site is full of the most gentlemanly and intelligent people. These guys calling out GPS are doing so based only on photos and no reviews and they are able to determine exactly what a girl is worth. That is impressive! Gotta be super smart to have that ability. Not to mention the hours analyzing the data. They probably have it in a spreadsheet so they can help the new girls determine what their exact rate needs to be. And they are all truly gentleman. They aren't letting the lady know these things for their own personal gain. They are doing it for the good of the hobby and for guys every where. If that isn't being a gentleman I don't know what is. Originally Posted by mydallas1

I agree. There is no way that a guy can tell if a new provider, or any provider for that matter, has GPS just because of how much her chosen donation is. Although he can have an opinion on what is and is not too much for him to pay for a session, he would be wise to keep that to himself and not letting his opinion be known out in the open, especially in the WW forum. And, just like the OP wants everyone to think his all his mostly jaded opinions are facts, stating them as such, some guys think that overpriced means GPS.

Some of these girls will price their donation based upon need and how fast they need it. Usually, if they stay in the business, their rates will go down to the normal average of the rest of the providers eventually. Guys that do not want to pay her starting out rate of what they think is too high, then they have the right to not see her and wait for others who did take that plunge and see what their reviews entail. But to birate them because they think the donation is too high, for whatever reason, just shows their lack of class and couth, once again, similar to the OP of this thread wants to call others names and belittle other's opinions when they are different than his with his lack of class and couth.

I agree. There is no way that a guy can tell if a new provider, or any provider for that matter has GPS just because of how much her chosen donation is. But, he can have an opinion on what is and is not too much for him to pay for a session. And, just like the OP wants everyone to think his all his mostly jaded opinions are facts, stating them as such, some guys think that overpriced means GPS.

Some of these girls will price their donation based upon need and how fast they need it. Usually, if they stay in the business, their rates will go down to the normal average of the rest of the providers eventually. Guys that do not want to pay her starting out rate of what they think is too high, then they have the right to not see her and wait for others who did take that plunge and see what their reviews entail. But to birate them because they think the donation is too high, for whatever reason, just shows their lack of class and couth, once again, similar to the OP of this thread wants to call others names and belittle other's opinions when they are different than his with his lack of class and couth. Originally Posted by davidfree986

Mr Smith, Mr Smith, Mr Smith, if you care so little what I think, why are you cyber stalking me and taking pot shots at me every chance you can? Sounds a little obsessive to me. Maybe you need counseling?

This may be of help to some or at-least shed some light onto this subject.

Nothing agreeth worse/Than a lady’s heart and a beggar’s purse. – John Heywood

The story is told that George Bernard Shaw was once at a party and said to a woman that anyone would agree to do anything for money, if the price was high enough. “Surely not,” she said.
“Oh yes,” he said.
“Well, I wouldn’t,” she said.
“Oh yes you would,” he said. “For instance, would you sleep with me for… for a million pounds?”
“Well,” she said, “maybe for a million I would, yes.”
“Would you do it for ten shillings?” asked Shaw.
“Certainly not!” said the woman; “What do you take me for? A prostitute?”
“We’ve established that already,” said Shaw; “Now we’re just trying to fix your price.”

It is a strange but true fact that the annual incomes of most competent providers except for those at the very top (popular porn stars) and those at the very bottom (the most exploited brothel girls and most degraded streetwalkers) tend to fall very roughly into the same general range. This is because those who charge more attract fewer customers and therefore earn fewer fees, while those who charge less earn a higher number of their cheaper fees. Providers in large and wealthy cities can command higher fees on average, but of course the cost of living and doing business in those cities is also proportionately higher so their net income is similar even if their gross income is much larger. Girls who do a higher number of calls with cheap clients put themselves at far higher risk of disease, rape, assault, arrest, exhaustion and psychological burnout than their sisters in the higher echelons. The key to maximizing one’s profits is to realistically assess the market value of one’s services in one’s own market and to charge the highest price which that market will bear without exceeding the point of diminishing returns; of course, finding that point may take careful observation and trial and error.
Though some independent escorts in every city may offer discounts from time to time when the market is slow due to the economic climate or seasonal slumps; some girls get so desperate they will cut their already subnormal prices even lower. If a man cannot come up with at least $300 it means he cannot afford $300, which in turn means that the money is dearer to him than to a more affluent client and he will be more likely to try to get every last penny’s worth out of his escort’s hide; ,Such a client will often be rougher and far more demanding, and nine times out of ten will cause the girl to exceed the agreed-upon time. As an experienced escort told me when I first started, “The less they pay, the more they want,” and I found that to be absolutely true. Another factor, of course, is that prices under $300 attract a poorer clientele who are less likely to have perfect health and may not be as wary of public exposure as professional men usually are, which creates an unacceptable security risk!!

Mr Smith, Mr Smith, Mr Smith, if you care so little what I think, why are you cyber stalking me and taking pot shots at me every chance you can? Sounds a little obsessive to me. Maybe you need counseling? Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

Unlike you, I was attempting to stay on the subject of this thread. It is unreal you hijacking your own thread, but you do that to many other threads with your agenda seeking posts. As I have told you before, you can call me any name you want, and your using the same words I have said against you as far as the cyber stalking, pot shots and seeking counseling of which I told you to do. Perhaps you have nothing original you can come up with as your accusatory bs of former handles (you are the last person to implicate anyone else of having a former past handle), and name calling posts you have done to me are getting old, especially since you have nothing to back what you say other than your opinion you state as fact. But, I will tell you, the consistency of your posts that most everyone is lower than you is there for all members who challenge your opinionated facts, "In my opinion, it is a fact that my opinions are facts. That is a fact, in my opinion". But you often contradict yourself in your later posts maybe because you post so much, that you forget what you say half the time in earlier posts!