Hobby perspective after some years?

In short, since I started, when all I needed was something a couple of steps above a 'blow-up doll', I have changed in my desires. I now don't just want the 'happy ending'. I want a happy experience that sex just happens to be a part of and more importantly, a lady that wouldn't mind my calling again. Originally Posted by Bbare1

Well said, sir. I wish I could have put it as simply and eloquently as that.

EasyLover, good points but some of us guys get after the W&I girls for the thrill of the chase, the hunt...the unknown...and there have been some really nice catch and releases there.

You see a hot-looking girl and there are no pre-conceived notions, via Reviews, Mens Lounge info, etc. They're like...the innocent wildebeest on the Serengeti waiting to be taken...

These girls gotta start somewhere and a lot of them get burned out quickly and don't last very long due to ignorance, lousy management, unreliable TCB skills or...they're just not gonna have sex with a fat, yellow, smelly, old, bald, toothless, hopeless, dickless guy. No matter what he pays her.

I just want to see her before she gets to that point.

The mysogony is what I've found most surprising (since i thought the hobby was supposed to be about enjoying women). But yes you are right, there are a group of gents who genuinely despise women, especially the ones who get paid to fcuk.

Oh well though, I wish I could stand up and pee. Doesn't mean I'm gonna hate you bc I can't. Originally Posted by thathottnurse

I never understood women haters ether, I think women are the greatest
thing on Gods planet.

Some of those guys should go try living on a deserted women free island
for a while and see if it doesn't give them a different perspective on life.

I think the good women (in all walks of life, whatever her profession)
are the only ones keeping this world even slightly sane and tolerable.

Isn't IOP somewhat Romantic Samantha? ... makes me smile too
A lady that delivers IOP in a way where reviewer comment is: "I forgot it was a service" has found the purpose ...

This post made me smile. :-) It sounds romantic! Originally Posted by samantha thom

i agree with you about the thrill of the hunt Prolongus, I did it some years ago and I stopped because the hit and miss ratio was not good ... Sometimes I would find a hidden Jewel and sometimes I would regret the visit to the point of thinking: Why I didnt call one of my ATF's?

Im curious ... How your hit and miss ratio has been? ... has it been satisfactory?

These girls gotta start somewhere and a lot of them get burned out quickly and don't last very long due to ignorance, lousy management, unreliable TCB skills or...they're just not gonna have sex with a fat, yellow, smelly, old, bald, toothless, hopeless, dickless guy. No matter what he pays her. Originally Posted by Prolongus

Coming from the opposite perspective, the more I hobby the less patience I have with providers who don't put much into it -- not much thought, preparation or effort. THN has distinguished herself in this thread, for sure.

Some of those guys should go try living on a deserted women free island
for a while and see if it doesn't give them a different perspective on life. Originally Posted by bojulay

+1! Like the difference between the kids who are grateful for the 1 or 2 new toys they got for Christmas, treating them well so they last a long time vs the kids who are buried in a mountain of new techie toys and can still find a reason to be pissed off about it.

Its the difference between acting like a spoiled, entitled brats or a genuinely grown man.

There are those more rare types though that get all the toys they want and take care of them. Many of are wonderful gents here in Dallas reflect that quality.

Overall spoiled brats tend to ruin pretty much everything: society, the economy, the legal system, the workplace, the home, the hobby, all of it. They just like to shit on things for pleasure of smelling their own stench.

And we love them for it.

i agree with you about the thrill of the hunt Prolongus, I did it some years ago and I stopped because the hit and miss ratio was not good ... Sometimes I would find a hidden Jewel and sometimes I would regret the visit to the point of thinking: Why I didnt call one of my ATF's?

Im curious ... How your hit and miss ratio has been? ... has it been satisfactory? Originally Posted by DarthDVader

Mine was good this year, Darth. These ladies were definitely hits: Raeleen, Angel Dreams, Lady Bug (Jennifer), Bella2013 and recently, X'nyce. But...they have moved or retired except for X'nyce. There were some others I tried and bewildered newbies that they are, never saw 'em. And they weren't NCNS, either; they just did not have the TCB skills.

Every guy has a different perspective on how to hobby, what makes them happy. Mine seems to change every now and then. When I hunt for some strange, I really want it to be unexpected and no preconceived notions.

OK, back to the W&I, lol...OMG, like these:
http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=939007
http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=939257

EasyLover, good points but some of us guys get after the W&I girls for the thrill of the chase, the hunt...the unknown...and there have been some really nice catch and releases there.

You see a hot-looking girl and there are no pre-conceived notions, via Reviews, Mens Lounge info, etc. They're like...the innocent wildebeest on the Serengeti waiting to be taken...

