Inquiries and Impeachment of Trump

Evidently my post went right over your head.

Glass houses... let he who is without sin... the emperor has no clothes, etc. Originally Posted by lustylad

your side keeps saying the transcript/phone call was beautiful and perfect. so why make the "he who is without sin" defense?

. Ukraine military aid held up at Trump's direction, State Dept. witness expected to say

Catherine Croft, a Ukraine specialist who was an aide to former special envoy Kurt Volker, is expected to testify Wednesday that she was part of a July meeting with the White House Office of Management and Budget in which an official said the hold on military aid to Ukraine came “at the direction of the president,” according to her opening statement.

Meanwhile, former Volker aide Christopher Anderson is expected to testify Wednesday that Trump personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s attempt to urge the Ukrainian government to open investigations into Trump's political rivals, including the Bidens, was discussed at a Ukraine strategy meeting at the Department of Energy in June.

your side keeps saying the transcript/phone call was beautiful and perfect. so why make the "he who is without sin" defense? Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I'm not calling it a sin. You are... by trying to make something impeachable out of conduct your side regularly engages in!

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life, that’s my motto Trumptard. Originally Posted by Jaxson66

And that's your "message" to fair-minded voters? How uplifting.

We must impeach the mofo for something we do all the time!

Yeah, that'll work.

I'm not calling it a sin. You are... by trying to make something impeachable out of conduct your side regularly engages in! Originally Posted by lustylad

so you think Biden's use of his position to enrich his Son is ok? sounds like it..

Sure you will Originally Posted by Jaxson66

Well, maybe not you. You have rocks for brains.

so you think Biden's use of his position to enrich his Son is ok? sounds like it.. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

You know that's not what I said. Look at it this way - Biden's quid pro quo was to provide cover for his son's corruption. Trump's was to expose it.

Get it now?

You know that's not what I said. Look at it this way - Biden's quid pro quo was to provide cover for his son's corruption. Trump's was to expose it.

Get it now? Originally Posted by lustylad

nope..

your side totally made that shit up after the fact of getting exposed for scheming to get dirt on Biden, Trump's (then) likely opponent in 2020. Trump and Guiliani were not seeking "justice" in the Biden matter.. bullshit. if that was it, why have Rudy cavort about secretly, meeting with shadow figures, getting paid by 2 Dudes who are now in prison? the Burisma/Biden/Nepotism "investigation" shit would have been public and open, if it was REAL

nope..

your side totally made that shit up after the fact of getting exposed for scheming to get dirt on Biden, Trump's (then) likely opponent in 2020. Trump and Guiliani were not seeking "justice" in the Biden matter.. bullshit. if that was it, why have Rudy cavort about secretly, meeting with shadow figures, getting paid by 2 Dudes who are now in prison? the Burisma/Biden/Nepotism "investigation" shit would have been public and open, if it was REAL Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Whoa, take a deep breath and calm down, chungy. I'm all in favor of being "public and open" - hmmm, does that apply to the Schiff hearings too?

Some reports claim trumpy was urging the new Ukrainian President to hold a press conference to announce the anti-corruption probe. Would that be "public and open" enough for you?

The dirt on Biden was always out there but the MSM ignored it to cover up any hint of scandal for their frontrunner. Trump understandably wanted to shine a spotlight on it. So what if it was partly for partisan reasons? Do you or don't you want to clean up corruption in Ukraine before we pour your hard-earned tax dollars down that rabbit hole?

And nearly everyone in that shithole country is "shadowy". Perhaps you can find someone respectable over there for Giuliani to deal with?

(Correction - most of the women in Ukraine aren't shadowy, they're gorgeous!)

so you think Biden's use of his position to enrich his Son is ok? Originally Posted by Chung Tran

the Burisma/Biden/Nepotism "investigation" shit would have been public and open, if it was REAL Originally Posted by Chung Tran

^^^ Hey chungy, you should try not to contradict yourself so blatantly, especially in consecutive posts.

"Biden's use of his position to enrich his son" is definitely REAL.

Whoa, take a deep breath and calm down, chungy. I'm all in favor of being "public and open" - hmmm, does that apply to the Schiff hearings too?

