Clark County (Vegas) commissioner tells lawful Americans to make funeral plans

You're an idiot.
Originally Posted by ExNYer

I won't let the motion die for lack of a 2nd.

I'll second it!

I won't let the motion die for lack of a 2nd.

I'll second it! Originally Posted by bigtex

Even now, Professor Ex Post Facto is trying to think up new lies and distortions to cover up his earlier lies and distortions.

Edit to add stelprdb5335085.pdf

stelprdb5335086.pdf


Pay particular attention to the "Conflicts with Existing Direction" beginning on page 11.

I myself have been pushed to the brink before with conflicts in direction by both superiors and bureaucracy.

Some 50 other ranchers have been pushed out in this area. My guess is it is mostly due to these conflicts which they asked to have clarified. Congress refused even though apparently both BLM rangers and ranchers asked for clarification.

Does Bundy owe the money? Yes, If he just pays the fees he has no leverage. Some men will comply with anything, others will just walk away. Bundy has made the choice to stand up and say something is wrong. Maybe he has drawn enough attention to correct the wrongs, maybe he gets his ass handed to him. I don't know. History will tell us if he did the right thing.

Fortunately someone at the BLM or higher up realized there was not going to be a good ending and rather than have another Branch Davidian massacre on their hands they decided to back off. Good on them.

There are a lot of people out there convinced it was not a withdrawal but a tactical retreat. Maybe so. The amount of force that was brought seemed a bit ridiculous. For that reason alone I for one am proud of the citizens that went to the Bundy's aid. I wish I could have been with them. Some of them were probably nut jobs looking for a fight but there were enough cool heads among them to keep that from happening.

It has at least brought attention to some kind of land deal that was possibly being manipulated by Harry Reid for his own benefit. I'm sure that will get as much attention from the AG as Lois Lerner but at least it's out there.

Is it about grazing rights, turtles, multinational corporations, mineral and water rights, deeds, or just plain greed? The answer lies somewhere in the middle of all of that but with the bunch of jack asses in Washington playing their gotcha games we'll never know the truth. They want it to be this convoluted so they can keep tossing it in a circle. It's time to throw the whole lot of them out and start over. This is why we need term limits in Congress.

And where was the press? I spent the little free time I had this weekend looking all over for someone other than Infowars to get information. I saw a brief blog on ABC.com, Fox and CNN ran some occasional text on their scrolls, Reuters finally published something about it Friday evening but not much else and that was the only thing I saw that didn't have an opinion either expressed or implied. We need to demand better from our press corps too.

senator reid weighs in

I like some of the comments by readers

http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/st...14I5GhESg.cspx

there seems to be some confusion abt what land was for the solar deal..but there does seem to be, or was to be, a solar deal with reid and his son benefiting

Over 100 comments and not one in support of Reid.

As the press release from the BLM clearly states; “The Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone is the first of several pilot plans to be developed by the BLM,” .......................

The area that the Bundy Ranch sits on was being t-eed up to be another "pilot" project !

http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/new...ergy_Zone.html

Here is the BLM report on the Dry Lake Solar project...take a look at the project map (page 7) and where the Bundy Ranch is located...........smack in the middle of the project area !

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...ch%202014).pdf

A picture of Dingy Harry breaking ground on the pilot solar project..........

Here are a few facts that should cause a few people's head to explode. The tax that the rancher is refusing to pay and for which he owes over one million was the result of Executive Order #12548 from Ronald Reagan signed in 1986.

Here are a few facts that should cause a few people's head to explode. The tax that the rancher is refusing to pay and for which he owes over one million was the result of Executive Order #12548 from Ronald Reagan signed in 1986. Originally Posted by BigLouie

VERY INTERESTING!

Why have I got a sneaky suspicion that in some way the Chinese are involved in all of this?

Here are a few facts that should cause a few people's head to explode. The tax that the rancher is refusing to pay and for which he owes over one million was the result of Executive Order #12548 from Ronald Reagan signed in 1986. Originally Posted by BigLouie

yup...

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archive...986/21486b.htm
Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees
February 14, 1986


By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:

Section 1. Determination of Fees. The Secretaries of Agriculture and the Interior are directed to exercise their authority, to the extent permitted by law under the various statutes they administer, to establish fees for domestic livestock grazing on the public rangelands which annually equals the $1.23 base established by the 1966 Western Livestock Grazing Survey multiplied by the result of the Forage Value Index (computed annually from data supplied by the Statistical Reporting Service) added to the Combined Index (Beef Cattle Price Index minus the Prices Paid Index) and divided by 100; provided, that the annual increase or decrease in such fee for any given year shall be limited to not more than plus or minus 25 percent of the previous year's fee, and provided further, that the fee shall not be less than $1.35 per animal unit month.

Sec. 2. Definitions. As used in this Order, the term:

(a) ``Public rangelands'' has the same meaning as in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 (Public Law 95 - 514);

(b) ``Forage Value Index'' means the weighted average estimate of the annual rental charge per head per month for pasturing cattle on private rangelands in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service from the June Enumerative Survey) divided by $3.65 and multiplied by 100;

(c) ``Beef Cattle Price Index'' means the weighted average annual selling price for beef cattle (excluding calves) in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) for November through October (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service) divided by $22.04 per hundred weight and multiplied by 100; and

(d) ``Prices Paid Index'' means the following selected components from the Statistical Reporting Service's Annual National Index of Prices Paid by Farmers for Goods and Services adjusted by the weights indicated in parentheses to reflect livestock production costs in the Western States: 1. Fuels and Energy (14.5); 2. Farm and Motor Supplies (12.0); 3. Autos and Trucks (4.5); 4. Tractors and Self-Propelled Machinery (4.5); 5. Other Machinery (12.0); 6. Building and Fencing Materials (14.5); 7. Interest (6.0); 8. Farm Wage Rates (14.0); 9. Farm Services (18.0).

Sec. 3. Any and all existing rules, practices, policies, and regulations relating to the administration of the formula for grazing fees in section 6(a) of the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 shall continue in full force and effect.

Sec. 4. This Order shall be effective immediately.

Ronald Reagan

The White House,

February 14, 1986.

[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 10:32 a.m., February 18, 1986]

http://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_...Fees/index.asp

These are the current grazing fees for 2014.

I don't know why you think that this would makes someone head explode. As has been pointed out previously even Ronald Reagan made mistakes and this may have been another one. Of course this case started in 1993 under Clinton (gotcha!). The fees today are about $15 a head. It doesn't say whether it is a month, a week, a season, or a year but the Bundy's run about 900 head. So that is about $15,000 for whatever period to run their cattle on the public land. Wait a minute! They owe about $1.1 million for 20 years of grazing. That comes out to about $55,000 a year. Those numbers are off. Can you imagine having to pay $55,000 a year for grazing rights and trying to turn a profit.

Anyway, this is not about grazing, this is about money, Chinese money and dirty Harry Reid.

You did see on your chart the cow calf (which Bundy runs) are N/A didn't you?

regardless of where one's feelings lie and whether or not you think the federal government has grown beyond all bounds, or if you are quite happy with every government agency you can name having its own army and swat team (and with them all trying to buy hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of rounds of ammo), I think you can agree that this was a story deserving to be covered by the news media from whatever angle

why is it not one news outlet but fox had a truck and crew at the scene?

are they that far into the bag for the Obama administration or democrats in general that they don't want to show any sort of turbulence under the calm sea surface they attempt to convey?