The future of the hobby

Ya they do have a higher rate of kidnapping and trafficking there but could it be geographic proximity to the countries where guys are "buying" western looking women? I will have to read the article phil do referenced later when I get time, but if the trafficking numbers are higher in Europe than in Canada and Australia then geography might be a factor.


Not disagreeing with phil do bc I see the point. Just discussing. Originally Posted by thathottnurse

It's so sad that we have to do that... It would be perfectly okay if you were disagreeing. I'm not afraid to be wrong.

And you could very well have a point with that. It's as easy as crossing state lines in Europe. In the US, it would be equivalent to kidnapping.

OK, I'm not trying to start a war or be an asshole so...in 5150's post he advocates for privacy then proposes that very privacy be abdicated in favor of regulation and offers some rather dubious but well intentioned "benefits" of regulation and legalization. Here is an academic and economic report based on 116 countries. I won't summarize save to say that this thread is full of a lot of false positives for legalization, when even the Netherlands where legalized prostitution is a tourist attraction has just as much if not more criminal enterpise, human traffic and other abuse surrounding the sexual commerce industry.

http://www.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/ne...afficking.aspx

It's not perfect research, but just because we want something and agree with it doesn't mean the outcome is all roses and dollar signs. My real question is when are women here or anywhere else going to stop allowing ANY kind of regulation of their vaginas and reproductive system? Originally Posted by phildo

I understand your perception of my comments and respect that. My primary focus was on overall privacy rights not just provider’s privacy rights. In my opinion for or all intents and purposes American have already lost a majority of their privacy rights involuntarily. Your correct if prostitution was legalized there would be regulation. Unfortunately any time you attempt to solve a problem it tends to create a dozen new problems that were not even thought of. While a provider would lose even more of her privacy it would be done by choice not lost due to clandestine means and a government slowly using “legal briefs” to eliminate our 4th amendment right.

At present a provider who is listed on any number of forums can be target for kidnapping and trafficking be it in a country where prostitution is legal or illegal. I would tend to agree with “Hot Nurse” that geography is a major factor. The issue of solving child porn, trafficking, and forced prostitution is way above my pay grade. One can only hope that if prostitution was legalized in the U.S. revenues gained through taxes would be specifically designated toward solving the problem along with having harsher punishments. Is it a fantasy to think funds would be used toward solving this problem yes but I can always hope?

I am not so worried about "Big Brother" - as the others have stated, if the government wants to know my every move, they're going to be able to do that and I'll never know what hit me. In this regard, I just have to accept the risk and play the odds that I am way too small of a fish for any LE department to want to expend resources on my relatively minute involvement among the millions who hobby.

The much bigger concern I have - and one that I think could substantially impact the provider side, as well - is the substantially increased frequency and availability of spouses/significant others being able to track one's whereabouts on a 24/7 basis. It's doable now, of course, with "Find my Friends" and "Find my iPhone" features but, thankfully, my less-than-tech-savvy spouse hasn't connected the dots on how easy it would be for her to utilize these features. Yet. I have tried to make a habit out of always double-checking my 'locations services' feature on my phone before I go out to hobby, just to make triple-sure she hasn't decided to play with that feature without me knowing about it. Yes, I'm paranoid, and that has saved my ass on a countless number of occasions over the years.

Automated toll plazas and the risk of inadvertently running a light or 'California stop' at a 'red light camera' intersection already has nearly bitten me on the butt. There will almost certainly be other technological advances that will have the unintended consequence of making it ever more difficult to avoid being identified at a location at which you have no good reason for being there. For any spouse who has any suspicions whatsoever about whether her man is playing outside of the relationship, it would be damn difficult to try to argue with her about why we shouldn't turn those location services on if/when she suggests doing so.

Going forward, it may not even be necessary - I can see how future cars may be equipped with built-in GPS locaters (all in the interest of 'our safety') that will be easily accessible by spouses.

Let's avoid the "that's why I'm not married anymore" comments - the real world is such that a VERY healthy portion of the hobbyists are, in fact, married or in relationships where their partners would definitely not approve of the man's activities. The original question posed was regarding what the future of the hobby holds for us and what I have mentioned will play, IMO, a very big part in the evolution of the hobby and how it almost certainly is going to dampen, if not reverse, the spectacular growth we have witnessed in the hobby world over the last 15 years or so.

