More gun violence, Connecticut School Shooting

Every time dozens of innocent Americans get gunned down by crazies, this justification of GUNS for ALL ensues.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves and let the little murdered kids get cold before you start beating your breast for your God given right to bear arms.

You know, it's hard to cure cancer. You can do things to limit your risk of heart disease (some of you fuckers would need to have a heart though). But REAL easy to cut down on gun deaths.

Shame on you.

FUCKING IDIOTS!

That's a great overstatement.It is true that the .38 may not stop SOME criminals, but it will certainly stop MOST of them.

The value of a gun lies mostly in deterrent effect. Pull a gun on a burglar, mugger or rapists and 99% of them will run or stop whatever it is that they were doing. I don't think I have ever heard of a criminal who had a gun pulled on him, but decided to keep on robbing/beating/raping his victim because the pulled-gun was "only" a .32 or .38.

And for the remaining 1%, nearly all of them will be dead or debilitated when you actually do shoot them.

So, we are talking VERY small numbers when you talk about crazed criminals who keep attacking after you pull the gun and then keep attacking even after they get shot.

I read somewhere that the weapon of choice for mob hitmen was the .22. It was small and easy to conceal and was relatively quiet when fired. They just made sure they shot their victims in the head - typically multiple times.

So, smaller calibers are still deadly and I think they are good enough for the general populace.

But whatever. I can live with letting people carry .45s if I have to. Just make sure it is a revolver, not a big-clip automatic. Originally Posted by ExNYer

"The 1986 FBI Miami shootout was a gun battle that occurred on April 11, 1986 in an unincorporated region of Miami-Dade County in south Florida between eight FBI agents and two serial bank robbers. During the firefight, FBI Special Agents Jerry L. Dove and Benjamin P. Grogan were killed, while five other agents were wounded. The two robbery suspects, William Russell Matix and Michael Lee Platt, were also killed.
The incident is infamous in FBI history and is well-studied in law enforcement circles. Despite outnumbering the suspects 4 to 1, the agents found themselves pinned down by rifle fire and unable to respond effectively. Although both Matix and Platt were hit multiple times during the firefight, Platt fought on and continued to injure and kill agents. This incident led to the introduction of more powerful handguns in the FBI and many police departments around the United States."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Just an FYI, William Russell Matix and Michael Lee Platt weren't even on drugs!

BTW, regarding the M1911, there was no "over statement". That tidbit was passed along as part of the standard U.S. Army M1911 instruction and qualification process.

Every time dozens of innocent Americans get gunned down by crazies, this justification of GUNS for ALL ensues.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves and let the little murdered kids get cold before you start beating your breast for your God given right to bear arms.

You know, it's hard to cure cancer. You can do things to limit your risk of heart disease (some of you fuckers would need to have a heart though). But REAL easy to cut down on gun deaths.

Shame on you.

FUCKING IDIOTS! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Fuck you, Assup!!! Little Timmy Boy's anti-gun, agenda-driven post started a large part of this exchange, so the fucking shoe is on the other foot! Every time there is an incident like this there is a howl from the Kool Aid clan who want to confiscate guns from millions of law abiding citizens who killed no one and who broke no laws.

Very sad about the deaths today, however at some point these deaths need to be put into perspective. And for you Gun Control believers, apparently you think that you can legislate crazy. Good luck with that. Here's some stats, the number of people killed in 2011:

Automobiles = 32,367
Guns = 9,146

Looks like we need legislation to get the crazy's off of the road far more than we need to focus on gun control.

Neither of these make the top 10 causes of death in the USA:

Heart Attack (very rare when with a provider) = 599, 413
Cancer = 567,628
Lower respiratory disease = 137,353
Stroke = 128,842
Unintentional Injury (accidents) = 118,021
Alzheimer's = 79,003
Diabetes = 68,705
Flu + Pneumonia = 53,692
Nephritis, Nephrosis = 48,935
Suicide = 36, 909 Originally Posted by Charlie Drake

What is the point of comparing gun deaths to accidental deaths and diseases? What does that prove? You're comparing apples and oranges.

The mortality rate for humans is 100%. Sooner or later, something is going to get everyone of us. The key word is "sooner".

Gun deaths cut people's lives short. They are intentional, not accidental. They are unnatural, not natural.

If someone is shot and killed in his 20s or 30s, it is no consolation to him or his family that natural causes would eventually gotten him in his 70s or 80s, anyway.

We have to learn to live with and accept the things we cannot change - ultimate death in the (hopefully) distant future.

But we don't have to accept mass murder of children by guns.

Fuck you, Assup!!! Little Timmy Boy's anti-gun, agenda-driven post started a large part of this exchange, so the fucking shoe is on the other foot! Every time there is an incident like this there is a howl from the Kool Aid clan who want to confiscate guns from millions of law abiding citizens who killed no one and who broke no laws.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

No, man, fuck YOU!

