Interesting article from Fox about the newest variant

^^ getting real facts is at best now difficult , from anyone ,Hospital/ doctors report to AMA and CDC soo

Please read the link, the data’s from Israel, not the USA. The Israeli thing is not just a blurb. You brought up a valid point.
Originally Posted by Tiny

It is only valid if you ignore the rest of the actual numbers.

Jazz is cherrying picking numbers out of context.

I could argue it was just ignorance up to now but after you have provided him context...he will just be lying if he continues to make that silly ass claim.

You live in fucking Israel?

https://www.rivm.nl/en/news/4-in-5-c...not-vaccinated

4 in 5 COVID-19 patients in intensive care are not vaccinated against the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. The chance that a fully vaccinated person will end up in ICU due to COVID-19 is 33 times lower than for a non-vaccinated person Originally Posted by WTF

Out of every 100,000 people over 75 years old who are not vaccinated, 3.8 were admitted to hospital. Out of every 100,000 people over 75 years old who are vaccinated, 0.35 were admitted to hospital.

Wow! Just wow. This is a good example of how you really see how effective the vaccines have been when you segment by age. So yes, 20% of the patients in the ICU beds are vaccinated. But if you were over 75 and unvaccinated, your chances of ending up in the ICU from COVID were 11X greater. Something similar is going on in the 50 to 74 age group for hospitalizations, although you can't read the numbers from the graph. For the under 50’s the reduction in hospitalization rate for the vaccinated is off the scale. And overall, the chance of ending up in the ICU is 33X lower for the vaccinated!

It is only valid if you ignore the rest of the actual numbers.

Jazz is cherrying picking numbers out of context.

I could argue it was just ignorance up to now but after you have provided him context...he will just be lying if he continues to make that silly ass claim. Originally Posted by WTF

If he reads the links in my old post he may change his mind.

If he reads the links in my old post he may change his mind. Originally Posted by Tiny

They do not believe anything that changes their perception of their reality.

He is down to believing only nurses who refuse to get the vaccine.

The fact that the much more highly educated doctors are themselves getting vaccinated at a 98% clip does not seem to concern him.

Hell even Trump got vaccinated AFTER he caught Covid.

These folks think odds of 100 to 1 are good! I'd like to put them on a plane with 200 other passengers and let them know that 2 random passengers would be dead when they landed and see how many bought a ticket for that flight!

highly educated doctors are themselves getting vaccinated at a 98% clip. Originally Posted by WTF

That agrees with this American Medical Association survey. 96% had gotten the vaccine back in June, and 45% of the remaining 4% were planning to get vaccinated.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cente...ross%20regions.

Hell even Trump got vaccinated AFTER he caught Covid. Originally Posted by WTF

Interesting point. Trump reportedly hasn't gotten the booster. With immunity from the disease added to the two COVID shots, he's probably still in reasonably good shape.

These folks think odds of 100 to 1 are good! I'd like to put them on a plane with 200 other passengers and let them know that 2 random passengers would be dead when they landed and see how many bought a ticket for that flight! Originally Posted by WTF

Great analogy for the population as a whole!

As you know your odds of dying vary greatly depending on your age and health. I bet the infection fatality ratio is a good bit below 1% now for the previously uninfected and unvaccinated, given that the hospitals aren't overcrowded, we have more knowledge and tools to treat the disease, and the young are a larger % of the unvaccinated. Add to that, over 80% of the population has some immunity from vaccination and infection. Thank you President Trump, for Operation Warp Speed, which got us to where we are so quickly!

So you trust a few nurses and antidotial evidence is with you're saying? Originally Posted by WTF

No, although I’m sure they’re great resources. I trust doctors on the front lines, most notably the anesthesiologist I happen to be married to, who spend their days intubating covid patients.

Please provide your sources.

See above.

No, although I’m sure they’re great resources. I trust doctors on the front lines, most notably the anesthesiologist I happen to be married to, who spend their days intubating covid patients


See above. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

BOOM

No, although I’m sure they’re great resources. I trust doctors on the front lines, most notably the anesthesiologist I happen to be married to, who spend their days intubating covid patients.


