3600 Views and a 126 replies in less than 40 hours and you lock a thread because the OP isn't getting things her way and requests it?

Sorry for the lengthy discourse. For the corny ending, I'll repeat the old mantra, 'make love not war.' That's what I'm for (with apologies to Pat Green). Originally Posted by davidsmith0123

Don't apologize. Your post was one of the most reasonable I've read in quite some time. Welcome to the board and please don't be scared off by the drama.

and this thread has cost me lots of popcorn.

i was going to ask carl, since he is going to fiesta for more popcorn.

and then i see this.

In addition to Carl's well-thought out post, also consider:

Marketing:
* Domain name purchasing & hosting
* Website maintenance (if required)
* Professional photographs (I'm guilty of skimping on this one due to not having a reliable and discrete photography contact in Austin, but I've got it handled now... and professional photos aren't cheap!)
* Board memberships (the ones I belong to range from $10-20/month)
* Advertising fees (anywhere from $0-$300/month per website)

Communication:
* Data card for mobile Internet (especially popular with traveling ladies)
* Required computer protection plans and/or maintenance fees

Travel & Transportation:
* Airline, rental car or gas/mileage/oil for travel to tour destinations
* Airline baggage fees for travel to tour destinations
* Hotel costs for tour cities (room, tax, parking)
* Gas/mileage/oil for outcalls

BCD:
* Massage lotion and/or oil
* Liquor/beer/wine for clients
* Toys and roleplay items
* Batteries

Miscellaneous:
* Gym membership
* Hair cut, color, styling
* Manicures & pedicures
* Waxing, laser hair removal, or countless fresh razor blades (What are those things made out of, anyways? Diamonds?! Geez.)
* Tanning
* Makeup
* Therapist (No, seriously. Therapist.)

If you need a the-rapist. nevermind i wont start.

quite frankly i dont care if you have on make up for me.
tanning is not that important to me
gym membership, come on you can bow flex at home
laser hair removal, and why do you still need more razor blades.

can we just keep this simple and fun, thats all i care about.

peace
atx
S.E.B

Quote from Whispers:

But to be BRUTALLY HONEST about the subject of this thread.

If you guys would have powwowed and had Sixx or Space close and lock the thread none of this would be here right now as far as I am concerned.

Maybe I'm wrong for saying it but they are Austin guys that I respect and either of them can pick up the phone and tell me to Shut the Fuck Up and I will do it because I support their presence as Mods and to do otherwise would be hypocritical.

For anyone dealing with something that was as polarizing as that thread was you sure should have had their input on it as well as what is said here.

St.Mateo did not close the thread, I did.

This thread is a continuation of the subject and all the info is still here and also in the closed thread.


I was contacted by the OP and asked to close it.

To somewhat answer the question in regards to our expenses--

Last year on my taxes, my eligible business deductions came to just shy of 16k. And, that is with taking 4 months off during my move. My current year expenses are as follows-- and you should keep in mind that I am a less expensive provider and as such, offer fewer amenities.

Incall rent-- $1000-- I do not share. On occasion, I'll offer my space to a travelling lady with the stipulation that she has to work around my schedule, but I don't share with local ladies. Sharing leads to drama, and I don't need any drama brought into my life by others.

Cell Phone-- $40/month. Metro PCS, hobby line.

Advertising-- I spend anywhere from $100-$300 on advertising in any given month depending on time of year. I don't waste good money on it during the summer-- its dead. But right now, I ramp up my advertising to cash in on the "busy season".

Laundry-- I wash all incall linens, towels, etc separately from my home stuff. Including detergent, etc it averages out to about $25/month

Condoms/Lube/Basic Toiletries-- I provide soap, shampoo, mouthwash, general paper goods, bottled water. I spend in the neighborhood of $50/month on this.

So-- $1415/month right now, not including hair, nails, and tanning--- because while I may not do those things when not working, most ladies do. And thats just to keep my "business" open. Doesn't include having to make an income by any means.

Now-- as to some of the other things discussed, I don't comment simply because my views are a bit different than many.

[QUOTE=78704;621861]

You'll never deserve to be with a WOMAN like me!

Doesn't matter. Even if he did do something bad enough to deserve it, it would violate the 8th Amendment and Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

I'm a BEAUTIFUL desirable woman who takes care of herself!/quote]

You're an offensive insulting shrew and 'mature' in your case clearly refers to old wrinkled and saggy rather than your manners or deportment. Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

Is that so? Thank you for the insults. Much appreciated.
Shows what a gentleman your not. Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

Seriously?

Both of you should go private with that kind of nonsense. It's really very childish....

In addition to Carl's well-thought out post, also consider:

Marketing:
* Domain name purchasing & hosting
* Website maintenance (if required)
* Professional photographs (I'm guilty of skimping on this one due to not having a reliable and discrete photography contact in Austin, but I've got it handled now... and professional photos aren't cheap!)
* Board memberships (the ones I belong to range from $10-20/month)
* Advertising fees (anywhere from $0-$300/month per website)

Communication:
* Data card for mobile Internet (especially popular with traveling ladies)
* Required computer protection plans and/or maintenance fees

Travel & Transportation:
* Airline, rental car or gas/mileage/oil for travel to tour destinations
* Airline baggage fees for travel to tour destinations
* Hotel costs for tour cities (room, tax, parking)
* Gas/mileage/oil for outcalls

BCD:
* Massage lotion and/or oil
* Liquor/beer/wine for clients
* Toys and roleplay items
* Batteries

Miscellaneous:
* Gym membership
* Hair cut, color, styling
* Manicures & pedicures
* Waxing, laser hair removal, or countless fresh razor blades (What are those things made out of, anyways? Diamonds?! Geez.)
* Tanning
* Makeup
* Therapist (No, seriously. Therapist.)