Technology (as an unintended consequence in both directions) has both giveth and is poised to taketh away the ability to easily hobby with reduced risk of detection.

Just my own personal experience and impact: I stay MUCH closer to my 'home' area than I used to, so that there is a substantially reduced risk of having to answer, "What were you doing in THAT part of the metroplex?"

If SO is suspicious enough they can drop a tracking device in your car without you knowing ... under with a magnet -
Be retrieved later and download the activity ...
I used one on my kids some time ago ...

I have read all comments since my last, and read those before that. A new fact: Amsterdam is considering to reverse their regulate and tax policies of many decades. I won't bore you with the why's, because they will fall on your deaf ears.
We as hobbyist are safer and providers are safer in a non tax environment. We have to avoid vice; not tax and big government regulators. AND despite all, if tax and big government regulators enter the scene, black markets will reign and make the hobby much riskier for all participants.

I'll take soliciting prostitution over tax evasion any time.

If SO is suspicious enough they can drop a tracking device in your car without you knowing ... under with a magnet -
Be retrieved later and download the activity ...
I used one on my kids some time ago ... Originally Posted by DarthDVader

Of course, but my point is that it is becoming so much easier and ubiquitous in almost every gadget we use and come in contact with, the chances of being discovered where you shouldn't be is increasing so greatly and quickly, even those spouses who otherwise might have no reason to suspect anything will have evidence all but dropped in their lap.

thathotnurse started a provocative conversation...

I rarely contribute to these discourse...but you have piqued my interests with your query of things to come.

Futures are something I think about quite a bit...

Here's a perspective to consider...the hobby will end in 70 years when the last of the Gen Xers run out of money for the whatever version of Cialis exists in the year 2084.

Why?

The guilt and shame of the hobby life is a byproduct of the previous generations of Boomers and the Silent Generation. The Boomers have passed many of their values to their GenX children...so the need for discretion remains. Also, the Gen Xers are just now moving into to positions of influence - financially, politically, and socially. If anyone knew what they were up to...their hard won lives would come tumbling down.

The Millennials on the other hand are a different breed. They are the reason, Colorado and Washington State are legal cannabis states.

Why?

Millennials are more liberal about everything. They could give a #insert expletive# about who's sleeping with whom. This shift in political ideology and social norms will bring about the end to the hobby--not technology. At least, an end of the hobby as we know it today.

In fact, I foresee technology eroding the hobby's discretion and false secrecy so much so that Millennials will think it is just silly to believe no one knew who you were sleeping around with for money and benefits. More importantly, Millennials will be surprised that you think anyone actually cares who you sleep around with for money and benefits. It's not a top concern in that generation.

By the year 2084, the Millennials will be transferring their power to their grandchildren that will have inherited a totally different set of values and social/cultural norms than their great-great-great-grandparents. They will live in an America that it is more ethnically and racially diverse than their great grandparents White and Black America.

Interestingly enough, this age shift trend is happening all around the globe. Millennials will use to the power of government to advance social justice and end human trafficking--especially human sex trafficking. For a while, this generation will take longer to find a mate...providing ample sex experiences before marriage...versus waiting till marriage to thirst for new pussy on a regular basis. (Why hobby when you have Snapchat and Vine?)

Looking at the future of anything is difficult when we only consider our own life perspective.

Now, I could be completely and utterly wrong about everything I have said. But I never suggested I was Pete Delkus. However, the Internet Wayback Machine will record this conversation and we'll get a chance to look back 70 years from now...to find out if the sky was falling...or if there were pieces of spaceships dropping from the sky.



References:
"The Next America," Pew Research Center, Last visited April 2014, http://www.pewresearch.org/next-america/

Thanks for posting, pollo!

There was a guy on The Colber' Repor' the other day talking about "Millennials" and how all of that would affect things. I'm not sure if there was a specific topic being discussed, or if it was just "the future" in general, but I don't even remember the guy's name or the book title. It sounded pretty interesting, though. I will look it up later, because the research they're doing on this now is going to be a big predictor of things to come.