See above. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

BOOM Originally Posted by bambino

Boom to more bullshit antidotial evidence

No study. No peer review.

Just a suspect ,"My wife is an anesthesiologist"

May I suggest your wife look over the Israeli study and compare your conclusion to Tinys'. If she comes to the same conclusion as yourself may I further suggest were you ever to go under the knife to use a different anesthesiologist or at the very least have another anesthesiologist check your anesthesiologists' wife's, concoction

Great analogy for the population as a whole!

As you know your odds of dying vary greatly depending on your age and health. I bet the infection fatality ratio is a good bit below 1% now for the previously uninfected and unvaccinated, given that the hospitals aren't overcrowded, we have more knowledge and tools to treat the disease, and the young are a larger % of the unvaccinated. Add to that, over 80% of the population has some immunity from vaccination and infection. Thank you President Trump, for Operation Warp Speed, which got us to where we are so quickly! Originally Posted by Tiny

How about this....if a 100 mothers took a 100 kids and 200 grandparents on a flight and they said if we all take the vaccination x number will be dead when we land and if none of us take the vaccination (x)10 will be dead but mostly just the old folks....which flight is the more humanitarian? Which the more selfish?

Out of every 100,000 people over 75 years old who are not vaccinated, 3.8 were admitted to hospital. Out of every 100,000 people over 75 years old who are vaccinated, 0.35 were admitted to hospital.

Wow! Just wow. This is a good example of how you really see how effective the vaccines have been when you segment by age. So yes, 20% of the patients in the ICU beds are vaccinated. But if you were over 75 and unvaccinated, your chances of ending up in the ICU from COVID were 11X greater. Something similar is going on in the 50 to 74 age group for hospitalizations, although you can't read the numbers from the graph. For the under 50’s the reduction in hospitalization rate for the vaccinated is off the scale. And overall, the chance of ending up in the ICU is 33X lower for the vaccinated! Originally Posted by Tiny

If you’re over 75 you’re going to die of something sooner or later. Most likely sooner. DUH


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/VSRR10-508.pdf

They do not believe anything that changes their perception of their reality.

He is down to believing only nurses who refuse to get the vaccine.

The fact that the much more highly educated doctors are themselves getting vaccinated at a 98% clip does not seem to concern him.

Hell even Trump got vaccinated AFTER he caught Covid.

These folks think odds of 100 to 1 are good! I'd like to put them on a plane with 200 other passengers and let them know that 2 random passengers would be dead when they landed and see how many bought a ticket for that flight! Originally Posted by WTF

one in 107


The odds of dying in a car crash are one in 107. Roughly speaking, you have a less than 1% chance of dying in a car crash during your daily drive.May 8, 2021


What Are the Odds of Dying in a Car Crash? - Fort Worth, TX

one in 107


The odds of dying in a car crash are one in 107. Roughly speaking, you have a less than 1% chance of dying in a car crash during your daily drive.May 8, 2021


What Are the Odds of Dying in a Car Crash? - Fort Worth, TX





Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

This from your article and somewhat relevant.

But driving sober around intoxicated drivers also increases your risk. The most likely time of day for a fatal car accident is Saturday night leading into Sunday morning. The second-most likely time of day for traffic fatalities is Friday night leading into Saturday morning. Drunk and high drivers account for the increase in fatal accidents during the weekends.

If you’re over 75 you’re going to die of something sooner or later. Most likely sooner. DUH


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/VSRR10-508.pdf Originally Posted by bambino

The main reason I hot vaccinated was because I did not want to be the reason some 75 year old kicked the bucket....because of my selfishness not to get vaccinated.

I drew no conclusions, although if I were to they’d be that at my age, weight and current fitness level Covid is nothing to worry about. I’m more likely to get mauled by a polar bear in Miami Beach. If you’re really old, a heavy smoker or fatass then get vaxed, nobody is stopping you. I’ll leave my immune system intact.