Any church going folks?

"These people profess to know me with their lips but their hearts are far from me. Depart from me you that continually sin. I never knew you!" - Jesus

“All Whoremongers and fornicators shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death” – Revelation 21

"Fornicators shall suffer the vengeance of eternal fire" - Jude

"Fornicators and whoremongers. For because of these things comes the Wrath of God upon the children of disobedience" - Ephesians 5 Originally Posted by ragged_tiger

Do you understand the diffrence between creation and evolution ? ? ? So when you get sick you don't go to the doctor ?? You stay home and pray to god he heals you right ?? Have you not had the polio shot ? He who spreads the word of god and lives his live based in evolution needs to be prayed for the most. Ass wipe that can read a book that isn't even in its orig form !! Rev21 sounds like a cool name for a provider thanks for your help. Note to me have provider change her name to rev21. Thanks

I am a churchgoer so I have thought about this quite a bit.

First, if we learned anything at all from Jesus it is to love God and to love our neighbors. To me the essence is in how I treat everyone: hopefully on my best days with respect and kindness and love. To be sure that any person I interact with, whether in my public life or my private life, can see the Holy Spirit working.

That doesn't mean that I am holier than thou ... On the contrary it means I am failing all the time and trying the next day to do better. To avoid as much as possible judging others' motives and certainly never to push my concept of God down someone else's throat. I hope that occasionally someone notices the way I treat others and asks where it comes from. If they ask, I will tell them.

I am married and obviously the issue is whether my hobbling detracts from my relationship with my wife. Of course many will call this a rationalization, but I am convinced that since she is a failure at meeting some basic needs, I have the right to take care of it in another way that doesn't hurt her.

I ask God's forgiveness often, but it is never for visiting a provider. Jesus loves us all and understands our human emotions. Above all, we don't hurt others. We try to help others. I know it's an odd subject for this board but I believe it needed to be aired for some of us anyway.

God bless you all.

Please excuse my Dorian Gray outburst.....but damn......

And i saved a provider by giving her 2k

If god wasn't born in the USA let alone the on earth would that mean people are praying to an illegal?

If god wasn't born in the USA let alone the on earth would that mean people are praying to an illegal? Originally Posted by Dorian Gray

If god wasn't born in the USA let alone the on earth would that mean people are praying to an illegal? Originally Posted by Dorian Gray

If your irish it doesnt matter. Were always to drunk to give a fuck

I no longer believe in organized religion, especially after becoming a provider. Too many hypocrites in the church.

The whole analogy of a "moral compassion" is seriously flawed. Morality is a very complex, multidimensional concept. I really doubt that for anyone it points in only one direction. To be very direct: I have met a number of ladies I have come to realize are extremely moral people, so when someone claims their presence in this corner of the world makes them "180 degrees out from churchgoers" I find that view both ignorant and foolish. It also makes me wonder how they view themselves since they too posted here. Originally Posted by Old-T

What does that even mean? You approve of them? Of how they live their life? So you judge them favorably? But you object to someone else judging someone unfavorably?

My experience is most people prefer their definition of morality as all-encompassing as they can make it. Makes more room at the table for their self. Originally Posted by inspector farquar

Sorry for the delay in responding to your post but I thought it was a good question and deserved more than a 30 second answer.

To start by “what does that mean”. When I say a lot of the ladies are moral people, I mean that taken as a whole I approve of the way they act, and the morals they live by. My whole point is that is a complex mixture of things, and to somehow make a determination of a person’s “morals” only based upon one “commandment” is jumping to conclusions.

To me, who someone does or doesn’t have sex with, and the conditions they do or don’t have it, is not the litmus test for whether they are moral, only one factor. To me any assessment of morality includes many things such as honesty, charity/alms/compassion for those less fortunate, how they treat others be it family or strangers (everything from spouse/child abuse to being civil/helpful to others), giving an honest day’s work & wage, not defrauding people (cheating/avoiding taxes, shoplifting, filing for knowingly fraudulent benefits, on-line scams, etc.), not endangering others by driving drunk, and lots more. Many of these—to me—are far more important than what they do sexually.

