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[QUOTE=ms_elizabeth;2906623]GJ...establishing yourself here by writing reviews of local verified providers (or by receiving "OK's" from them on P411) really is the easiest way to prevent this issue for you.

What is P411?


[QUOTE=anita germane;2906704]actually by you saying you met her halfway..you actually didnt..all a dl says about you is..your name and perhaps your legal to drive..and a passport shows you can drive or fly outa the country...and why would a provider need to know if you can get in or outa the country? Or even care?

Miss Anita, I was just trying to make it work. I was surprised by the request for my employment information. I am a newbie. I didn't understand that the word "screen" meant "work". How was I to know???? When I asked why she wanted that, she said as proof of my identity. So naturally, I offered what I would consider the best proof I have, my license and passport. I had nothing to do with leaving the country. So why do you attempt to riducule me for offering it? I don't understand.

it also kinda confirms to me that you really dont care if this girl ends up in jail or not..due to the fact your not attempting to show your not le..but only that you can get outa the country...

I was not concerned about her ending up in jail because although you may not know it, I know that I'm not LE. Soooo... knowing that I'm not going to arrest her, you're right, I'm not concerned that she might end up in jail, because I know it's not going to happen. Jeeesh.

I bet if you were to go back to provider "A"...to see her...
..expect she will ask for screening info from you again regardless who the provider is that is going to vouch for you..because if you gave that info to provider "B" (supposedly)
you wont have any problem showing it to provider "A"

Why would I ever go back to provider "A" ???? Makes no sense.

Well this pretty much says that no screening is perfect and if you are engaged in the hobby, either as a provider or a consumer, you are taking a risk of getting busted. You may be able to lessen the risk through some type of screening, but a sting is always a possibility.

Isn't this true with all aspects of what we are doing? You can limit your exposure to LE, health risks, robbery, or anything else that could potentially happen. But we all take a risk every time we set up an appointment. We all weigh the rewards versus the risks and our individual comfort level determines what we do.

Just as Lex has heard of experiences of providers getting busted, I have heard of hobbiest getting busted.
I now do as much as I can to limit my exposure and look at the hobby as nothing more than getting my rocks off. Originally Posted by wantsome

Most of the men here have supported both sides of the argument, respecting the woman's right to do what she needs to do and respecting the man's right to do what he needs to do. It's a shame that some of the women here can't be as fair. If you don't subscribe to their way of thinking, you don't deserve to live...lol.



[QUOTE=ms_elizabeth;2916449]

Not speaking for everyone, but if you gave me your employer info and you have only worked there a short time and my google-fu doesn't give me any previous employer/business related info associated with your name I would be suspicious...

ms elizabeth, for arguments sake, it seems to me that it would be much easier to fake some web pages than a passport. A passport, while certainly possible, would be a challenge. Any 12 year old with a laptop could fake a work history online. Or is everything online true?

We all need to draw our own lines in a sand and respect where each has chosen to draw theirs. Originally Posted by trojantide

thats what makes us upscale..our clientèle

While that may certainly be true in some cases, it seems to me that a person willing to give up their work information may be willing to do so simply because they don't have much to lose. Someone with a high profile or very well paying job (upscale) may be unwilling to risk that simply for 60 minutes of pleasure. Especially when he has other alternatives. Just sayin'.


when a gent tries to get over on the screening process he usually comes out from that situation in a less than happy and scared as shit thought of "Omfg should i get myself checked!!"

but hey..at least you dint have to screen...sounds like you found a win win!!woohooo!!

Actually, I came out drained and smiling. The young lady is a very well reviewed verified provider here. While she only has about half as many reviews as you do (less active is a good thing from my perspective) all of them are positive, as are yours. However, I noticed that you both have been reviewed by some of the same hobbyists. Soooo.. "Omfg should i get myself checked!!" would also apply to you and everyone you've "screened". Apparently, this "screening" isn't as foolproof as you thought. And no, I won't identify her so you can get your claws into her....lol.

honestly..
Im sure that Le really doesn't need you or your companies help busting provider's..im sure they have that part of the situation under control..ijs...but hey im sure they got a fun lil chuckle outa your statement...

