MY WISH { I WiSH We CoulD ReViEw CliEnTs}

I'll take that bet. You see, over the years I've learned this little trick you might try sometime, self-control. It's not because I think she's mean, nasty, or not pretty. I just don't think we'd have a good time. BOTH of us. So why waste her time and my money?

Not once in this thread or any other time did I say one negative thing about SG other than she didn't understand the business side of this equation. She might be a great provider (probably is) and an even better person in real life (probably is that too) but to continue to contend that the guy paying the bill has NO say so in what he will or will not do is simply wrong. He has the ultimate say so.

Jack Originally Posted by ksjack

I never said you have no say. I said you don't makethe rules. For instance, I don't fuck around with cum. Not near any orifices and if it gets on my skin it is immediately washed off. Now you seem to think that you can walk in and cum in my mouth because hey, you paid right?

A bit of a tangent now but it is going somewhere. I had a guy that was about to be my fave fwb ever. Great skills, really fun, spent a lot of time telling how pretty he thought my pussy was. And every goddamn time we got into doggy he'd bust the condom with his nails and try to be sneaky. In his mind, he was making the rules. An asshole thing to do in civvie life and really fucking stupid just generally. I don't see him any more.

The ultimate say so is whether or not I allow you to fuck me. And that is only made when you have shown respect for my boundaries. Because, and here's the kicker, my rules (and most escorts as we'll I believe) areabout boundaries. Its not a 10 dollr minimum on CCs or must use blue ink on a form. Those are rules. Hooker "rules" have to do with respecting the personal boundaries (not preferences) of another human being.

And my boundaries are so much higher on my priority list than you getting your asshole licked that I don't have sufficient words

Do you have a say in what goes on? Of course. I can't force you to see me. But bowing down to this notion that your money has more weight than my comfort level is insane.

Well love her or hate her, SugarBabie can sure stir up the passion.

I would never disagree with her. She's bigger than me and might hurt me! That being said though, I wouldn't mind a client review board at all.

Once the ladies saw how quickly I pay, how small I am and how quickly I finish, they would be begging me to be their client. Originally Posted by jan-w

Damn jan-w, I didn't know we had so much in common....... oh that is right we are just the average clients...

I'm not sure who you're referring this comment to, but its pretty fucking degrading. I'll let you explain this one before commenting further.
Originally Posted by MsElena

I didn't and don't mean it to be degrading, Elena, just a comparison to any other service business.

While this is a very intimate personal service business it is, in the final analysis, a service business and if one wants to learn how to be successful at it then you one needs to look at other personal service businesses.

Take the sex and intimacy part away and substitute something else. Say a carpet cleaning business. They might have rules. Perhaps they won't clean carpets that the seams are obviously in distress for fear of ruining what's still there. Perhaps they won't move very heavy furniture (think Pianos). Perhaps they won't guarantee their chemicals won't change the color of certain carpets.

These are their rules. Based on their rules I have to decide if I want to have them come clean my carpets and accept their rules. If so, I give them money for their service. If not, I don't and look for someone else.

Any business can have its rules as to what it may or may not allow. Common now to see the "no guns" sign at businesses. If am a CCW holder and if I carry regularly I have to decide if I'm comfortable being unarmed to enter their business. A restaurant may have a sign posted "no shoes, no shirts, no service" If I'm barefoot I have to decide if I want to find some shoes and spend my money there or if I simply want to walk down the beach and eat at the outdoor restaurant that has no such rules.

I honestly don't see that as degrading. It's a business. I should know your rules but I don't so I'm making them up here so bear with me. If a session isn't worthwhile to me without greek on the menu, and you don't offer greek, that's your rule. I then need to decide if I want to see you KNOWING that your rules won't give me everything I could possibly want. Perhaps I've heard great things about you otherwise (which I have) and I decide "Oh well, even without the greek it might still be fun" and decide to schedule with you. That's MY CHOICE on whether or not to see you knowing your rules and give you my money, accepting the conditions of your services that are offered.

It would be quite rude for me to schedule and pay you and then, especially if I knew ahead of time that it wasn't offered, insist that unless you agreed to greek action I was going to take $50 back (pretty stupid on my part too, but this is just an example). No, I knew your rules that were in place to engage you in your services and I should realize that those are the rules.

