MORE WOES FOR WENDY...ETHICAL PROBLEMS !

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I never mentioned SJL by the way, dimwit.

Typical liberal response? Yow! Never heard that one before

How about putting your money where your big mouth is, dipshit. Prove your "true fact." I'm sure you have plenty of time considering how you've chased all the posters out of Pissburgh!

What a fucking crybaby!

You would think with what is associated with a Harvard degree they would seem to lose their value. Originally Posted by The2Dogs
OK, you're now wanting to know whether having a Harvard degree will result in a net loss in value value.

Ask and ye shall receive:

"According to payscale.com, the median starting salary of emerging Harvard undergraduates who work full-time in the United States is $63,400; even without pursuing further schooling, they boast mid-career median salaries of $124,000. Compare these numbers to the median earnings of the average American male—$45,113 in 2007—and the evidence that a Harvard education increases one’s earning potential appears incontrovertible."

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/20...-of-a-harvard/
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The proof is there. You just refuse to see it.

I think being able to buy a degree from a formerly prestigious college is exactly what you libtards like. The good old boy system. I only use SJL as a prime example of what is obviously a bought and paid for degree. It is just more proof. I suppose there are some that actually earned their degrees but may be it is just an extremely expensive diploma mill that has a very high price to join the club.

Yep, Wendy Davis hates the handicapped.
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No proof again, topped off with a ridiculous supposition that you can buy an Ivy League degree, just like Dubya did ... Oops.

You're moving up the "liarboard," dipshit.
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You would think with what is associated with a Harvard degree they would seem to lose their value. Originally Posted by The2Dogs
Nope, they have a better racket going than Alfonso Capone himself had....
Ironically, I help feed into by insulting such fine institutions as the University of Houston by calling it "Cougar High"
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No proof again, topped off with a ridiculous supposition that you can buy an Ivy League degree, just like Dubya did ... Oops. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider
statement against interest....
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I don't know about this debate and the OP. If you don't have a Harvard degree now you will probably never have one.

The OP is about Wendy in Texas. Rather than being a good honest provider she has decided to go into politics and it seems that she is well suited to the job. This time is not her time. Abbott leads her 2 to 1 at this point in time. You could say that Texas is trending Abbott.
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I don't know about this debate and the OP. If you don't have a Harvard degree now you will probably never have one.

The OP is about Wendy in Texas. Rather than being a good honest provider she has decided to go into politics and it seems that she is well suited to the job. This time is not her time. Abbott leads her 2 to 1 at this point in time. You could say that Texas is trending Abbott. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
That's not true. show me a poll where Abbott leads her 2-to-1, idiot.
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from this trip down History lane, Breaking the Law and being a Politician go hand in hand


2009– (Barack Obama (D) presidency)

Legislative Branch

  • Senator Mike Crapo (R-ID) was arrested on December 23, 2012 and later pleaded guilty to drinking and driving in a Virginia court. The court fined him 250 dollars. He was sentenced to 180 days in prison, but served no time. (2013)[1][2][3]
  • Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL) pleaded guilty on February 20, 2013 to one count of wire and mail fraud in connection with his misuse of $750,000 of campaign funds. Jackson was sentenced to two and half years imprisonment. (2013)[4]
  • Rick Renzi (R-AZ) on June 12, 2013 was found guilty of 17 of the 32 counts against him, including wire fraud, conspiracy, extortion, racketeering, money laundering and making false statements to insurance regulators. (2013)[5]
  • Trey Radel (R-FL) was convicted of misdemeanor possession of cocaine in November, 2013. As a first time offender, he was sentenced to one year probation and fined $250. Radel announced he would take a leave of absence, but did not resign. Later, under pressure from a number of Republican leaders, he announced through a spokesperson that he would do so. (2013)[6][7][8][9]
Judicial Branch

2001–2009 (George W. Bush (R) presidency)

Executive branch

  • Lewis Libby (R) Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney (R). 'Scooter' was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the Plame Affair on March 6, 2007 and was sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined $250,000. His sentence was commuted by George W. Bush (R) on July 1, 2007. (2007)[13]
Legislative branch