I didn't offer my help to LE so your comment makes no sense. And I agree, they probably would chuckle since it is so easy to do and you are stating publicly (is this public?) that you would fall for it.



trust..is the #1 ingredient of any relationship... Originally Posted by anita germane

Trust. Here's something we can agree on. However, I always thought that in order for trust to have value in a relationship, it had to go BOTH ways. You want the man to trust YOU with his work information while the only way you'll trust him is if you have his nuts in a vise.... ouchie!


To all here..... Have a nice day!

I was surprised by the request for my employment information. I am a newbie. I didn't understand that the word "screen" meant "work". How was I to know???? When I asked why she wanted that, she said as proof of my identity. So naturally, I offered what I would consider the best proof I have, my licenseand passport.

You are definitely not the first hobbyists to do that!

gj...im hardly ridiculing you...and if i had your balls in a vice..you'd def know..

goodluck to you in this hobby...

How often do we hear of newbies have difficulties providing references and screening information while still protecting their private lives and identities?

I'm of the philosophy that you trust no one! Unfortunately, this hobby requires a leap of faith to enter this little world. Choose that person with the utmost caution and make sure she is sane! (not kidding there)

If I could offer a small tip to the new guys entering the hobby that yields tremendous results; come here, learn the board, be nice and respectful. Not that hard (for most haha) and you don't have to divulge any personal info. Allow the women to become comfortable with your persona. That's what they are looking for when they screen and allow you into their homes. They want the security they you are who you say you are, not violent or rough, and hygienic When the ladies feel they know you through the board, it goes a long way.

I could tell you just from posting on this board and through the occasional pm, I've been fortunate to see women who were not accepting new clients and UTRs let alone the ones looking for clients. Often my references went unchecked or were not even required.

OK..Lets say that your new to the hobby. After awile you've managed to see two or three ladies and gotten promises from them to vouch for you.
Now you think your problems are over, RIGHT?
WRONG!!
Now your going to discover that some ladies don't like to give ok's to other providers.
Some are very good when it comes to answering questions from other providers, others are not. Maybe they don't want to take the time,maybe they are unfamiliar with the provider, or maybe they dont want to share.Kind of a Why should I take bread off my table and put it on hers?
Also, these ladies have to deal with an incredible amount of bogus phone calls,pm's,and text messages. After awile they develop a kind of built in spam filter to weed out the bullshit. A request could get lost in the cracks.
Do yourself a favor and join P411.A provider can quickly see how many ok's you have,when you got them, and who gave them.Saves everyone involved time,effort and headaches

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

How often do we hear of newbies have difficulties providing references and screening information while still protecting their private lives and identities?

I'm of the philosophy that you trust no one! Unfortunately, this hobby requires a leap of faith to enter this little world. Choose that person with the utmost caution and make sure she is sane! (not kidding there)

If I could offer a small tip to the new guys entering the hobby that yields tremendous results; come here, learn the board, be nice and respectful. Not that hard (for most haha) and you don't have to divulge any personal info. Allow the women to become comfortable with your persona. That's what they are looking for when they screen and allow you into their homes. They want the security they you are who you say you are, not violent or rough, and hygienic When the ladies feel they know you through the board, it goes a long way.

I could tell you just from posting on this board and through the occasional pm, I've been fortunate to see women who were not accepting new clients and UTRs let alone the ones looking for clients. Often my references went unchecked or were not even required. Originally Posted by mwebber

All above does not work for all. But can be the key to see all ya want to see.

