when should the session timer start and or end?

Here's a somewhat related question. When seeing a provider, I try to always show up for my appointment with good hygiene. For example, I usually shower ahead of time so I don't take up time with this at the session. But if a provider asks a customer to shower when he arrives for a session, is that supposed to be part of the hour that's being paid for?

Looks like we're not disagreeing after all.

Trouser, don't get your panties in a twist. If you don't care if the provider is comfortable enough to enjoy her session with you, then that is fine, but I can assure you that most hobbyists do care. I also question the moral integrity of men who claim that they will fuck women who are "forced to act like she is into them." Originally Posted by China Doll

Ok if we are gonna drag morals into this, are any of your clients married? If so do you question their morals? Please don't take this the wrong way. This is a discussion forum after all . And no man here wants to see a woman who is forced to do something she doesn't want to do.
If that is the case then the session
should end right then and there and both
go their separate ways. IMHO

Also you ladies do get to choose what you charge for and we get to choose what we will pay for that's the purpose of an ad or website. Am I right or wrong?

Ok if we are gonna drag morals into this, are any of your clients married? If so do you question their morals? Please don't take this the wrong way. This is a discussion forum after all . And no man here wants to see a woman who is forced to do something she doesn't want to do. It that is the case then the session should end right then and there and both go their separate ways. IMHO Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

None taken! I think I can explain my position adequately.

Yes, most of my clients are married. There are certain things that are accepted in this business. I accept that for whatever reason, these men feel that they need to come see me. This is not my moral concern.

Feeling like a cheap piece of meat, on the other hand, is very much my concern. It makes me sick to think that men would have sex with women without any care for how the woman feels. Make sense?

To answer the shower question, I think it depends. I think that it is standard (people, please correct me if I am mistaken!) for women who always require preappointment showers to not count the time against you. A provider like myself assumes that you are arriving freshly showered and groomed, so if your hygiene is not up to par, the shower I will make you take comes out of your time.

None taken! I think I can explain my position adequately.

Yes, most of my clients are married. There are certain things that are accepted in this business. I accept that for whatever reason, these men feel that they need to come see me. This is not my moral concern.

Feeling like a cheap piece of meat, on the other hand, is very much my concern. It makes me sick to think that men would have sex with women without any care for how the woman feels. Make sense?

To answer the shower question, I think it depends. I think that it is standard (people, please correct me if I am mistaken!) for women who always require preappointment showers to not count the time against you. A provider like myself assumes that you are arriving freshly showered and groomed, so if your hygiene is not up to par, the shower I will make you take comes out of your
time. Originally Posted by China Doll

I understand what you are saying unfortunately you as a provider are the one that determines how you feel about yourself. Also unfortunately in this business most ladies and men have issues that are not dealt with and when you charge for the activities you charge for then you will eventually feel like a cheap piece of meat no matter how you try to get around it.

I understand what you are saying unfortunately you as a provider are the one that determines how you feel about yourself. Also unfortunately in this business most ladies and men have issues that are not dealt with and when you charge for the activities you charge for then you will eventually feel like a cheap piece of meat no matter how you try to get around it. Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

I do determine how I feel about myself, yes. That's why I will not lower myself to seeing men who view me so cheaply as Trouserpress seems to view the women he sees.

(It would have been more accurate for me to say that I don't like being treated like a cheap piece of meat rather than that I don't like feeling like one.)

I am also not so sure about your last statement. I have only been providing for a little over a year, so I haven't the perspective, but neither do you.

You are right about my perspective as I am obviously not a provider myself so maybe I should just keep my opinions to myself on that subject lol. Kinds nice to have a friendly conversation without everyone getting all worked up. Too bad you aren't located in Houston. I wouldn't mind meeting you in person

It IS nice, isn't it? Rather refreshing.

Yes mam it is.

None taken! I think I can explain my position adequately.

Yes, most of my clients are married. There are certain things that are accepted in this business. I accept that for whatever reason, these men feel that they need to come see me. This is not my moral concern.

Feeling like a cheap piece of meat, on the other hand, is very much my concern. It makes me sick to think that men would have sex with women without any care for how the woman feels. Make sense?

To answer the shower question, I think it depends. I think that it is standard (people, please correct me if I am mistaken!) for women who always require preappointment showers to not count the time against you. A provider like myself assumes that you are arriving freshly showered and groomed, so if your hygiene is not up to par, the shower I will make you take comes out of your time. Originally Posted by China Doll

I agree... Yes, the shower will come out the gentlemen's time...if they feel that it's necessary. I to assume that the gentlemen will be freshly showered, & groomed.

I thinck CD is fucking hot.........that's my opinion.

Sometimes providers posting themselves in threads of this nature are worse then negative reviews.

Just a thought.

What is the Co-ed board for it not for women & men to talk. & further more....If you don't like what I write...then don't read or comment. It seems to me that...certain people take offense to the women/provider's stating how they feel. Get over it!

Who put anybody in charge of me or anyone else saying how/what they feel...and the veiled threat of Negative Reviews IS BS!!!! If a person decides they want to put a negative review because I said something God Bless them. It's NO ONE'S PLACE TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN & CAN'T SAY.

I didn't notice anyone take offense. Did they??

I perceived some post as taking offense....& that's why I said...what I said. However, if you didn't notice or didn't perceive it that way....that's fine. That's the beauty of everyone having a opinion or their perception.

Well China Doll, I think if you are looking for a "connection" you are looking in the wrong place. We BOTH know why the client is there and if, after a few minutes we haven't established enough of a provider/client rapport to get the session started when will we? This quote: "you do not choose what we providers charge for." is dead wrong and exactly what I meant by if the client has done his homework. If I see an ad for someone I like, I check her reviews. If her services are not compatible with what I'm looking for, I move on. When I say that if you screen properly, I mean that you aren't just making sure I'm not LE, but that you have actually contacted those who have given me okays and found out what you can expect from me in terms of appearance, attitude, and behaviour. If we each have done our part beforehand, we won't need more than a small amount of time to get the ball rolling. If I walk in and you aren't comfortable with me you will know pretty quickly and no amount of time talking will ever change that. As to your statement: "Well, we don't, not if you don't care whether or not we're into you." I NEVER expect a provider to be "into" me. I assume she has a life outside the hobby and is only providing a fantasy for me which forces her to act like she IS into me for the brief time we spend together. The minute I walk out the door, I expect that I am out of her mind until the next time we meet. I'm not a wham bam guy, and as I said I'm a 1 pop per session guy, so scheduling an hour or more allows plenty of time for post session talking if the provider wants. Seems to me that the man wants the pre coital convos to be kept to a minimum and the woman wants the post coital convos the same way. Just the nature of the beasts if you ask me. Originally Posted by trouserpress

I believe she is in part referring to this post, and I'm going to have to agree with her. It really seems to me that this guy wants to argue over nuthin'.