  • William J. Jefferson (D-LA) in August 2005 the FBI seized $90,000 in cash from Jefferson's home freezer. He was re-elected anyway, but lost in 2008. He was convicted of 11 counts of bribery and sentenced to 13 years in prison on November 13, 2009. (2009)[14] Jefferson's Chief of Staff Brett Pfeffer, was sentenced to 84 months for bribery. (2006) [15]
  • Vito Fossella (R-NY) US Congressman convicted of drunken driving in 2008, appealed the charge, but then pled guilty in 2009.[16]
  • Jack Abramoff CNMI scandal involves the efforts of Abramoff to influence Congressional action concerning U.S. immigration and minimum wage laws. See Executive branch convictions. Congressmen convicted in the Abramoff scandal include:
  1. Bob Ney (R-OH) pleaded guilty to conspiracy and making false statements as a result of his receiving trips from Abramoff in exchange for legislative favors. Ney received 30 months in prison. (2007)[17]
  • Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) Married Senator and vocal critic of Clinton's affair, pled guilty to disorderly conduct in a Minneapolis airport men's room, after having been arrested on a charge of homosexual lewd conduct.(2007) [18]
  • Duke Cunningham (R-CA) pleaded guilty on November 28, 2005 to charges of conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion in what came to be called the Cunningham scandal. Sentenced to over eight years in prison. (2005)[19]
  • Frank Ballance (D-NC) admitted to federal charges of money laundering and mail fraud in October 2005 and was sentenced to 4 years in prison. (2005)[20]
  • Bill Janklow (R-SD) convicted of second-degree manslaughter for running a stop sign and killing a motorcyclist. Resigned from the House and given 100 days in the county jail and three years probation. (2003)[21]
  • Jim Traficant (D-OH) found guilty on 10 felony counts of financial corruption was sentenced to 8 years in prison and expelled from the US House of Representatives. (2002) [22]


Judicial branch

1993–2001 (Clinton (D) presidency)

Executive branch

Legislative branch

  • Mel Reynolds (D-IL) was convicted on 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography. (1997) Was later convicted of 12 counts of bank fraud. (1999) [26]
  • Walter R. Tucker III (D-CA) was sentenced to 27 months in prison in 1996 for extortion and tax evasion. (1995)
  • Wes Cooley (R-OR), Cooley was convicted of having lied on the 1994 voter information pamphlet about his service in the Army. He was fined and sentenced to two years probation (1997)[27]
  • Austin Murphy (D-PA) convicted of one count of voter fraud for filling out absentee ballots for members of a nursing home. (1999) [28]
  • House banking scandal [29] The House of Representatives Bank found that 450 members had overdrawn their checking accounts, but not been penalized. Six were convicted of charges, most only tangentially related to the House Bank itself. Twenty two more of the most prolific over-drafters were singled out by the House Ethics Committee. (1992)
  1. Buz Lukens (R-Ohio) convicted of bribery and conspiracy.[30]
  2. Carl C. Perkins (D-Kentucky) pleaded guilty to a check kiting scheme involving several financial institutions (including the House Bank).[31]
  3. Carroll Hubbard (D-Kentucky) convicted of illegally funneling money to his wife's 1992 campaign to succeed him in congress.[32]
  4. Mary Rose Oakar (D-Ohio) pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor campaign finance charge not related to the House Bank.[33]
  5. Walter Fauntroy (D-District of Columbia) convicted of filing false disclosure forms in order to hide unauthorized income.[34]
  1. Dan Rostenkowski (D-IL) Rostenkowski was convicted and sentenced to 18 months in prison, in 1995.[36]
  2. Joe Kolter (D-Pennsylvania) Convicted of one count of conspiracy [37] and sentenced to 6 months in prison.[38]
  • Jay Kim (R-CA) accepted $250,000 in illegal 1992 campaign contributions and was sentenced to two months house arrest (1992) [39]
1989–1993 (George H. W. Bush (R) presidency)