There's just no place for this kind of discussion and I don't give a frog's fat ass who started it. I just know what I'm reading is an affront to sensibility at this God awful moment. If the perp has no gun, nobody's kindergartener dies today. End of discussion. The rest are details and subjects of debates with more facts than how many people die each year from tetanus.

You want to rail on about gun control, your rights or Kool Aid, please do. But be aware that with every drop of venom dribbling from your mouth right now, you're telling the world that you're a heartless shithead who obviously has no family.

Please just go away! DIPSHIT!

You're the ones too stupid to connect the dots, morons. Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people and injured over 800 with motor fuel and fertilizer. Someone intent on killing others always has a weapon available. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Well, IBSuckingDonkeyDick, the rationale I have highlighted in red for ease of reference means that we need to issue everyone the weapon(s) of choice.

I just love it when the "Guns Don't Kill People, People etc etc etc" and "If They Want To Do It Bad Enough etc etc etc" tired boolsheet gets dragged around like the proverbial $2 whore.

The object, you picket-fence-toothed Teawipe Parrotriots, is to make it AS HARD AS POSSIBLE to kill people - especially a lot of them at once.

Now, IBFuckedInTheAssByMarkroxny'sP arrot, go try to buy McVeigh's ingredient list, mofo. Wonder how far you'll get?

What do you care, Wave? You're one of the people here advocating for the death of certain posters. You'd think you prefer lax gun laws. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I don't think I ever mentioned using guns.

No, man, fuck YOU!

There's just no place for this kind of discussion and I don't give a frog's fat ass who started it. I just know what I'm reading is an affront to sensibility at this God awful moment. If the perp has no gun, nobody's kindergartener dies today. End of discussion. The rest are details and subjects of debates with more facts than how many people die each year from tetanus.

You want to rail on about gun control, your rights or Kool Aid, please do. But be aware that with every drop of venom dribbling from your mouth right now, you're telling the world that you're a heartless shithead who obviously has no family.

Please just go away! DIPSHIT! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

If you're so fucking anxious to end the discussion, jackass, quit agitating, you fucking moron! BTW, fuck you!!!!

Why don't we just issuing a big gun to standard equipment of being a us citizen?
Or a little nuclear bomb?

Well, IBSuckingDonkeyDick, the rationale I have highlighted in red for ease of reference means that we need to issue everyone the weapon(s) of choice.

I just love it when the "Guns Don't Kill People, People etc etc etc" and "If They Want To Do It Bad Enough etc etc etc" tired boolsheet gets dragged around like the proverbial $2 whore.

The object, you picket-fence-toothed Teawipe Parrotriots, is to make it AS HARD AS POSSIBLE to kill people - especially a lot of them at once.

Now, IBFuckedInTheAssByMarkroxny'sP arrot, go try to buy McVeigh's ingredient list, mofo. Wonder how far you'll get? Originally Posted by Randy4Candy

It's obvious U B Sucking Donkey Dick, you Dim-witted moron. You've always sucked donkey dick, so your confession offers no new insights about your character!

It remains, if a perpetrator is intent on killing someone or a bunch of people, the perpetrator will find a weapon to do it!

Why don't we just issuing a big gun to standard equipment of being a us citizen?
Or a little nuclear bomb? Originally Posted by waverunner234

You're a typical, Kool Aid sucking Dim-wit, Wavy! You always expect the government to do everything for you!

You're a typical, Kool Aid sucking Dim-wit, Wavy! You always expect the government to do everything for you! Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Of course, that's the only reason we have a government.

Can you think of any other reason why we chose a government?

Hi there cunt! You're welcome to come try and make me. You might want to take the training wheels off first. Or maybe you need them, I'd want it to be a fair fight. Originally Posted by LovingKayla

Classy. This isn't about you. This about dead children. You are a bad person. If you actually know these people put down the hooker board and go be a decent human being instead.

It's obvious U B Sucking Donkey Dick, you Dim-witted moron. You've always sucked donkey dick!

It remains, if a perpetrator is intent on killing someone or a bunch of people, the perpetrator will find a weapon to do it! Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Boo-fu*king-hoo, Nimrod. I figured you'd be all over waverunner's "personal size nuclear bomb" issuance and trying to figure out how you and Glenna can get yerselfs one.

Yep, once every 15-20 years some citizen finds the ol' acorn and "saves the day." In the mean time, thousands of people get killed by guns and John Q Public and his trusty .44 seem to have missed the party. Well, whoop-tee-doo-dah-day! You're not even smart enough to be classified as a maroooooon (that's "moron" for all of you who don't understand English).

Of course, that's the only reason we have a government.

Can you think of any other reason why we chose a government? Originally Posted by waverunner234

Uh, to protect our freedom? At least that was why we originally formed this government. It's not that way now.