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Ok you know what? Don't talk about rhetoric when you just spewed a whole lot of BS that you don't even realize is BS, because of course, you don't actually fact check anything, you just swallow whatever load of BS the DNC prepackages for you without the benefit of critical thinking. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

You originally wrote:

Liberals aren't called Gruberites for nothing. The very people they have faith in to take care of them constantly lie to them, manipulate them, and slap them around - and they just line up and say "Thank you Sir! May I have another?" Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

and I said your post was nothing but rhetoric. I stand by my statement, since it is correct. I would assert your "Gruberite" label would apply to most Conservatives who only get their news from Conservative Media.

Lets see, where do I start? Lets start with this - I have a TV that just gathers dust. I don't watch FOX News, I don't watch the O'Reilly Factor, and I don't tune into Limbaugh. I get my news and information from a very wide variety of sources. Ironically enough, the majority of the news stories I read are links on the Huffington Post. Pretty sure no one can hang a conservative label around their necks. So don't try the rhetoric or talking points angle with me. That dog don't hunt. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Good. You are then an atypical Conservative, since most Conservatives get the majority of their information from Conservative Media. Please don't attempt to claim I am wrong about this.

Lets move on. Yes, Roger Ailes does acknowledge that he created FOX News with the purpose of having a media outlet that provides a conservative perspective. That is just awful given that every other media outlet - CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, etc provides media content with a liberal bias. And it bothers you to have one media source with a conservative slant? I'm waiting with baited breath for your condemnation of MSNBC et al.'s liberal bias. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

I have no problem with Fox News, IF THEY WERE HONEST. Their banner Fox News, Fair and Balanced" is a complete lie. Why can't Fox News be honest and simply say "Fox News -- News from a Conservative Viewpoint"?

I would argue ABC and NBC do NOT have a liberal bias. Only Conservatives hold this view. They are called "mainstream media" for a reason.

Regarding MSNBC, it is no secret they have a liberal bias. MSNBC doesn't attempt to lie about its orientation.

But now, lets talk about that bias shall we? Do you even know the difference between news reporting and political punditry? I'm not certain that you do. Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, O'Reilly, Limbaugh - these are pundits, not reporters. Do you know the difference? Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Yes I do. The problem I have with Fox News is their attempt to present news (not punditry) as being objective. As a perfect example, just go to FoxNews.com. Most of the items are presented as news items, not opinion. Most of these so-called items are extremely biased, but Fox News doesn't admit it.

So what do the experts have to say about which media outlet is furthest from center in news reporting? Note: I've shifted gears from discussing political punditry to actual news reporting, a distinction I realize you have difficulty making. I am betting you would be shocked and dismayed to learn that Pew Research Center consistently rates FOX News closer to center than all other news networks. The one and only difference being that FOX leans right of center, while all other media outlets - every. single. one. of. them. - lean left of center. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Please give me a link. I would be interested in seeing their study. I searched their website for "political bias" but the only hits I got were polls they took regarding people's opinions about media bias. I did not find any study where they analyzed news content and made their own determination.

Pardon me, your hypocrisy is showing. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Not at all.

Why does the O'Reilly Factor earn more money than your so-called "regular" shows? Its all about the ratings. O'Reilly spanks his competitors in his time slot day after day, week after week. Just as the other shows on FOX - Hannity, Greta, and others - regularly spank their competitors in ratings. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

I am not sure why you mention ratings. High ratings doesn't negate the fact these shows have an extreme Conservative bias. I don't have a problem with punditry shows since most people can tell this is a single person presenting their views. As I mentioned earlier the problem I have is with Fox News shows that are presented as newscasts.

And, just so we are clear here. Is this the sort of "regular" news shows that attempts to present news in a fairer manner?

[Justin Bieber video] Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

I see nothing in that MSNBC video that is unfair (you mentioned fairness, correct?).
It may be stupid programming to treat celebrity news with such importance, but obsession with celebrity is a different discussion.

[CNN Video Calling Out MSNBC for making fun of Mitt Romney] Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

I would assume that was during the 2012 election season. I would admit the MSNBC guest's comment was in poor taste.

Given you claim CNN has a liberal bias, why would they have that segment where they called out MSNBC on bad behavior? I would think that video supports the assertion that CNN tries to be neutral.

