Beware of guys that short you, AFTER you leave

Kelly, You are so out of line. Where the hell is your apology? I HOPE that the reason for the delay is that you have crawled back under your rock and are embarrassed as you should be.

This man is a perfect gentleman and I look FORWARD to seeing him. It is so nice when you can enjoy an AWESOME roll in the hay and not worry about the guy trying to NEGOTIATE your donation. He has NEVER tried to haggle with me (not even when I was SUPER late to see him). Man, I can't believe you would post this b.s. like this, and apparently the 50 bux wasn't even that important to you....otherwise I think you would have COUNTED the donation BEFORE you left him or at LEAST if you did wait til you got home, you would have turned around and went and got it.

I don't know WHERE you drove to see him that any toll cost 10 bux each way, but if that were true, I think I would have made sure to discuss my outcall rate and maybe even upped it to cover the toll. I drive all over the dfw metroplex and have yet to spend 10 bux each way. But whatever.

The racial comment, that was so freakin IGNORANT!!! Wow! You should DEFINITELY deprive yourself of seeing black men from now on.....you apparently have your own OPINIONS already embedded in your head...so why fake it and PRETEND to want to see anyone but your own race?

I have to say that due to my own ignorance, since i became a provider, I have been ripped off, shorted, etc SEVERAL times and I would like to enlighten you on some FACTS.......98% of the bullshitters/ripoffs were WHITE!!!!!! So keep your stupid remarks to yourself!

Now, Shaft, please just let her ignorant remarks roll off your back. You know that what she accused you of is completely out of character. I know it is. Between you and me (and the ENTIRE board, lol) even if my envelope ever WAS short....i wouldn't even notice it (even after counting) becaused I always have such a GREAT time with you.

We all have brains and should really use them BEFORE we insult someone or make false accusations!!!!

Now that i got that off my chest, I am ready to get back to business!! Anyone want to play?

sorry about your experience

Woww.. I have never seen Shaft but have talked to him several times in chat or alot and he has always been respectful. Shame on her she needs to get her ass on here and Apologize to Shaft and to the board for the Racist remarks. Shaft your a hell of a man not to blast her ass back, because most would.

'Don't want to go where they've been'???

What's that thing about you've slept with everyone whom your partner's ever slept with....lol.

I guess by some connection I've banged Tyra Banks! Woo hoo..she was good!!!! So was Beyonce!!! Yayyy!!

I am the man!

On topic, it's amazing that we still live in a time where it's so prevalent. I bet some are pissed at their ancestors for eventually abolishing slavery. Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

lol i was so shocked when i read it, my first mind was to give him a verbal beatdown but being im still a little new i figured it was better not to. it has bothered me since tho

I do not post very much but I feel the need to add my opinion to this particular thread.

I believe in freedom of speech. I believe that every person has the right to voice their opinions regardless of how ignorant and myopic they may be. I also believe that a lady has EVERY RIGHT to not see someone that she is not comfortable with.

Having said that, I really get tired of reading this drivel. For the African American hobbyists like myself that have been doing this for a while and have NEVER shorted a lady and try to treat all providers with the utmost respect, posts like the original one are a slap in the face.

What you don't realize is that because of the negative stereotypes, many "established" African American hobbyists go out of their way to be on time, clean, respectful and make sure that they provide the correct donation. We want to enjoy the company of you wonderful ladies (of all races) just as much as the next guy.

If you look at most of the alerts, whether they be black, white or green, you will find that most are due to lack of proper screening moreso than race, creed, color or national origin. All money is not good money.

For all of the NBA providers, or providers who will jump to conclusions based on race, PLEASE PLEASE put NBA in your advertisements or showcase. That way, all of us who do not fit your criteria can avoid you at ALL COSTS. I never even want to entertain the thought of a lady who has preconceived notions about my character just because of my race. Originally Posted by dicdaddy

You make some great points. She does have a right to say what she said, even though the resulting bash-fest wouldn't be unexpected to anyone with a little sense. It's also a good idea for providers to make their preferences clear lest a nice gentleman like you (or Shaft, apparently!) go unappreciated for that short hour or two.