Some reports claim trumpy was urging the new Ukrainian President to hold a press conference to announce the anti-corruption probe. Would that be "public and open" enough for you? He can not use the office to go after a political rival. He can not ask a forgien government to work with fucking Rudy who is not part of the government.

The dirt on Biden was always out there but the MSM ignored it to cover up any hint of scandal for their frontrunner. Trump understandably wanted to shine a spotlight on it. So what if it was partly for partisan reasons? Do you or don't you want to clean up corruption in Ukraine before we pour your hard-earned tax dollars down that rabbit hole?

And nearly everyone in that shithole country is "shadowy". Perhaps you can find someone respectable over there for Giuliani to deal with?

(Correction - most of the women in Ukraine aren't shadowy, they're gorgeous!) Originally Posted by lustylad

Trumps campaign can get dirt on Biden's son.

What Trump can not do is use the office of President to influence those investigations....which he has clearly done and you have admitted as much.

It is really simple.

You and the Trumpettes are trying to muddy the water.

"Biden's use of his position to enrich his son" is definitely REAL. Originally Posted by lustylad

I mean the alleged investigation by Trump into that activity. that is NOT real. the story is a red herring.

and no, the Ukraine President announcing an investigation now, is too late.. transparency would be last Spring, announcing hopes for a Biden investigation, before sending Guiliani to act as a shadow, unvetted Government-sponsored Lackey, to receive money from Dudes now imprisoned.

He can not use the office to go after a political rival. He can not ask a forgien (sic) government to work with fucking Rudy who is not part of the government. Originally Posted by WTF

Yeah I guess that's why FDR should have been impeached for using Harry Hopkins and hildebeest should have resigned as SOS for using Sidney Blumenthal.

And maybe you should impeach trumpy every time he denounces a political rival while standing at a podium with the Seal of the POTUS on it!

When a dim-retard does that it's called maximizing the advantages of incumbency, right?

Trumps campaign can get dirt on Biden's son.

What Trump can not do is use the office of President to influence those investigations....

It is really simple. Originally Posted by WTF

Yeah it's simple to simple-minded simpletons like you!

Asking for an investigation to be conducted is not influencing or pre-judging its outcome in any way.

But you're obviously too fucking simple-minded to grasp that.

I mean the alleged investigation by Trump into that activity. that is NOT real. the story is a red herring. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Huh? So now you're arguing there was never any push by trump to investigate the Biden scandal? Well, alrighty then! Call off the impeachment hearings! They obviously offend your sense of "public and open" anyway.

and no, the Ukraine President announcing an investigation now, is too late. transparency would be last Spring, announcing hopes for a Biden investigation, before sending Guiliani to act as a shadow, unvetted Government-sponsored Lackey, to receive money from Dudes now imprisoned. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Huh? It's too late? Is there a statute of limitations on the Biden scandal? You do realize Zelensky was just elected Ukraine President in late April, right? Do you think it would have been appropriate for trump to raise the issue on his initial congratulatory phone call? Or maybe, just maybe it would be more polite to wait a few months until the guy found his political footing and put together a cabinet in Kiev?

Btw all of Giuliani's trips and investigations have been well known. Heck, he's been appearing on FOX for months talking about the need to focus on the Biden-Ukraine shenanigans. The only shadowy aspect to his investigation was the way dim-retards kept trying to set him up.

So chungy, you want to hear something truly shadowy? Two words - Joseph Mifsud. He was the catalyst behind the DOJ's announcement last week that the Durham investigation is now a CRIMINAL matter.

Wanna talk about that shadow creature, chungy? For starters, maybe you can ask Brennan and Clapper where he's hiding.

Huh? So now you're arguing there was never any push by trump to investigate the Biden scandal? Well, alrighty then! Call off the impeachment hearings!
Huh? It's too late? Is there a statute of limitations on the Biden scandal? You do realize Zelensky was just elected Ukraine President in late April, right? Originally Posted by lustylad

I'm saying Trump started the Biden "investigation" via Guiliani, last March. the phone call, the "by the way, can you do something for us"? part, did not originate at that time. Trump wants us to think it did, because Guiliani's doings are the worst of this whole matter.

"investigation" in quotes, because it is about obtaining dirt, not a REAL legal-type investigation. that part is Horseshit.