All the news that's fit to print! (err, mock) So tolerant! So professional!

[CNN MSNBC Romney Clip] Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

I thought we were talking about fairness? The supposed "video doctoring" was on MSNBC, and this was during the 2012 Presidential campaign. MSNBC has never denied its liberal leanings.

I am not even sure what the big problem was with the video. The radio show tried to sensationalize the story.

Yup, more honesty from MSNBC!

[MSNBC Fails Video] Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Given this video is from someone and not a respected news source I would be skeptical of its contents unless I was able to verify and see the original stories. Talk about selected editing!!

To my dying day I will never stop laughing at the bimbo opining about "racial overtones". I love that clip! Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Why is that person a "bimbo"? Just because you disagree with her viewpoint? This is a problem I see with many Conservatives -- the inability to discuss issues without unnecessary attacks.

I would hope you would not attempt to assert there is no racism in America, or deny that many Conservatives don't like Obama simply because he is black.

From a political perspective, Obama is not very Liberal, and he definitely has been no more liberal than Bill Clinton. However, Bill Clinton never had to suffer through all the hate-filled vitriol that Obama has, especially from the Conservative Media. Outlets like Fox News or Limbaugh have consistently had news stories or guests who say Obama is a Muslim, a terrorist, a Kenyan, unAmerican, unpatriotic, hates America, is a Communist or Socialist, trying to destroy America, etc.. I think Conservative Media has done a huge disservice to America.

I would argue ABC and NBC do NOT have a liberal bias. Only Conservatives hold this view. They are called "mainstream media" for a reason. Originally Posted by PizzaLover

Only lib-retards hold the view that those networks don't have a liberal bias. And it's noticeable how you didn't mention CNN where Crowley ** moderated** a presidential debate wherein she distorted facts to champion Odumbo's cause and where Crowley gave Odumbo more time because "Odumbo didn't use as many words" in the allotted time as Romney. You also noticeably omitted CBS run by David Rhodes, Odumbo staffer Ben Rhodes' brother.

Schieffer on Obama: 'Maybe we were not skeptical enough' (Politico)

Regarding NBC, one need only look at the how NBC repeatedly distorted the evidence related to the Zimmerman incident to see their agenda. And you must have missed this current event at ABC:

ABC News chief anchor George Stephanopoulos has given $75,000 to the Clinton Foundation in recent years, charitable contributions that he did not publicly disclose while reporting on the Clintons or their nonprofit organization, the On Media blog has learned.

In 2012, 2013 and 2014, Stephanopoulos made $25,000 donations to the 501 nonprofit founded by former President Bill Clinton, the foundation's records show. Stephanopoulos never disclosed this information to viewers, even when interviewing author Peter Schweizer last month about his book "Clinton Cash," which alleges that donations to the foundation may have influenced some of Hillary Clinton's actions as secretary of state.

In a statement to the On Media blog on Thursday, Stephanopoulos apologized and said that he should have disclosed the donations to ABC News and its viewers.

"I made charitable donations to the Foundation in support of the work they’re doing on global AIDS prevention and deforestation, causes I care about deeply," he said. "I thought that my contributions were a matter of public record. However, in hindsight, I should have taken the extra step of personally disclosing my donations to my employer and to the viewers on air during the recent news stories about the Foundation. I apologize."

Stephanopoulos is the chief anchor and chief political correspondent for ABC News, as well as the co-anchor of ABC's "Good Morning America" and host of "This Week," its Sunday morning public affairs program. Prior to joining ABC News, he served as communications director and senior adviser for policy and strategy to President Clinton. He also served as communications director on Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign. (Politico)

Only lib-retards hold the view that those networks don't have a liberal bias. And it's noticeable how you didn't mention CNN where Crowley ** moderated** a presidential debate wherein she distorted facts to champion Odumbo's cause and where Crowley gave Odumbo more time because "Odumbo didn't use as many words" in the allotted time as Romney. You also noticeably omitted CBS run by David Rhodes, Odumbo staffer Ben Rhodes' brother.


Regarding NBC, one need only look at the how NBC repeatedly distorted the evidence related to the Zimmerman incident to see their agenda. And you must have missed this current event at ABC:
Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Again, you're trying to show correlation implies causation. That's a no-no, IB.