And, last but not least... taxes. I set aside 35% off my income for taxes, and each quarter I pay a specific amount based on what I estimate I will owe at the end of the year.

Having your own separate incall really is akin to operating a complete second residence, even if you share with other providers. Originally Posted by Natalie Reign

Some of these are legit expenses but many are BS. It's like saying I can claim clothing and hair cuts for my job. Everything under miscellaneous is BS.

Computer protection. Really. Would this be like AVG. No wait, that's free.

Pictures. Sure, but that is typically a once a year expense at the most and many pictures are not done by a professional and cost nothing.

You're grasping at straws to make your expenses seem over whelming when in reality they are not much different than any of us have. It's like you want to claim toothpaste because you brushed your teeth before an appointment.

like I said before and I will say it again

IT TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY

I have been away from the boards for a couple of days now and took me two hours to catch up on this mess. *sigh* So the retired Op asked a question on behalf of all the girls. I don't remember asking anyone to speak up for me period. I have a voice and can speak for myself. Also how are you "non-struggling" girls gonna get so upset and take so much time and effort to make your point. Guess business isn't so good after all! hmmm.... In the original thread the OP asked the opinion of the gents on how we can keep there biz. Well coming on the board for a bitch fest isn't too good for biz it is now? The economy sucks and guys are making less then what they did 4 or even 5 years ago. So a question was asked and they answered it. Whats the fuss over? I never saw anyone saying lower your rates what i saw was the men of the board stating what they can afford these days. Why is this so hard for some swallow thanks boys for all your opinon and views on the matter.
~Kisses Jen

..... In the original thread the OP asked the opinion of the gents on how we can keep there biz. Well coming on the board for a bitch fest isn't too good for biz it is now?
~Kisses Jen Originally Posted by nibbles_n_licksx

Excellent point.

If you guys would have powwowed and had Sixx or Space close and lock the thread none of this would be here right now as far as I am concerned.

Maybe I'm wrong for saying it but they are Austin guys that I respect and either of them can pick up the phone and tell me to Shut the Fuck Up and I will do it because I support their presence as Mods and to do otherwise would be hypocritical. Originally Posted by Whispers

It's painfully obvious that you desperately want the forum to know that Space and Sixx have your telephone number, and that you all are on friendly terms...but I am not sure it is wise to implicate them and saying they are accepting of your derogatory, disrespectful, and belligerent nature...but then again, it sure does explain a whole lot.

If anyone cares to make an argument based on supply and demand, here are some figures from P411.

Dallas/Ft Worth/Arlington area = 595 providers

Austin/Killeen/San Marcos area = 218 providers

San Antonio area = 65 providers

Houston/Conroe/Beaumont area = 281 providers

Of all the major metro area in Texas, Austin would have BY FAR the highest provider population per capita, and San Antonio BY FAR the lowest. There must be some reason why P411 listings seem not to track overall population so well. But they are what they are. It seems to make sense that Austin is a very competitive market.

Actually, based on what I have read it has been WM and you that have started the insults. Forgive me if I am wrong, but it is a long thread and may have missed something.

It's painfully obvious that you desperately want the forum to know that Space and Sixx have your telephone number, and that you all are on friendly terms...but I am not sure it is wise to implicate them and saying they are accepting of your derogatory, disrespectful, and belligerent nature...but then again, it sure does explain a whole lot. Originally Posted by Ivory

Actually, that was Ivory's first post in any of the contested threads. There were plenty of insults traded before her post at 10:40 a.m., Sept. 28th.

Actually, based on what I have read it has been WM and you that have started the insults. Forgive me if I am wrong, but it is a long thread and may have missed something. Originally Posted by Skip_8

First insult in Ivory's thread was hurled by Whispers in his typical innuendo fashion where everyone knew exactly what he was trying to say but he didn't name names. Ivory retorted directly with a silly (but fairly innocuous) barb and then Whispers took the gloves off and all hell broke loose. As far as I can tell, mods didn't warn anyone about anything as that thread was allowed to go back and fourth with personal attacks for quite some time... but obviously I have no idea since the mod philosophy is to talk to individuals so the community has no idea who is being punished and whether or not disciplinary action has been taken at all. IMO this just leads to rumors and speculation that people are being given special treatment or being let off the hook.

I don't care who gets points or what goes on behind the scenes but I'd love to see Mods call out specific posts for being out of line when they are in violation of the rules. Sixx does that occasionally -- like with a dead child comment and a racial comment, and I appreciate it. But other than that, I rarely see mods tell specific posters that their hateful insults are a violation of the rules -- I think it would serve as a warning to others. I think the community at this time might be under the impression that the insults thrown back and fourth in these various threads aren't against the rules because we never see anything posted other than vague things like "this thread has served it's purpose so it is closed" or "Let's keep the discussion on track".

I'm not trying to criticize the mods here. They have a tough job and I certainly wouldn't want to do it. I just think with the current system, many people get the idea that Whispers and others, male and female, aren't being punished for their insulting comments and that makes a lot of people afraid to speak up in threads because they feel they could be the victim of a personal attack or false accusation at any time without any recourse.

Whether it's Ivory, WM, Whispers, 78704 or anyone else doing the insulting, I think it would be helpful for the community if, in contentious threads, Mods could say something like, "post #xxx and #xxii were out of line. Please everyone refrain from personal attacks."

The owners of Eccie did not tell me to say anything. My post
Is what it is that the excessive vile and name calling isn't going to work anymore.
Again read the rules in the forum guidelines. Follow the rules in.
those guidelines. If you can adhere to them good if not then there
will be problems. Warnings don't seem to work

All of us here are adults let's start acting like it