I know that you probably didn't mean to imply that it is the ladies' faults when an alert-worthy behavior is carried out by a man, but it's hard for me not to take your statement that way. The ladies can do things to decrease the risks of harm, yes, but let's not say that bad things happen because they utilized careless screening techniques or no screening techniques at all. The blame should lie on the perpetrator.

As for the issue at hand, I think it is safe to say that any apologies after this point will be the result of coercion rather than sincere regret. She has had enough time to correct her error. I still think it would be a good business decision for her to at least try to apologize, though...

And so, we wait?

I'm hoping that this will be my last post here in this thread because I fear that now we're reaching a point of diminishing returns.....If Kelly decides she wants to come in and apologize (especially for the race issue that was completely unnecessary, in my opinion), then so be it.....

But, having read and digested Shaft's replies here, and taking his statements to be accurate on what happened between the two of them (I've known Shaft for a helluva lot longer than I've known Kelly and in the many years that I've known Shaft I've never once heard him mentioned in any kind of drama), then I have to wonder why this thread was started in the first place.....Shaft states that the situation was remedied between the two of them prior to the posting of this thread as the $50 was sent to her before she posted here.....So my question then would be "WTF??!!??".....

Yikes. Talk about choice of words. No need to drag race in there Kelly. There's enough ignorance about the hobby that we don't need to add more to it.

I feel somewhat like I may be sticking my nose in others business given the apparent dissatisfaction that I and everyone else can see this thread. But the issues raised are important to me and I would be more uneasy with remaining silent.

I really appreciate your note. This really hurts. I've tried to be such a good character guy in the hobby. I have so much respect and admiration for "All" the ladies in the Business. I have worked so hard to maintain a stellar reputation and character. I had always thought this was the one place I could escape from the day to day pressures we all face and just have fun. But I guess that place doesn't truly exist. It's just a reminder that it only takes one "Oh SHIT" whether it's true or not, to ruin a ton of "Good Deeds". Now, all of a sudden you're guilty until proven innocent. So unfair, but such is life. Originally Posted by Shaft

Shaft, you’re response to this aptly described “mess” was a class act. I do hope you realize that one spurious accusation does not, in fact, ruin a ton of good deeds – either among hobbyists or providers – save in the eyes of those already predisposed to believe what they want (whether due to bigotry or paranoia) without listening to all sides of the matter.

I do not post very much but I feel the need to add my opinion to this particular thread.

I believe in freedom of speech. I believe that every person has the right to voice their opinions regardless of how ignorant and myopic they may be. I also believe that a lady has EVERY RIGHT to not see someone that she is not comfortable with.

Having said that, I really get tired of reading this drivel. For the African American hobbyists like myself that have been doing this for a while and have NEVER shorted a lady and try to treat all providers with the utmost respect, posts like the original one are a slap in the face. Originally Posted by dicdaddy

Well said.

On the other hand, I personally find it encouraging that the overwhelming majority of repliers seem to realize something was fishy and did not jump to conclusions on the shorting issue. I also agree that the racial bit was the other edge of the double-edged sword of freedom of speech. But I support it because I believe it is better to know who harbors such sentiments than to relegate them to silence.

'Don't want to go where they've been'???

On topic, it's amazing that we still live in a time where it's so prevalent. I bet some are pissed at their ancestors for eventually abolishing slavery. Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

You can’t fix stupid. Ignorant, yes, but not stupid.

Oh, one more thought….. Out of curiosity…. When a hobbyist jumps to the defense of a favorite provider we often label those men as the providers white knights so what is the term that is/should be used to describe the opposite - providers jumping to the defense of a hobbyist? Originally Posted by Sensual,kneads

Wonder Woman sets a precedent.

