John McCain dead at 81

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Bullshit. Nobody called him "songbird" until he was smeared with that epithet during the 2008 campaign, 35 years after his POW release. He wrote a book in which he admitted giving the NV his ship's name and squadron number. When they asked for the names of his squadron members, he said he gave the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line. There is zero evidence that he gave any "flight intel... which led to more aircraft being shot down." McCain was shot down in October 1967. A few months later he was placed in solitary confinement. For two fucking years. You don't get thrown into solitary for 2 years for cooperating with your captors. After 2 years, most of what he knew would have been obsolete. By then, the NV figured they could score more propaganda points by bringing him out of solitary and pretending to the world he was being treated humanely.

I disagree with parts of his voting record, but that's politics. That's fair game. I am disgusted with anyone who suggests he wasn't enough of a combat hero, or even worse, tries to smear him as some kind of Jane Fonda traitor. Especially within 24 hours of the man's death. Originally Posted by lustylad

Very well said. Thank you.
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Bullshit. Nobody called him "songbird" until he was smeared with that epithet during the 2008 campaign, 35 years after his POW release. He wrote a book in which he admitted giving the NV his ship's name and squadron number. When they asked for the names of his squadron members, he said he gave the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line. There is zero evidence that he gave any "flight intel... which led to more aircraft being shot down." McCain was shot down in October 1967. A few months later he was placed in solitary confinement. For two fucking years. You don't get thrown into solitary for 2 years for cooperating with your captors. After 2 years, most of what he knew would have been obsolete. By then, the NV figured they could score more propaganda points by bringing him out of solitary and pretending to the world he was being treated humanely.

I disagree with parts of his voting record, but that's politics. That's fair game. I am disgusted with anyone who suggests he wasn't enough of a combat hero, or even worse, tries to smear him as some kind of Jane Fonda traitor. Especially within 24 hours of the man's death. Originally Posted by lustylad
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It's amazing how libs. can now defend the man they once denounced and hated! The man was never in solitary confinement, he was enjoying the perks of being a traitor! The biggest proof is the testimonials from his own peers that were there in the pow camp! Mccain was never trusted, not by his military peers nor by any President that was in office while being a senator.
I say rip to Him, but he was no hero or role model!
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It's amazing how libs. can now defend the man they once denounced and hated! The man was never in solitary confinement, he was enjoying the perks of being a traitor! The biggest proof is the testimonials from his own peers that were there in the pow camp! Originally Posted by winn dixie
Oh, really? When you say "peers that were there" do you mean like James Stockdale, Congressional Medal of Honor Awardee and Ross Perot's 1992 running mate?

And yes, I agree many of the libs are hideous hypocrites to be praising him now.


November 26, 1999

John McCain in the Crucible

By JAMES B. STOCKDALE

CORONADO, Calif. -- I am not surprised by reports that Senator John McCain's political enemies have been spreading rumors that his famous temper is a sign of a broader "instability" caused by his imprisonment in Vietnam.

In fact, a few weeks ago I received a call from an old friend who is also close to the George W. Bush campaign soliciting comments on Mr. McCain's "weaknesses." As I told that caller, I think John McCain is solid as a rock.

And I consider it blasphemy to smudge the straight-arrow prisoner-of-war record of a man who was near death when he arrived at Hoa Loa prison 1967: both arms broken, left leg broken, left shoulder broken by a civilian with a rifle butt.

He was eventually taken to the same rat-infested hospital room I had occupied two years earlier, and, like me, he had surgery on his leg. By then the Vietnamese had discovered that his father was the ranking admiral in the Pacific Fleet, and he received an offer that, as far as I know, was made to no other American prisoner: immediate release, no strings attached. He refused, thereby sentencing himself to four more years in a cell.

There was a special cramped and hot privy-like structure in that Hanoi prison reserved for whichever American was causing the Vietnamese the most trouble. I was the first in the camp to be locked up in it, and I gave it the name Calcutta.

There was only room for one person at a time in the cage, and after a couple of months I was taken out and marched back to a regular cell. As I limped along, I sneaked a peek at my replacement: John McCain, hobbling along on his own bad leg.


As one of the few Americans who spent more than four years in solitary confinement during that war, I know that pride and self-respect lead to aggressiveness, and aggressiveness leads to a deep sense of joy when one is under pressure. This is hardly a character flaw.

The military psychiatrists who periodically examine former prisoners of war have found that the more resistant a man was to harsh treatment, the more emotionally stable he is likely to become later in life.

The troublemakers who endured long stretches in solitary, the men we called the tigers, are for the most part more in tune with themselves now than are those who chose the easier path of nonconfrontation, which made them "deserving" of cell mates. The psychiatrists tell us that many of those prisoners who chose a more docile existence missed out on the joy of "getting even" after release; some look back on their performances with regret.

The psychiatrists have it partly right, but the truth of imprisonment is best learned from the writings of men who have spent a lot of time in cells, like Dostoyevsky, Cervantes and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. The last described his feeling of high-mindedness in his gulag writings:

"And it was only when I lay there on rotting prison straw that I sensed within myself the first stirrings of good. Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either -- but right through every human heart -- and through all human hearts. . . .

And that is why I turn back to the years of my imprisonment and say, sometimes to the astonishment of those about me: 'Bless you, prison!' "

I understand that, and so does John McCain.

James B. Stockdale, a retired Navy Vice Admiral, was the Reform Party vice-presidential candidate in 1992.
That ludicrous. So if you don’t like a female candidate, you’re a misogynist?

Ironic you would bring that up, friendly fred. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider
That is the mantra of the left, and yes it is ironic my fellow Reagan supporter.
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This is one of those times that if you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all..

Geezzzz they haven't even planted him yet.

Let the poor Fucker die in peace

Everyone deserves at least that.
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This is one of those times that if you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all. Originally Posted by TheDaliLama
Actually, that is now true at all times, in all forums...including this one.
I’m still walking around with a hardon from this assholes death
Yssup Rider's Avatar
This is one of those times that if you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all..

Geezzzz they haven't even planted him yet.

Let the poor Fucker die in peace

Everyone deserves at least that. Originally Posted by TheDaliLama
Agreed.

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I know that many do not put much faith in Snopes but if you can provide any proof to the contrary please do so: Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Sure..


https://rightedition.com/2017/02/18/...erans-captors/


https://oathkeepers.org/2016/08/brea...ding-released/
You know I'm hearing all this stuff about how Trump did not praise McCann enough. Well, everybody knows they didn't like each other so why be a hypocrite about it? Oh wait - if Trump did heap a lot of accolades on McCann the liberals would call him a hypocrite. SMH
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Sure..


https://rightedition.com/2017/02/18/...erans-captors/


https://oathkeepers.org/2016/08/brea...ding-released/ Originally Posted by garhkal
Thanks for the links. I guess it's up to each of us to decide for ourselves which sources of information to believe.
Yssup Rider's Avatar
Who's McCann?
Trump is a hypocrite. And many other things!!!
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Trump is a hypocrite. And many other things!!! Originally Posted by SweetArielRae

many of them good .. for America. liberal pundits and thinkers won't agree of course but America needs a Bully President. Trump is the prefect President at the right time to counter the threat of globalism to US sovereignty. Trump is bullying the world and they need their collective butts kicked. It's long past time for America to continue propping up the World. at our expense.

if the World can't function without America being "the leader of the free world (sic)" then they are failures as nations.