Calm down, I know this is very triggering for you but you're coming off as hysterical.
When did I say anything about allergies? Or even a compromised immune system with regards to vaccine hesitancy?
Originally Posted by Aoi
You didn't, but these are the only real conditions that could have any complications with an mRNA vaccine.
The reality is, people have different conditions that their doctors tell them to weigh against taking a vaccine or not.
Originally Posted by Aoi
You seem to think that legitimate medical exemptions don't exist. They do, but they are few and far between due to the nature of these vaccines.
They could have also already had the virus and have natural immunity.
Originally Posted by Aoi
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/9/21-1042_article
Here is a study showing that more than a third of recovered covid-19 patients did not show seroconversion of relevant antibodies, so it's not a guarantee.
And guess what? That's none of your fucking business. Or the governments!
Originally Posted by Aoi
https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/oshact/section_1
First line: "To assure safe and healthful working conditions for working men and women"
Also, depending on how practitioners of Abrahamic religions interpret scripture, they might want to avoid injecting drugs into their body. And those of Eastern religions (Buddhist, Hindus, Taoist, etc) could also prefer a more wholistic approach in how they treat their bodies.
Originally Posted by Aoi
Actually, most world religions vehemently support vaccination. Sincerely held religious exemptions do exist, though the burden of proof for these is much higher, especially since no religious texts deal explicitly with vaccines and the religious objections that do exist are based on extrapolated principles developed from those texts.
You're being quite vague about the religious reasons one might give for refusing vaccination. Here's a quick list:
https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness...s-and-religion
It's a rather short list of rather tiny Christian sects. Most religions' belief in the sanctity of life extends to protecting life and views vaccines as contributing to that. I will point out that Roman Catholics have historically opposed the use of fetal cells in the manufacture of vaccines, but the Pfizer and Moderna shots didn't use any, and the Pope urges all Catholics to get vaccinated.
So a religious exemption would require an individual to demonstrate a sincerely-held belief in one of these small sects, otherwise they're back in medical exemption territory.
It's their choice. If you're for the government taking away their choice to take a vaccine or not, you're an ass hole.
Originally Posted by Aoi
:shrug: I've been called worse.
No, the survival rate of the rona has always been over 99.9 percent. But the vaccine helps out older people have a higher chance of avoiding serious complications.
Originally Posted by Aoi
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Actually, covid mortality varies drastically across the globe, but in the US where we have higher access and quality of care, the survival rate is 98.6%. And if by older you mean "older than children", we may have finally found something we agree on.
The vaccine helps out, period:
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07...inated-deaths/
But the media will never talk about that. What they'll do is flash a big number on screen and lemmings like you will buy into it like it's the end of the world and you'll want the government to fuck over everyone because you put them into your shoes and don't bother listening to why they want to not take it.
Originally Posted by Aoi
Well, what are the reasons for not wanting to take it? I'll hear you out. I will grant you that legitimate medical and religious exemptions (few as they are) should be honored, and certainly will be, as there is legal precedent. The reasons I've heard so far have all turned out to be hogwash, but I'll listen to you, dear friend.
No, it's not the government's job to ensure public health. If it were so, they'd force everyone to take the flu vaccine every year. Remember the flu? The thing that kinda just disappeared when covid came around? Some seasons, they kill thousands. Funny how people just centralize all illnesses to the rona now.
Originally Posted by Aoi
Well, it probably had something to do with all the masking and sanitizing and social distancing, right? This isn't hard.
And if it's the government's job to ensure public health, why did California downgrade knowingly giving someone HIV down to a misdemeanor? Yeah, fuck the government ensuring public health.
Originally Posted by Aoi
Not really familiar with this, seems unrelated to the main topic of covid vaccines, but after some googling it looks like they're trying to destigmatize a historically criminalized condition. Totally alien concept to this board, we would NEVER consider something like that.
What the fuck do you think the government will do if a company chooses not to obey the mandate? They're going to fine each case 10K plus dollars and then force them or the unvaccinated person. It's not about a company independently making the decision to require vaccines. It's a company being forced to do it even if they don't want to.
Originally Posted by Aoi
Yep, that's the government leveraging their power to enforce the laws. It's why we have desegregated schools and national parks.
Do you know anything about this mandate at all? Because, so far, you've shown zero understanding of why both employers and employees are furious about this. And why should anyone have to quit their job because Joe Biden woke up pissy that everyone is realizing what an asshat he is and is taking it out on the American people? Are you so obtuse that you still think this is about public health?
Originally Posted by Aoi
You wound me, my friend. I thought I did a pretty swell job informing myself when all this news broke initially.
Btw, I'm not one of those moronic "But it's the free market!" libertarians/anarcho capitalists. I never once advocated for that, so spare me the tone.
Originally Posted by Aoi
My apologies, buddy.