If you look at most of the alerts, whether they be black, white or green, you will find that most are due to lack of proper screening moreso than race, creed, color or national origin. All money is not good money. Originally Posted by dicdaddy

I know that you probably didn't mean to imply that it is the ladies' faults when an alert-worthy behavior is carried out by a man, but it's hard for me not to take your statement that way. The ladies can do things to decrease the risks of harm, yes, but let's not say that bad things happen because they utilized careless screening techniques or no screening techniques at all. The blame should lie on the perpetrator. Originally Posted by China Doll

Respectfully, that is not at all how I read what dicdaddy wrote. Saying that alerts result from improper screening is not tantamount to saying that alert-worthy behavior is the fault of the screeners. I believe his point was that the substance of most alerts does not back up the theory that ethnicity is a factor in those cases.

On a semi-related note, I suspect that all of us, being the human beings that we are, are predisposed to go on the defensive when we notice something that “might” be an inequity against a group with which we identify (whether due to birth or occupation). This, IMO, is not in itself a bad thing, as long as we realize it and give enough benefit of the doubt to seek clarification.

China Doll,

You are correct. I did not mean it like that and I'm sorry you took it that way. I would never blame the victim whether it be hobbyist or provider. The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the perpetrator.

Edited to add: Centaur, you are correct in how I meant what I said.

But back to the topic.

Someone owes someone an apology.

I know that you probably didn't mean to imply that it is the ladies' faults when an alert-worthy behavior is carried out by a man, but it's hard for me not to take your statement that way. The ladies can do things to decrease the risks of harm, yes, but let's not say that bad things happen because they utilized careless screening techniques or no screening techniques at all. The blame should lie on the perpetrator.
Originally Posted by China Doll

I don't know Shaft, personally.... but we have shared some faves from the distant past (one in particular ).... and I have never heard anything but admirable praise of his person and character!! 127 P411 Okays? Duh...

It's cool and nice to know a fine lil lady thought enough of you to tell you about the thread!!

Hobby On, My Good Man!!

Giz

I am very disappointed about this because I thought he was the first African American Man I could trust. Need I say more? Originally Posted by kellyofdallas

Nope. In 2 these sentences you've already spoken volumes.

This is an UTTER OUTRAGE! Holy shit!

First of all- this is an alert, I guess and should not even be posted here but in the ladies area.

Kelly! WTF is wrong with YOU?????? "Need I say more?" WTF is THAT? Are you crazy or just plain stupid???? You are a mean, cruel, ignorant, and racist person. And that is all fine by me- who cares- but damn- you are gonna have alot of trouble from here on out with that graceful attitude of yours. Customer Service is definately NOT your fortee little girl! Maybe you should pick up phone sales where you never know what color the people are on the other end. Would that offend you less?

This thread was about being shorted. You were NOT shorted! You offered a discount on your P411 page. DUH!

And then you have the audacity to make such remarks about an African American man??? WTF! I am so fucking tired of people like you. People who THINK they are Gods gift on earth...well guess what? God made all of us! I am not so sure he made you though. Your attitude stinks and it is stupidity as its finest I tell ya.

By now you are aware I hate racist people and racism period. I know people have preferences and that is perfectly fine AND ACCEPTABLE but Kelly's remarks, attitude and very behavior is NOT fine in any way at all. It was an outright slur and it was made with conviction. Any idiot can see that. I am not happy at all.

Not only is what you said wrong, Kelly, but do you know that it hurts a persons feelings to be judged in such a way. We have come so far and we are such a diverse nation and I cannot believe people like you even when I encounter them. I cannot fathom the reason for such hate and cruelty. There is NO justification for what you said. I would personally NEVER accept your apology. You are beneath that.

How can you be so disrespectful to a person and so mean and hateful just because of their color. Color is a beautiful thing. But you are obvious living in a gray world anyway with that attitude so what does it matter to you, right.

You of all people should know NOT to judge a person. Look at what we do and how we are discriminated against? We know, to a certain extent, what it feels like and we have to face it everyday, Do you like it? I dont and I will NOT and DO NOT sit idly by when someone does what you did. Whether it is done to me in some way because of what I do or whether it is such a case like this one here.

"Need I say more?" OMG! Those words are just ringing in my ears and I can just hear the sarcasm and hate behind those words. You are something else. It is easy for some people to forgive, but it is not as easy to forget. I am assuming you will have lost alot of trust and respect from here on out. Count me in on that for sure.