Executive branch

Legislative branch

  • Nicholas Mavroules (D-Massachusetts) convicted of extortion, accepting illegal gifts and failing to report them on congressional disclosure and income tax forms. Mavroules pleaded guilty to fifteen counts in April 1993 and was sentenced to a fifteen-month prison term. (1993) [41][42][43]
  • Albert Bustamante (D-Texas) convicted of accepting bribes. (1993) [44]
  • David Durenberger Senator (R-Minnesota) denounced by Senate for unethical financial transactions and then disbarred (1990). He pleaded guilty to misuse of public funds and given one year probation (1995) [45]
Judicial Branch

1981–1989 (Reagan (R) presidency)

Executive branch

See also: Reagan administration scandals
  1. James G. Watt (R) United States Secretary of the Interior, 1981–1983, charged with 25 counts of perjury and obstruction of justice. Sentenced to five years probation, fined $5,000 and 500 hours of community service[49]
  2. Deborah Gore Dean, (R) Executive Assistant to (Samuel Pierce, Secretary of HUD 1981–1987, and not charged). Dean was convicted of 12 counts of perjury, conspiracy, bribery. Sentenced to 21 months in prison (1987).[50]
  3. Phillip D. Winn (R) Assistant Secretary of HUD, 1981–1982, pleaded guilty to bribery in 1994.[50]
  4. Thomas Demery, (R) Assistant Secretary of HUD, pleaded guilty to bribery and obstruction.[50]
  5. Joseph A. Strauss, (R) Special Assistant to the Secretary of HUD, convicted for accepting payments to favor Puerto Rican land developers in receiving HUD funding.[51]
  • Wedtech scandal Wedtech Corporation convicted of bribery for Defense Department contracts.[52]
  1. Mario Biaggi (D-New York) sentenced to 2½ years. (1987)[53]
  2. Robert Garcia (D-New York) sentenced to 2½ years.[54]
  • Iran-Contra Affair (1985–1986); A secret sale of arms to Iran, to secure the release of hostages and allow U.S. intelligence agencies to fund the Nicaraguan Contras, in violation of the Boland Amendment.[55]
  1. Caspar Weinberger (R) United States Secretary of Defense, was indicted on two counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice on June 16, 1992. [14]. Weinberger received a pardon before his trial from George H. W. Bush on December 24, 1992.[56]
  2. Robert C. McFarlane (R) National Security Adviser, convicted of withholding evidence. Given 2 years probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush[57]
  3. John Poindexter (R) National Security Advisor, was convicted on April 7, 1990 for his role in the Iran-Contra Affair. The convictions were reversed in 1991 on appeal .[58]
  4. Oliver North (R) Member of the National Security Council, was fired by President Reagan on the same day Poindexter resigned.[59][60] North was found guilty of perjury and conspiracy, but the charges were overturned on appeal.
  5. Elliott Abrams (R) Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs, convicted of withholding evidence. Given 2 years probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.[61] http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/summpros.htm.
#Rita Lavelle (R), assistant EPA Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency misused ‘superfund' monies and was convicted of perjury. She served six months in prison, was fined $10,000 and given five years probation. (1984) [63] Legislative branch

  • Donald E. "Buz" Lukens (R-Ohio), Convicted of two counts of bribery and conspiracy. (1996) [64] See also Sex scandals.
  • Abscam FBI sting involving fake 'Arabs' trying to bribe 31 congressmen.(1980) [65] The following Congressmen were convicted:
  1. Harrison A. Williams Senator (D-New Jersey) Convicted on 9 counts of bribery and conspiracy. Sentenced to 3 years in prison.[66]
  2. John Jenrette Representative (D-South Carolina) sentenced to two years in prison for bribery and conspiracy.[67]
  3. Richard Kelly (R-Florida) Accepted $25K and then claimed he was conducting his own investigation into corruption. Served 13 months.[68]
  4. Raymond Lederer (D-Pennsylvania) "I can give you me" he said after accepting $50K. Sentenced to 3 years.[69]
  5. Michael Myers (D-Pennsylvania) Accepted $50K saying, "...money talks and bullshit walks." Sentenced to 3 years and was expelled from the House.[70]
  6. Frank Thompson (D-New Jersey) Sentenced to 3 years.[71]
  7. John M. Murphy (D-New York) Served 20 months of a 3-year sentence.[72]
  • Mario Biaggi (D-New York), Convicted of obstruction of justice and accepting illegal gratuities he was sentenced to 2½ years in prison and fined $500K for his role in the Wedtech scandal, see above. Just before expulsion from the House, he resigned. The next year he was convicted of another 15 counts of obstruction and bribery. (1988) [73]
  • Pat Swindall (R-Georgia) convicted of 6 counts of perjury. (1989) [74][75]
  • George V. Hansen (R-Idaho) censured for failing to file out disclosure forms. Spent 15 months in prison.[76]
  • Frederick W. Richmond (D-New York),Convicted of tax evasion and possession of marijuana. Served 9 months (1982) [77]
  • Dan Flood (D-Pennsylvania) censured for bribery. After a trial ended in a deadlocked jury, pleaded guilty and was sentenced to a year's probation.[78][79]
  • Joshua Eilberg (D-Pennsylvania) pleaded guilty to conflict-of-interest charges. In addition, he convinced president Carter to fire the U.S. Attorney investigating his case.[80]
Judicial branch scandals