So when I said many of the ladies are “moral people” I was talking about the ones I know well enough to have an opinion about those aspects of their lives. I see some of them who have great compassion for others, volunteer for efforts I think are just and good, pay their taxes as “self employed” even though I know for many it creates significant financial problems, etc. I base my opinion of their “moral compass” on the bigger picture, not on whether society and organized churches do not approve of one aspect of their lives. There are a few ladies who I would unequivocally trust with my life (and obviously others I wouldn’t). To be honest, there are some churchgoers also (and again, some not).


Conversely, I see some fervent church goers who defraud people in their work, stretch the truth to within a millimeter of breaking while under oath, and are very bigoted towards anyone not of “their” social/ethnic/religious affiliation. People who are the modern equivalent of the pharisees Jesus condemned for false religiousness. But as far as I know they do not see escorts--and in my mind that does not make them moral people. They may well be completely “pure” from a sexual perspective, and I know many who would condemn members here to hell without a second thought, but personally I would say their moral compass is farther out of alignment.

My “both ignorant and foolish” comment was trying to capture the point that “morality” is much more complex in my opinion than almost any single one factor—including being a member of this board or not. And I believe that someone who judges another bases SOLELY on THAT one aspect of their persona is being ignorant and foolish about the more complex human reality.


You may or may not agree, but hopefully my point is at least clearer now.

... You may or may not agree, but hopefully my point is at least clearer now. Originally Posted by Old-T

I was not misunderstanding your point, but rather, questioning it.

Do you not see that you too judge? You find no contradiction because your "criteria" is superior?

A point I might have made had I wanted to make a point: to judge is to judge - an unfortunate endeavor to protect the self from the cold critical truth.

Consider for a minute: you are not a moral person. Enlarging the "moral pool" by including the fringes of society will not make it so.

Morality is earned not decreed.

Please excuse my Dorian Gray outburst.....but damn......












Originally Posted by Russ38

lol funny

I was not misunderstanding your point, but rather, questioning it.

Do you not see that you too judge? You find no contradiction because your "criteria" is superior?

A point I might have made had I wanted to make a point: to judge is to judge - an unfortunate endeavor to protect the self from the cold critical truth.

Consider for a minute: you are not a moral person. Enlarging the "moral pool" by including the fringes of society will not make it so.

Morality is earned not decreed. Originally Posted by inspector farquar

Yes, I completely acknowledge that I am judging. To make no judgement about good/bad, right/wrong, true/false, like/dislike, etc. means that a person has withdrawn from society far more than I would care to. Deciding to obey a red light, to vote, to eat at a certain restaurant (assuming there is more than one where you are), to pay taxes, to cheat on taxes or not, etc., are in essence all acts of judging. I do not know that a person can live in current society without judging.

I know that I do not have a complete list of all moral issues. If I thought I did, I would be also foolish and ignorant. But I feel very safe in saying that a person who decides morality strictly on the basis of one sexual issue dose so foolishly, for that would imply a mass murderer could be moral so long as they don't have sex for money. If you say I am wrong for making that judgement, so be it. We will in that case continue to disagree about what it means to be moral.

Essentially, as I tried to convey, I do not believe in a binary test for morality, but a continuum that is very complex. I do not believe a person must be perfect to be moral. I believe some actions--torturing, unjustified killing, etc., are probably sufficient to categorize on as immoral, but i do not believe consentual sex falls in that category even if illegal. Do you believe morality rides on the back of a single issue?

You ask me to consider that I am not a moral person. That may well be, but do you form that opinion solely because I post here? Just curious. The days I feel I have acted immorality it has not been because I am part of ghis community, just as going 5 miles over the speed limit on a clear day on an empty road does not make me feel immoral. Generally what makes me feel immoral revolves around how I treat others.

Religion is for the weak...

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