On the science front, something else that blew my mind recently is this "Singularity" business. I can't remember that guy's name either, but there's something on Netflix about him/it. I might actually try to find and watch it again, because I fell asleep watching it before. Not because it was boring. It was really late LOL. This guy has critics, but what he was talking about is pretty wild, and it really didn't seem so far-fetched.

Basically, everyone agrees that technology will continue to advance, exponentially, and yeah we're not all in flying cars or riding hoverboards yet, but if you think about it, that shit has really taken off in the last few decades. One of the things I remember most about what this guy was saying had to do with medical advancements. So, if I understood and remember correctly (see above), there could realistically be an end to sickness/disease in the not-so-distant future. With that kind of technological achievement, there could also be even worse problems. But do you have any idea what kind of cultural impact that would have?

Fuggetabout it!

One of the major arguments against our little "hobby," and "promiscuity" in general, has to do with health. And, if you look at "moral issues," throughout history, certain things/behaviors are seen as "bad" because if you do X, then Y may happen. Regardless of the particular issue, however, if Y is no longer a concern, you are now free to do X, and at a certain point, no one even notices or cares.

I am not so worried about "Big Brother" - as the others have stated, if the government wants to know my every move, they're going to be able to do that and I'll never know what hit me. In this regard, I just have to accept the risk and play the odds that I am way too small of a fish for any LE department to want to expend resources on my relatively minute involvement among the millions who hobby.

The much bigger concern I have - and one that I think could substantially impact the provider side, as well - is the substantially increased frequency and availability of spouses/significant others being able to track one's whereabouts on a 24/7 basis. It's doable now, of course, with "Find my Friends" and "Find my iPhone" features but, thankfully, my less-than-tech-savvy spouse hasn't connected the dots on how easy it would be for her to utilize these features. Yet. I have tried to make a habit out of always double-checking my 'locations services' feature on my phone before I go out to hobby, just to make triple-sure she hasn't decided to play with that feature without me knowing about it. Yes, I'm paranoid, and that has saved my ass on a countless number of occasions over the years.

Automated toll plazas and the risk of inadvertently running a light or 'California stop' at a 'red light camera' intersection already has nearly bitten me on the butt. There will almost certainly be other technological advances that will have the unintended consequence of making it ever more difficult to avoid being identified at a location at which you have no good reason for being there. For any spouse who has any suspicions whatsoever about whether her man is playing outside of the relationship, it would be damn difficult to try to argue with her about why we shouldn't turn those location services on if/when she suggests doing so.

Going forward, it may not even be necessary - I can see how future cars may be equipped with built-in GPS locaters (all in the interest of 'our safety') that will be easily accessible by spouses.

Let's avoid the "that's why I'm not married anymore" comments - the real world is such that a VERY healthy portion of the hobbyists are, in fact, married or in relationships where their partners would definitely not approve of the man's activities. The original question posed was regarding what the future of the hobby holds for us and what I have mentioned will play, IMO, a very big part in the evolution of the hobby and how it almost certainly is going to dampen, if not reverse, the spectacular growth we have witnessed in the hobby world over the last 15 years or so.

Technology (as an unintended consequence in both directions) has both giveth and is poised to taketh away the ability to easily hobby with reduced risk of detection.

Just my own personal experience and impact: I stay MUCH closer to my 'home' area than I used to, so that there is a substantially reduced risk of having to answer, "What were you doing in THAT part of the metroplex?" Originally Posted by Mesne

There are so many cameras out there now that you can imagine the government generally knows who has been where and when, and could easily figure out exactly which car was parked at what AMP or apartment anytime they wanted. That is why we need legalization.
Further, no matter how many girls give it away in the future, men will always pay for the pretty ones. There are lots of places I can get free sex. There are not too many places, if any, that I can get sex with gorgeous girls without a substantial consideration in terms of either money, time, etc.
I and every other man out there with disposable income is only a heartbeat away from doing whatever he needs to do to have sex with that gorgeous girl who just walked by in a skimpy dress, blowing in the breeze....civilization tries to tamp that down.

The future? While nobody really knows how it will be, there are some ideas about "the hobby" or more generally "sex" that just wont' go away:

1927:



2014:

http://news.discovery.com/tech/robot...tes-120423.htm

Now, think about that last link for a minute while looking at this one:

http://www.iamnotthebabysitter.com/l...nted-patients/

And people today argue about tattoos and piercings!