Again, you're trying to show correlation implies causation. That's a no-no, IB. Originally Posted by WombRaider

The lib-retard bias is evident in the factual incidents presented, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas, and your asinine deflection is BS, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.

The lib-retard bias is evident in the factual incidents presented, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas, and your asinine deflection is BS, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Only to you, dicken chick.

The lib-retard bias is evident in the factual incidents presented, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas, and your asinine deflection is BS, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Congratulations! You created a post with absolutely zero substance, just name calling. I bet your parents are proud!!

Only lib-retards hold the view that those networks don't have a liberal bias. And it's noticeable how you didn't mention CNN where Crowley ** moderated** a presidential debate wherein she distorted facts to champion Odumbo's cause and where Crowley gave Odumbo more time because "Odumbo didn't use as many words in the allotted time as Romney. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

I saw that debate and I think Candy Crowley did an excellent job of being objective. If she had been partisan, she would have called Romney on his large number of outrageous lies.

You also noticeably omitted CBS run by David Rhodes, Odumbo staffer Ben Rhodes' brother. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Actually Ben Rhodes is President of CBS News, as of 2011.

Just because he is the brother of an Obama speechwriter does not mean his network's media coverage is biased.

I saw that debate and I think Candy Crowley did an excellent job of being objective. If she had been partisan, she would have called Romney on his large number of outrageous lies.



Actually Ben Rhodes is President of CBS News, as of 2011.

Just because he is the brother of an Obama speechwriter does not mean his network's media coverage is biased. Originally Posted by PizzaLover

He can't even get the goddamn names correct. The only thing he can do is copy and past 'odumbo minion' over and over.

Congratulations! You created a post with absolutely zero substance, just name calling. I bet your parents are proud!! Originally Posted by PizzaLover

You're another turnip from Kansas: your head is in the dirt, and you've been well fertilized.

I saw that debate and I think Candy Crowley did an excellent job of being objective. If she had been partisan, she would have called Romney on his large number of outrageous lies.

Actually Ben Rhodes is President of CBS News, as of 2011.

Just because he is the brother of an Obama speechwriter does not mean his network's media coverage is biased. Originally Posted by PizzaLover

Crowley is the one who lied and cheated for Odumbo, and Ben Rhodes is the deputy national security adviser for strategic communication for Odumbo, which wholly illustrates how ill informed you are.

He can't even get the goddamn names correct. The only thing he can do is copy and past 'odumbo minion' over and over. Originally Posted by WombRaider

You'd be the second ill-informed jackass in this thread to get the goddamn name wrong, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. Ben Rhodes is an Odumbo staffer, and FOX wouldn't have misinformed its viewers like you've been misinformed, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.

Only to you, dicken chick. Originally Posted by WombRaider

You're lying again, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. The Russian Times reports the MSM politics of each network: ABC, noting Stephanopoulos ties with the Clintons, is "perceived to have a strong liberal bias"; CBS as being "pro-liberal, pro-Obama bias"; and NBC as being "left-leaning to anti-Fox". RT refers to CNN as the "Clinton News Network".

The Russian Times, goddamn

The Russian Times, goddamn Originally Posted by WombRaider

The Russian Times aren't paid by or obligated to George Soros, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.

The Russian Times aren't paid by or obligated to George Soros, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

No, just Putin. You're a fucking moron, you commie prick.

No, just Putin. You're a fucking moron, you commie prick. Originally Posted by WombRaider

Regardless, it directly refutes your earlier asinine post at # 65, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. BTW, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas, you're the commie prick that voted for Odumbo.

Regardless, it directly refutes your earlier asinine post at # 65, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. BTW, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas, you're the commie prick that voted for Odumbo.
Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You're using a russian newspaper to make your bullshit point. And it doesn't even do that much. You just look like a fool in the process. Calling me a commie as you use a russian newspaper. Idiot.

I love the way you fuckers think every union member or minimal wage worker is automatically a liberal, while all conservatives are all college educated high wage earners. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Well apparently so. Don't all liberals think that conservatives are all rich old white guys? Generally if you are rich you have an education and getting paid well.


Jim