  • Alcee Hastings (D-Florida), Federal District court judge impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate of soliciting a bribe (1989).[81] Subsequently elected to the U.S. House of Representatives (1992)
  • Harry Claiborne (D-Nebraska), Federal District court Judge impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate on two counts of tax evasion. He served over one year in prison.[82]
1977–1981 (Carter (D) presidency)

Legislative branch

  • Fred Richmond (D-New York) – Convicted of tax fraud and possession of marijuana. Served 9 months in prsion. Charges of soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy were dropped after he submitted to counseling. (1978) [83]
  • Charles Diggs (D-Michigan), convicted on 29 charges of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms which formed a kickback scheme with his staff. Sentenced to 3 years (1978) [84]
  • Michael Myers (D-Pennsylvania) Received suspended six-month jail term after pleading no contest to disorderly conduct charged stemming from an incident at a Virginia bar in which he allegedly attacked a hotel security guard and a cashier.[85]
  • Frank M. Clark (D-Pennsylvania) pleaded guilty to mail fraud and tax evasion on June 12, 1979 and sentenced to two years in prison.[86]
  • Koreagate scandal involving alleged bribery of more than 30 members of Congress by the South Korean government represented by Tongsun Park.[87]
  • Richard Tonry (D-Louisiana) pleaded guilty to receiving illegal campaign contributions.[88]
1974–1977 (Ford (R) presidency)

Legislative branch

  • James F. Hastings (R-New York), convicted of kickbacks and mail fraud, he also took money from his employees for personal use. Served 14 months at Allenwood penitentiary. (1976) [89]
  • John V. Dowdy (D-Texas), Allegedly tried to stop a federal invesitgation of a construction firm. He served 6 months in prison for perjury. (1973) [90][91]
  • Bertram Podell (D-New York), pleaded guilty to conspiracy and conflict of interest. He was fined $5,000 and served four months in prison. (1974)[92]
  • Frank Brasco (D-New York) Sentenced to three months in jail and fined $10,000 for conspiracy to accept bribes from a reputed Mafia figure who sought truck leasing contracts from the Post Office and loans to buy trucks.[80]
  • Richard T. Hanna (D-CA), convicted in an influence-buying scandal. (1974)[93]
1969–1974 (Nixon (R) presidency)

Executive branch

  • Watergate (1972–1973) Republican 'bugging' of the Democratic Party National Headquarters at the Watergate Hotel led to a burglary which was discovered. The cover up of the affair by President Richard Nixon (R) and his staff resulted in 69 government officials being charged and 48 pleading guilty, including 7 for actual burglary. Eventually, Nixon resigned his position.[94]
  1. John N. Mitchell (R) former Attorney General, convicted of perjury.[95]
  2. Frederick C. LaRue (R) Advisor to John Mitchell, convicted of obstruction of justice.[96]
  3. Richard Kleindienst (R) Attorney General, found guilty of "refusing to answer questions" given one month in jail.[97]
  4. H. R. Haldeman (R) Chief of Staff for Nixon, convicted of perjury [98]
  5. John Ehrlichman (R) Counsel to Nixon, convicted of perjury.[99]
  6. Egil Krogh (R) Aide to John Ehrlichman, sentenced to 6 months.[96]
  7. John W. Dean III (R) Counsel to Nixon, convicted of obstruction of justice.[96]
  8. Dwight L. Chapin (R) Deputy Assistant to Nixon, convicted of perjury.[96]
  9. Charles W. Colson (R) Special Consul to Nixon, convicted of obstruction of justice.[97]
Legislative branch