OK..Lets say that your new to the hobby. After awile you've managed to see two or three ladies and gotten promises from them to vouch for you.
Now you think your problems are over, RIGHT?
WRONG!!
Now your going to discover that some ladies don't like to give ok's to other providers.
Some are very good when it comes to answering questions from other providers, others are not. Maybe they don't want to take the time,maybe they are unfamiliar with the provider, or maybe they dont want to share.Kind of a Why should I take bread off my table and put it on hers?
Also, these ladies have to deal with an incredible amount of bogus phone calls,pm's,and text messages. After awile they develop a kind of built in spam filter to weed out the bullshit. A request could get lost in the cracks.
Do yourself a favor and join P411.A provider can quickly see how many ok's you have,when you got them, and who gave them.Saves everyone involved time,effort and headaches Originally Posted by Perfect Gentleman

also true.

Oh and don't be like that jackazz OSD.

edit add:
read
her web site
her showcase
her posts
her reviews
And
reviews/posts of who has seen.

never target just a few. It took many years too be me to see only a few and not burn.

LOL...OSD,With that unique personality of yours how did you get your first provider to agree to see you when you were just starting out?
I don't want to know if it involved a kidnapping or any type of hostage situation.
Share what must be a good story..lol

first I had to find the right bars and restaurants. Then learn my place in the pecking order. (Shit like this was not on the web.) Then watch and learn.

truth be told, first time with Hunter its was ahhh so so just ok. 3rd time she came back to this before I was on her. ATF never was hot. But was always Hot to trot. So I never got to see her much. That is till she left, then came back. The last errr 1st in the current mix was not easy at all.

I agree...KEY WORDS ( WATCH AND LEARN )
Newbies remember that.

I agree...KEY WORDS ( WATCH AND LEARN )
Newbies remember that. Originally Posted by Perfect Gentleman

That is the best advice for any newbie, i think i was on here for 6 months before i took the plunge. But i came on here almost everyday to see what was going on, and damn look at me know 25 reviews and my pocket is lighter!!! But boy the fun ive had in doing it and ive met so many new people makes it well worth it!!!

Next best advise I could give them is if you dont know ask the question, no question is a stupid question they are all good. Look at it this way if you have the question so do 50 other peolpe!!! Ask away and happy Hunting!!

Sorry to go off topic but what shall I change it to? Originally Posted by Lexxxy

Okay, okay. Let's call it temporary insanity on my part.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze DON'T change it!

OK..Lets say that your new to the hobby. After awile you've managed to see two or three ladies and gotten promises from them to vouch for you.
Now you think your problems are over, RIGHT?
WRONG!!
Now your going to discover that some ladies don't like to give ok's to other providers.
Some are very good when it comes to answering questions from other providers, others are not. Maybe they don't want to take the time,maybe they are unfamiliar with the provider, or maybe they dont want to share.Kind of a Why should I take bread off my table and put it on hers?

Do yourself a favor and join P411.A provider can quickly see how many ok's you have,when you got them, and who gave them.Saves everyone involved time,effort and headaches Originally Posted by Perfect Gentleman

This newbie would appreciate it if a couple of you would expand upon exactly how P411 works. I did look at the website. Pros and Cons? Any opinions from knowledgable folks would be appreciated. It sounds like even if you join you're still not "in" because you still don't have any references?

goin hard and go in often have fun and do your research.
research research research and remember some posters thing a girl is a 10 and u think its a 5, some guys have different tastes, do ur research.

primo i know if he really likes agirl i go the other way we see chicks differently just the way it is , not everyone sees it the same way, but have fun and go hard.
the new utr is this jessica in n falls, wow, ill review soon saw her last night, shes incredible, reviewed on here and they are dead on, shes a good on.e

JACK

It's called PREFERRED411
Just punch it in on your PC and it will take you to site.
It will explain it much better than i ever could.
Basically you will have to give info.to prove you are who you claim you are.Once they verify you theres a yearly fee.
.
A verified provider can look and see that the site ok'd your info.
You still won't have any references but at least they can see the site ok'd you.
As you gradually see more providers you ask them to give you their ok, same as a reference on the site.
Theres no easy way to get a ton of references when you first start out but this should make it easier.