These girls gotta start somewhere and a lot of them get burned out quickly and don't last very long due to ignorance, lousy management, unreliable TCB skills or...they're just not gonna have sex with a fat, yellow, smelly, old, bald, toothless, hopeless, dickless guy. No matter what he pays her.

I just want to see her before she gets to that point. Originally Posted by Prolongus

Appreciate you explaining about the welcome wagon - I like the reviewed girls that know what they're doing so I guess I just have a different comfort level enjoying the known. But you view makes sense.

See you've talked to some of the ladies that have seen me

Likewise, the market has pretty close to perfect information. Prices are transparently advertised and the quality of services is openly reviewed. All of those factors, low barriers to entry, near perfect information, close substitution all come together to keep the market very much driven by supply and demand. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

That's nothing new, Mr. TushHog. I passed my economics classes too.

But what you don't factor in is the humanity behind it all. This is an emotion-driven business. Not every woman doing this is in a race to rent. And not every man buying pussy is a hobbyist. And the only way you can compare us to Cola is if you're sticking your cock in the can/bottle hole. Because of that, there's always going to be a demand. And ample supply. It's the way it's always been.

Even in a time of plenty, there will be some companions that will be starving because they don't have any idea on how to make changes for the better. The same low quality product with a lower price doesn't make it sellable. Please refer to Easy Lover's list.

Also, a man's economic status plays a lot on his alternatives. The financially astute will be fine for a certain period of time before he starts worrying about money during a crisis. His emotional need (whether he sees a lady once a week or twice a year) will determine who gets those dollars.

Economic downturns create their own demands. The need for companionship is at an all time high when men are stressed out and unsure of their financial future. But the kicker is that some men are less likely to use the more emotionally heavier alternatives to get a BJ. It's too much work. If the wife wasn't giving out BJ's BEFORE he lost his job, especially if he's more 'prickly' since he lost it, she's not likely to start now. Start a conversation with an easy chick at the bar with 'I just lost my job due to downsizing...' and you're almost assured to walk out without her.

If you want to compare this industry to anything, you want to do it to cigarettes. Nothing keeps a smoker from his cigarettes. Not even unemployment. You can try to quit, but you will still bum a loosey from somebody when you get stressed. Men can get rather creative trying to get that extra money to get his needs met, which in turn stimulates the economy.

The money's always going to be out there at every price point. It's a matter of doing what it takes to get it.

This business is very complex and offers endless opportunities for women with the savvy to recognize this. For the men, it is not simply paying for sex. They are paying to have a good time with a woman. In their day to day lives, they deal with stress at work and responsibility at home. The affection they long for is put on the back burner behind everyone else's needs. When a man calls and makes an appointment....guys that are not big time hobbyists...they are so looking forward to it. It is a total escape from the ordinary.

They may have had bad experiences, but it is important to them so they try again. If they decide to call me, and we meet, they will get the service they are looking for from a woman that exceeds expectation in looks and intelligence. I love watching them come in nervous and relax more and more until they are talking and laughing. I love when they start off self conscious and unsure about there sexuality and turn into champions.

There is no other job on earth that allows greater access to human emotion. Any service provider would kill to leave such an impression on their clients. It is a girls responsibility to bring out those feelings and appreciate them but not try to manipulate them. A good provider is a powerful woman, but abusing that power is certain downfall.

I could go on but I won't. That's how I see it.

^
Someone make that required reading for every provider everywhere.

That's perhaps the greatest description, from the other side, I've ever seen about how I have come to view the hobby. It's not just an (expensive) hobby; it's an opportunity, with the right partner, to experience feelings that, if I've ever had them, were felt so long ago that they are new again, a sense of closeness to someone that I cannot get anywhere else. The good ones know that for many of us, it's not a service they're providing, it's, at its most extreme, initimacy, and, at its least, an enjoyable escape from reality for an hour.

Sorry, the previous post awakened the romantic in me. Back to cynic mode.

Well, after the short time av been here in, quitting twice unsuccessfully, I believe long term, I am screwed if I stay on. I am getting more demanding demanding of my other social relationships than I used to b.

My requirements have changed, from starting off curious about what professionals in entertaining a man may offer above the regular civilian, or what it feels like to b with a pornstar, and going to what is the next flavor of the month, and moving on to what is the best value for $$ I can get, and it seems like the cycle repeats when new blood joins eccie.