  • Cornelius Gallagher (D-New Jersey) pleaded guilty to tax evasion, and served two years in prison.[100]
  • J. Irving Whalley (R-Pennsylvania) Received suspended three-year sentence and fined $11,000 in 1973 for using mails to deposit staff salary kickbacks and threatening an employee to prevent her from giving information to the FBI.[80]
  • Martin B. McKneally (R-New York) Placed on one-year probation and fined $5,000 in 1971 for failing to file income tax return. He had not paid taxes for many years prior.[101]
  • New York US Representative James Fred Hastings (R-NY) was a delegate to the 1968 Republican National Convention and the 1972 Republican National Convention. He was elected to Congress in 1968 and served from January 3, 1969, until he resigned on January 20, 1976 after being convicted of kickbacks and mail fraud. He served 14 months at Allenwood penitentiary (1976).[89]
1963–1969 (Lyndon B. Johnson (D) presidency)

Legislative branch

  • Ted Kennedy Senator (D-Massachusetts) drove his car into the channel between Chappaquiddick Island and Martha's Vineyard, killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne. Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and received a suspended sentence of two months [102] (1969)
  • Daniel Brewster (D-Maryland) Senator pleaded no contest to accepting " an unlawful gratuity without corrupt intent ".[103]
  • Frank W. Boykin Congressman (D-AL) was convicted of conspiracy and conflict of interest in July 1963.[104]
1961–1963 (Kennedy (D) presidency)

Legislative branch

  • Thomas F. Johnson (D-Maryland) was convicted of conspiracy and conflict of interest regarding the receipt of illegal gratuities.[105]
  • Frank Boykin (D-Alabama) Was placed on probation and fined $40,000 following conviction in a case involving a conflict of interest and conspiracy to defraud the government. He was pardoned by President Lyndon Johnson in 1965.[106]
1953–1961 (Eisenhower (R) presidency)

Legislative branch

  • Thomas J. Lane (D-Massachusetts) convicted for evading taxes on his congressional income. Served 4 months in prison, but was re-elected three more times.[107] before his 1962 defeat due to re-districting. (1956) [108]
  • Ernest K. Bramblett (R-California) Received a suspended sentence and a $5,000 fine in 1955 for making false statements in connection with payroll padding and kickbacks from congressional employees.[109]
1945–1953 (Truman (D) presidency)

Legislative branch

  • Walter E. Brehm (R-Ohio) convicted of accepting contributions illegally from one of his employees. Received a 15 month suspended sentence and a $5,000 fine.[110]
  • J. Parnell Thomas (R-New Jersey): a member of the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC), was convicted of salary fraud and given an 18-month sentence and a fine, resigning from Congress in 1950. He was imprisoned in Danbury Prison with two of the Hollywood Ten he had helped put there. After serving his 18 months he was pardoned by Truman (D) in 1952,[111]
  • Andrew J. May (D-Kentucky) Convicted of accepting bribes in 1947 from a war munitions manufacturer. Was sentenced to 9 months in prison, after which he was pardoned by Truman (D) in 1952.[112]
  • James M. Curley (D-Massachusetts) fined $1,000 and served six-months for fraud before Harry S. Truman commuted the rest of his sentence.[113]
1933–1945 (Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) presidency)

Legislative branch

  • John H. Hoeppel (D-CA) convicted in 1936 of selling an appointment to the West Point Military Academy. He was fined $1,000 and sentenced to 4–12 months in jail.[114]
1929-1933 (Herbert Hoover (R) presidency)

