And The Envelope Please...

'Course, it always makes me feel like I'm Paulie Walnuts giving Tony his cut... Originally Posted by Gryphon

+1 That's right! That's how they passed the cash on the Sopranos.

Leave the envelope (on the table). Take any leftover canolis (but leave a few for a tip).

Alright so you have caught our fore mothers. They had stock in white envelopes and they passed the tradition down to us.....giggle

I don't care for envelopes really... just nonchalantly place it somewhere while you are getting dressed after our shower.....you might not think I see it but I DO...No need to speak about your gift to me.

AND I am thinking I need to go to OK....Oh My Goodness Tiffany Cums....yummmm!!! Road trip!!

Is anyone able to explain the real purpose of putting the "donation" in a plain envelope? Is it just a Hobby Legend or does it have a verifiable purpose? Originally Posted by awl4knot

I actually never cared why anyone wanted an envelope. I felt most comfortable counting the money, putting into an envelope and dropping discreetly prior to the session to get that out of the way.

Again, I am told that many ladies openly count the money, so why the charade?

You mean you're posting this question based on second hand information? Personally, I never once encountered a provider who counted the money while I was even there until I went out of my way to hint that she ought to count it and I gave her a way to do it discreetly. (I was always really paranoid about miscounting and didn't want to deal with any misunderstandings if that happened.) Since I excused myself, I'm not sure if anyone ever did count it until I left. I really can't ever recall money coming up other than my initial contact requesting a multihour rate. Just put the money in the envelope, drop it discreetly and let the provider del with it in whatever way makes her happiest.

I have had gentlmen make excuses to leave the room, or leave the donation in the bathroom...ect., and a few times they even suggest that I count it...and even though I know better then to admit to this in public...I just don't count it, or even care how much is there, until afterwards...when we part ways. Then I take a look at what I have. If it's short, I mention it only the next time he calls for a date. I have never had it be any shorter then 50, and that has only happend once.

I have also noticed that if he doesn't pay me until after the date, and he is pulling it out of his wallet, then more times then not there's a tip included. Also, I get tips more if the money is fanned out and I don't touch it until afterwards...they just lay down a little more on the pile. If it's already inside of an envelope, I have never had a gentleman open the envelope and add more to it.

I guess I have been really lucky...and being low volume probably has a lot to do with the luck. All of my men have also been very wonderful to me. Maybe that's just Oklahoma for you?

You mean you're posting this question based on second hand information? Originally Posted by npita

Nope and yep. I've had two providers count the money in my presence but I've seen posts from "respected" mongers who said that they've had providers count the loot in front of them.

Should I not trust what other mongers say? Or is there a first person information requirement before a guy can ask a question around here?

BTW, I usually place the envelope where it can be seen and then go for a short shower. I assume that if it's counted, that's when it's done.

Awl4knot

quote---BTW, I usually place the envelope where it can be seen and then go for a short shower. I assume that if it's counted, that's when it's done.


thats the best way to do it!

I f I meet on the street I put it in there their hand. At a restaurant it's in the menu. At a hotel I'm counting it out. I know this is a business.

I am surprised no one has suggested a little foreplay of "where is the envelope on my person?"

I am surprised no one has suggested a little foreplay of "where is the envelope on my person?" Originally Posted by pyramider

I had one at the end of the session, picks up his wallet, then puts it down...then picks it up...then puts it down...like he was playing 'keep away' so he could get a little extra time....
Yeah, I snatched that wallet out of his hands...and I took the donation...
But it was all done with good humor....he was fun...I surely would like to see him again!

Back to the original question.

I love reading and my favorites are the very early writings of sexual matters. Cant' definitively say why but in the earliest writings from India, China and Japan this convention was mentioned. Courtesans were respected and the donation was considered to be a gift not a payment. A convention in China was to use a red envelope.

I use this myself as it is easy to pick them up in packs of 20 for a couple of dollars at most Asian grocery stores and gift shops, at least in Houston. They may be Happy New year or Happy birthday, but they are pretty and unmistakably a gift envelope.

The original question is why did the convention develop? I agree that it generally works but it does seem that many don't follow it. Do you know how the tradition developed? Originally Posted by awl4knot

The "envelope" is just a nice,tasteful,discreet way of giving your donation. Originally Posted by Sierra Colleen

I'm on the look out for red envelopes then! If I find them, I will buy some for my regulars! See how the ladies react to them once they use them...will be interesting!

Back to the original question.

I love reading and my favorites are the very early writings of sexual matters. Cant' definitively say why but in the earliest writings from India, China and Japan this convention was mentioned. Courtesans were respected and the donation was considered to be a gift not a payment. A convention in China was to use a red envelope.

I use this myself as it is easy to pick them up in packs of 20 for a couple of dollars at most Asian grocery stores and gift shops, at least in Houston. They may be Happy New year or Happy birthday, but they are pretty and unmistakably a gift envelope. Originally Posted by seanes

Now we are talking. This is great. I'm going to go to an Asian market and see if I can find some red envelopes. This is the sort of thing that you can use to break the ice by explaining how it is part of tradition that is hundreds, if not thousands, of years old. We aren't just going to rut for money, we are paying homage to those great providers and mongers who went before us. It's a truly noble act.

I think I may be going too far with this, but this is what I was looking for. seanes, you didn't just pull this off the internet, did you?

If it's already inside of an envelope, I have never had a gentleman open the envelope and add more to it.

I always put the tip in the envelope with the fee before the session so that I didn't have to add to it later.

I always put the tip in the envelope with the fee before the session so that I didn't have to add to it later. Originally Posted by npita

This is true...just today I found a nice large tip inside of an envelope....I was just stating that I tend to receive more tips when the donation is given differantly.