TO Shaft: We have never met. I am inspired by the kind words in your post. You seem so genuine. It would be an honor and pleasure to meet with you sometime in the future if you are ever in my area or I in yours. I love men- all colors and cultures. You would be extremely welcomed anytime. You are quite a gentleman and have proven so with a considerable amount of OKs and more. I apologize for the ignorant actions of my fellow provider- you can erase many things, my friend, but stupidty is not one of them unfortunately. Take care. XOXO

i wonder why she has not posted a apology yet =/

This is an UTTER OUTRAGE! Holy shit!

First of all- this is an alert, I guess and should not even be posted here but in the ladies area.

Kelly! WTF is wrong with YOU?????? "Need I say more?" WTF is THAT? Are you crazy or just plain stupid???? You are a mean, cruel, ignorant, and racist person. And that is all fine by me- who cares- but damn- you are gonna have alot of trouble from here on out with that graceful attitude of yours. Customer Service is definately NOT your fortee little girl! Maybe you should pick up phone sales where you never know what color the people are on the other end. Would that offend you less?

This thread was about being shorted. You were NOT shorted! You offered a discount on your P411 page. DUH!

And then you have the audacity to make such remarks about an African American man??? WTF! I am so fucking tired of people like you. People who THINK they are Gods gift on earth...well guess what? God made all of us! I am not so sure he made you though. Your attitude stinks and it is stupidity as its finest I tell ya.

By now you are aware I hate racist people and racism period. I know people have preferences and that is perfectly fine AND ACCEPTABLE but Kelly's remarks, attitude and very behavior is NOT fine in any way at all. It was an outright slur and it was made with conviction. Any idiot can see that. I am not happy at all.

Not only is what you said wrong, Kelly, but do you know that it hurts a persons feelings to be judged in such a way. We have come so far and we are such a diverse nation and I cannot believe people like you even when I encounter them. I cannot fathom the reason for such hate and cruelty. There is NO justification for what you said. I would personally NEVER accept your apology. You are beneath that.

How can you be so disrespectful to a person and so mean and hateful just because of their color. Color is a beautiful thing. But you are obvious living in a gray world anyway with that attitude so what does it matter to you, right.

You of all people should know NOT to judge a person. Look at what we do and how we are discriminated against? We know, to a certain extent, what it feels like and we have to face it everyday, Do you like it? I dont and I will NOT and DO NOT sit idly by when someone does what you did. Whether it is done to me in some way because of what I do or whether it is such a case like this one here.

"Need I say more?" OMG! Those words are just ringing in my ears and I can just hear the sarcasm and hate behind those words. You are something else. It is easy for some people to forgive, but it is not as easy to forget. I am assuming you will have lost alot of trust and respect from here on out. Count me in on that for sure.



TO Shaft: We have never met. I am inspired by the kind words in your post. You seem so genuine. It would be an honor and pleasure to meet with you sometime in the future if you are ever in my area or I in yours. I love men- all colors and cultures. You would be extremely welcomed anytime. You are quite a gentleman and have proven so with a considerable amount of OKs and more. I apologize for the ignorant actions of my fellow provider- you can erase many things, my friend, but stupidty is not one of them unfortunately. Take care. XOXO Originally Posted by KlassyKelliAnn

Holy cuss. I don't always agree with your posts KlassyKelliAnn... but you rock.

i agree as well, i had a gentleman email me last week and asked me if i book with "blacks" that had my antennas up already,,, so i respond saying i will book with anyone i can screen he replies back,,, "GOSH! That's too bad! I don't see girls that see blacks!
Definitely don't want to go where they have been, ever!"
^^^now i found that somewhat offensive, growing up in los angeles i am sooo not racist we have a little of everything there so i am used to being around many different races... there are good and bad of people in every race and i think it was very poor taste on her part to make that comment and slander shaft like that! and it was only 50$ come on now! if i was a guy reading this i wouldnt want to see kelly EVER and i also would never see a guy like the one who emailed me either but hey thats just my two cents! Originally Posted by 214JULES

I got the same damn email
I reported his info.... bastard