Legislative Branch

  • Harry E. Rowbottom, (R-IN) was convicted in Federal court of accepting bribes from persons who sought post office appointments. He served one year in Leavenworth.(1931)[115]
1923–1929 Calvin Coolidge (R) Administration

  • George English (D) U.S. District Judge of Illinois, impeached for taking an interest-free loan from a bank of which he was director. Resigned before his Senate trial. (1926)[116]
  • John W. Langley (R-KY) Resigned from the US Congress in January 1926, after losing an appeal to set aside his conviction of violating the Volstead Act (Prohibition). He’d also been caught trying to bribe a Prohibition officer. He was sentenced to two years after which, his wife ran for Congress in his place and won two full terms.[117][118]
1921–1923 Warren G. Harding (R) presidency

Executive branch

The Harding administration was marred by scandals stemming from his appointment of men in his administration whom he had known in Ohio. They came to be known as the Ohio Gang. They include;
  1. Albert Fall (R) Secretary of the Interior who was bribed by Harry F. Sinclair for control of the Teapot Dome federal oil reserves in Wyoming. He was the first U.S. cabinet member to ever be convicted; he served two years in prison. (1922) [119]
  2. Charles R. Forbes (R) appointed by Harding as the first director of the new Bureau of Veterans Affairs. After constructing and modernizing VA hospitals, he was convicted of bribery and corruption and sentenced to two years in jail.[120]
  3. Thomas W. Miller (R), Head of the Office of Alien Property: convicted of fraud by selling valuable German patents seized after World War I for far below market price as well as bribery. Served 18 months.[121]
1901-1909 (Theodore Roosevelt (R) presidency)

Legislative Branch

1869–1877 (Grant (R) presidency)

Executive branch

  1. John J. McDonald (R) Supervisor of the Internal Revenue Service. Convicted and sentenced to three years.[126][127]
1777–1868

  • John Pickering, Federal Judge appointed by George Washington was impeached and convicted in absentia by the U.S. Senate for drunkenness and use of profanity on the bench in spite of the fact neither act was a high crime or misdemeanor. (1804)[130]
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Wendy claims to have a Harvard degree, that her sugar daddy paid for and when it was she dumped him.
SJL has a Harvard degree. here a woman that cannot make a complete sentence that is remotely understandable.
Membership has its price. I wonder if she had to suck the dick of a handicapped professor and that could be one of the reasons she hates the handicapped.
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  • CJ7
  • 04-20-2014, 11:20 AM
Wendy claims to have a Harvard degree, that her sugar daddy paid for and when it was she dumped him.
SJL has a Harvard degree. here a woman that cannot make a complete sentence that is remotely understandable.
Membership has its price. I wonder if she had to suck the dick of a handicapped professor and that could be one of the reasons she hates the handicapped. Originally Posted by The2Dogs

sure she had to suck dick... so did Bush
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Wendy claims to have a Harvard degree, that her sugar daddy paid for and when it was she dumped him.
SJL has a Harvard degree. here a woman that cannot make a complete sentence that is remotely understandable.
Membership has its price. I wonder if she had to suck the dick of a handicapped professor and that could be one of the reasons she hates the handicapped. Originally Posted by The2Dogs
Wow! You're so obviously influenced by IBIdiot. This bit of snappy repartee reveals was until recently was so well shrouded. Can't you see the folly of your current course? You're headed (naw, it would be too easy) headlong into the (naw, it would be too easy).

Keep it up, the IDiot family will gladly accept you, dipshit.

Btw -- still no links, proof or anything other than a shriveled up homo's claim that Wendy Davis "hates the handicapped."

SO noted.
Hate them??? Maybe. We know she is willing to let others kill them using horrible live birth abortion procedures.



..... that Wendy Davis "hates the handicapped."

.... Originally Posted by Yssup Rider
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Hate them??? Maybe. We know she is willing to let others abort them using horrible live birth procedures. Originally Posted by Whirlaway
That wasn't the issue of discussion Whirlyturd.

so obviously, you disagree with the crybaby 2Pups.

If you agree with him, then you need to help shed some light on the evidence, otherwise, you're as guilty of his lies as he is.

So which one is it, Whirlyturd?