OTOH, if greek is really that important to me, then I'd probably just say "too bad, she doesn't offer what I want", and move on to the next service provider that did have what I wanted on the menu.

Certainly you have the right and ability to run your personal service business however you want but ultimately it's my choice to decide if I want to see you based on your rules and stipulations.

Better?



Jack

PS: The rest of your post, Elena, is echoing exactly what I said and I agree with you 100%

I never said you have no say. I said you don't makethe rules. For instance, I don't fuck around with cum. Not near any orifices and if it gets on my skin it is immediately washed off. Now you seem to think that you can walk in and cum in my mouth because hey, you paid right?
Originally Posted by SillyGirl

Show me the post where I ever said that.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

Jack

I think this started with I wish there was a review board for men, then some how got in to a stuggle over who has the power.

Don't really care about the power thing - both have the power not to see the other.

However, if I found a review had been written about me, I would not see the provider again. Just as the ladies who have a No Review policy, do not see the client again if they find that a review was posted.

You can chalk it up to my frail ego, if you want, but it is just my choice. Same that the ladies have, if the want a no review policy.

Man, this has been WAY over complicated.

Lets try to simplify things and get back to reality:

1. I have da poosy, and I get to decide who is allowed access to my golden possy. I get to decide what I will or won't do, who I will or won't do it with, and why and why not.

2. Men have da money, and they get to decide when, where, why, and with whom they part with their money.

3. The idea of a review board for providers to review hobbyists is pointless. Consider the following hypothetical:

* Provider A writes a 'review' and raves about what a fabulous guy John A was. I'm not going to call him up and book an appointment. For reasons, see #2. This is the hobby, not a Sadie Hawkins dance. In spite of my tongue in cheek review, a positive review of a guy means nothing, cause its the men who do the asking here, not the ladies.

*Provider B writes a 'review' and rants about what a jerk John B was. (oh wait, this is exactly what ProviderBuzz, DangerZone, P411, and DC are for). All she's done is just duplicate a warning that is already available to us on numerous forums. This information is at least useful unlike the above hypothesized 'rave' review, for reasons see #1. However, it is not as though this information cannot already be disseminated through existing forums. So a "review" board becomes redundant. So it becomes redundant. Get it?

There, did I cover all the bases? Lets get back to discussing my rave review, or discussing situations when the capacity to suck all of the air out of a room is in fact a good thing. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Bingo.

Jack

I think Elena is about right this time. Who has the power? Both do. Guys can withhold their money and the women can withhold their service. The one with the power is the one who cares the least. It can be either provider or hobbyist.

stay on track guys, and remember, the ladies want to review the men on an entire different set of criteria. even so, i'm not a bit ashamed of my equipment, or my ability to perform. nor am i worried that the way i treat the ladies i see would stop other providers from seeing me. so I DON'T CARE if they review me even in public. the question is why do YOU care if they do?

Show me the post where I ever said that.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

Jack Originally Posted by ksjack

The one where you said "I have the ultimate say." I quoted it befoe, first post on this page I believe.

and all the horse chit about le keeping a file on the hobbiest... c'mon, REALLY? I think you're either just ashamed of what you have, how you perform, or how you treat the ladies. You gals want a place to start a list on who not to see? Just scroll up through this feed and you should have a very good start.

The one where you said "I have the ultimate say." I quoted it befoe, first post on this page I believe. Originally Posted by SillyGirl

You mean this one?

Originally Posted by ksjack

My money, My rules. Basic business concept.

Jack

And from that you got:

Originally Posted by SillyGirl
I never said you have no say. I said you don't makethe rules. For instance, I don't fuck around with cum. Not near any orifices and if it gets on my skin it is immediately washed off. Now you seem to think that you can walk in and cum in my mouth because hey, you paid right?

I never said that.
I never meant that.
Every post I've made after and before has never indicated I thought that.

Get your head out of your ass.

Jack

And anyone that tries to correlate this businss with any other is just wrong. You can't take the human and intimat aspects of it. It would be like debating the merits of different window cleaners but not ever taking the actual cleaning of windows into account. The very personal nature of thisbusiness why thecustomer is not always right. We aren't shop clerks or waitresses. We share the most fundamental parts of natures with strangers.

Sigh. The quote, first post, this page, last sentence.

Reedign iz the hard.

You can't beat me jack.

can't we all just get along?