In the past, I never cared for coed, or review comments or other stuff on eccie, and now I find it entertaining so I log in more often than when I started. Also changed is my preference, from the spinner, and short sessions of only adult entertainment to friendliness and more sensual requirements that are wholesome, something I only used to demand from my civilian relationships. In other words, from curiosity to a search for much deeper human interactions. Well, needless to say big brain has been telling me to leave since I joined before my real civilian relationships start to suffer, small brain is still winning at the moment but lately big brain is getting louder. Hoping big brain wins.

This business is very complex and offers endless opportunities for women with the savvy to recognize this. For the men, it is not simply paying for sex. They are paying to have a good time with a woman. In their day to day lives, they deal with stress at work and responsibility at home. The affection they long for is put on the back burner behind everyone else's needs. When a man calls and makes an appointment....guys that are not big time hobbyists...they are so looking forward to it. It is a total escape from the ordinary.

They may have had bad experiences, but it is important to them so they try again. If they decide to call me, and we meet, they will get the service they are looking for from a woman that exceeds expectation in looks and intelligence. I love watching them come in nervous and relax more and more until they are talking and laughing. I love when they start off self conscious and unsure about there sexuality and turn into champions.

There is no other job on earth that allows greater access to human emotion. Any service provider would kill to leave such an impression on their clients. It is a girls responsibility to bring out those feelings and appreciate them but not try to manipulate them. A good provider is a powerful woman, but abusing that power is certain downfall.

I could go on but I won't. That's how I see it. Originally Posted by !!Sexy Erotic Morgan

Wow! One of the wisest ladies on this board!

For the past few months I've had several sessions looking for a lady with your mindset and understanding and I'm to the point that I'm ready to quit hobbying and spend my money on tools for my workshop. I think, though, before I buy that new table saw I need to spend some time with you for one last chance! I believe we would enjoy each other's company.

That's nothing new, Mr. TushHog. I passed my economics classes too.

But what you don't factor in is the humanity behind it all. This is an emotion-driven business. Not every woman doing this is in a race to rent. And not every man buying pussy is a hobbyist. And the only way you can compare us to Cola is if you're sticking your cock in the can/bottle hole. Because of that, there's always going to be a demand. And ample supply. It's the way it's always been.

Even in a time of plenty, there will be some companions that will be starving because they don't have any idea on how to make changes for the better. The same low quality product with a lower price doesn't make it sellable. Please refer to Easy Lover's list.

Also, a man's economic status plays a lot on his alternatives. The financially astute will be fine for a certain period of time before he starts worrying about money during a crisis. His emotional need (whether he sees a lady once a week or twice a year) will determine who gets those dollars.

Economic downturns create their own demands. The need for companionship is at an all time high when men are stressed out and unsure of their financial future. But the kicker is that some men are less likely to use the more emotionally heavier alternatives to get a BJ. It's too much work. If the wife wasn't giving out BJ's BEFORE he lost his job, especially if he's more 'prickly' since he lost it, she's not likely to start now. Start a conversation with an easy chick at the bar with 'I just lost my job due to downsizing...' and you're almost assured to walk out without her.

If you want to compare this industry to anything, you want to do it to cigarettes. Nothing keeps a smoker from his cigarettes. Not even unemployment. You can try to quit, but you will still bum a loosey from somebody when you get stressed. Men can get rather creative trying to get that extra money to get his needs met, which in turn stimulates the economy.

The money's always going to be out there at every price point. It's a matter of doing what it takes to get it.

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Very we'll said and I agree with you that even in economic downturns there are opportunities for providers to make money. However, the data simply does not validate your assertion that the escort industry compares more to cigarettes. Even though the "need" for companionship might go up when times are tough the data shows that men simply do without.

Spending on cigarettes is not much affected by recessions and other economic downturns which affect consumer spending, however vices such as alcohol consumption, gambling, and escort spending are absolutely negatively affected by these economic cycles.

Vices like alcohol consumption, gambling, and escort spending are the very definition of discretionary spending which, I'm sure you remember from your economic classes is the first thing to contract during an economic downswing.

Brothels in Nevada are still struggling not only from lack of new clientele but existing clientele aren't spending as much.

There is an investment research firm which actually has a vice index they use to predict consumer spending and it tracks spending on gambling and escorts. It has a 90% correlation to broader consumer spending and is a leading indicator of it by around four months.

My point is that while you personally might to do just fine during economic downturns due to your personal business savvy and ability to be nimble and adjust to new demands, it's important to acknowledge the broader economic cycles at work which do affect your industry like it or not.

South Bay Vice Index
http://www.businessinsider.com/south...ds-pce-2013-10

Escorts in England struggling through recession
http://www.economist.com/news/britai...ex-doesnt-sell

Nevada brothel businesses struggle
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/nevad....google.com%2F