BBW and rates

Sexy Princess...JUSTCAUSE and HGRITSTOO are correct. You say the hobby has given you some self esteem already so you have had some good experiences. Build on those experiences and continuing gaining swag as a sexy woman. Worry not about those who are into spinners...its just a preference.

As for those that insist on throwing out insults based on what they think is appealing, they also have low self esteem and want to bring you down to their level OR are playing a game to see if you can be psychologically bullied to lower your rates. YOU offer specials when you are ready and willing to do so on YOUR terms. You take care of things within your control...in call location clean, you are fresh...yada, yada...and the rest will take care of itself.

Sweetie do whats right for you ..I have been considered a BBW for years but now I'm called thick and curvy ..I also dropped 60 lbs in the last year ..but I didn't do that because some guy called me fat or a whale , I did it for me , to feel better about me .I love the new me and I'm working hard to get where I want to be , but I will never be a spinner because that's not who I choose to be..

If you like who you are don't let anyone tell you different , and by damn charge what you want to charge it's your body your decision.. Embrace who you are and love yourself.

Other people have said this, but I'll reiterate here.
1. There will always be detractors, regardless if you are 200 or 80 lbs. Figure out what you do well, and do it. Though my "natural" preference would be to a woman on the thinner side, I will take a BBW who has the skills, who is enthusiastic, who wants to make sure that I get what I came for as many times as I can possibly do it. In other words, fuck his brains out and do it as many times as you can in the allotted time!

2. Do what you can (exercise, yoga, martial arts, whatever) to remain and/or increase your flexibility. The more flexible you can be with positions, etc., the more success you will have. Work out and do the Asian Cowgirl. Or at least be able to do cowgirl with a bigger guy with a small dick like me.

Again, though my preference would not be BBWs, I'd rather be with a BBW with great skills, enthusiasm, and passion than a spinner who is more passive and is ready to be done once I've shot once.

Some caution against this, but as your building your business, and you are proving your skills, enthusiasm and passion, give some review specials to get the word out there. I know I'd certainly partake in that.

Most guys pay for chicks they can't go to a bar and pickup...which they can with fat girls...

Fortunately for you, a lot of other guys in the hobby have massive self esteem issues which cause them to pay for women who they think won't insult their appearance/performance because of the providers appearance/performance...

Unfortunately for you, Houston has a lot of fat girls...both as hookers, and not...so they're setting your rate for you...

Either way, don't expect to be able to charge a premium for your services...

P.S.-I know what the standard of beauty is in this country, and that's what I pay for...and I still don't pay a premium for anything above that...so good luck... Originally Posted by Wakeup

I disagree.

I love to feel a women with soft curves against me.

just cause you like skinny chicks doesn't mean all of us do. most of those magazines what goes for 'hot' are based on opinions of homosexual men or women. guys have evolved to go for females with curves.

I just did a tour of Chicago and got a rude email stating that someone like me shouldn't charge what I do. (I don't know if it was my size or age.) Never-the-less, I was booked solid and left very happy.

When I first started 4 years ago, I was a bit smaller and I gained some weight since. You know what - I am busier once I gained the weight than before.

There is some great advise in this thread (as well as some not so good advise). Take
what works and leave the rest alone.

Another thing you should know, is that any man who isn't attracted to you, isn't going to pay to spend time with you. Originally Posted by honeydavis

100 percent correct, they are very attracted to you they just want a cheaper rate, that's all it boils down to. they don't have a problem with your size, but they are trying to use it againist you to justify a cheaper rate, DON'T FALL FOR IT.

BBW woman are beautiful it doesn't matter what size you are im tired of all the industry standards curvy women can rock your world like no other!

My former friend is a BBW posting on Backpage in the Raleigh/Durham area. She's been charging $40 for her services...and has been in the hobby for longer than me. Really sad that some BBW's have resorted to cheapening themselves in order to get business. I've had guys not want to pay my advertised rate after meeting me in person, saying that I was too big...but yet my weight, height and measurements were clearly posted in the ad.

A few people here on ECCIE gave me great advice not too long ago and I have taken it to heart. I won't go low just to get a client. If I saw a client for $80 and word got out about it....then everyone else would want to pay me $80 for an hour...and that's never going to happen.

And what about the guys who say a BBW's rates is "too high"? Since when is $100 high? One client tried to give me $30 after I spent TWO HOURS with him. Another supposed BBW admirer asked me after a session if he could pay me with PayPal...um NO!

I'm not complaining, just stating my experiences. I've learned from them and will not lower my rates to satisfy a few people who don't want to pay a high quality BBW provider what she's worth.

Maybe the best all time quote I have ever read about body weight and image.

"Darling I never step on a scale, because the scale doesn't measure sexy!"
- Bella Dolce

Sexy is an internal, emotional, mental, sexual and spirtual-ness thing (I think I just made up a word ), not external physical attributes.

Two cents.

I think wakeup gets paid to be a drama king....either that, or there are lotsa not nice things we could all say about someone of this nature, either way.....this fella deserves little or no consideration. Sorry wakey....you need some lessons on humanity. Here are some words of the day for ya that you might apply when addressing others......compassion, kindness, intelligence. Here's some that are specific to you and you could work on to change within yourself, so maybe one day, you'll be considered human.......arrogant, prick, cheapskate.....ijs Sorry, but it is what it is, and you don't seem to mind the bluntness......I'm remaining positive, because there is hope for everyone. I'd like to believe that maybe...just maybe, if ya hear it enough, there's at least a slim possibility that it will finally sink in. Hey, I'm just the messenger.....everyone thinks it of ya and I'm sure you're often told much the same.....that might be a clue, dude. Good luck!

To the OP.......you've been in the biz a while, so you should keep track of and be aware of the market ups and downs for ladies in your category at least. The whole self confidence and finding your niche works great!. My motto....if something you repeatedly attempt ain't working (in this case, you're not getting the biz you desire), then ya need to change what you're doing, or you're gonna get the same result. So, new pics, new wording in ads and profiles, new anything you think you can live with and that will attract the type of gents YOU want to provide for. It's your biz and you can be anyone and provide in whatever manner YOU see fit.

A**hats, who say stupid and insulting things to you, or any lady, should be given the credence that all A**hats, in every walk of life, are given.....that would be none! Lots of angry hateful folks in this world who love to have others join in their misery or try to provide others with some of their own. smh They take every opportunity they can to find, and are able to utilize, in order to ensure they are not alone. So you be happy girl......don't worry with these sad sack individuals. Always keep the positive statements that decent gents make, at the forefront of your thoughts of yourself.....let the negative bounce off the others, if ya will. I don't think there are many ladies here who have not, at least one time, experienced some idiot telling them they are not worth what they have as their posted rate. You, and every other lady here, are priceless, sweetheart! Never ever forget that! Best of Luck!!!

I live in NY and NY BBW's (especially the ones advertising on Backpage) are selling themselves very cheaply. I get emails everyday from guys that try to get me to accept low rates ($30, $45, 65 and $80).

One guy said that any guy would be crazy to pay me $200 for an hour, accused me of "being out of my mind" and hung up the phone on me.

When I am in other states, I rarely have these problems. I realize that I'm not for everyone. Not everyone will agree with my rates and I dismiss those men who try to haggle my rates.

Originally Posted by XoticSynn

But guys do this to skinny, and HWP, females, too.

And that is what you need to remember. You're being insulted but that is part of this business. I have seen, with my own eyes, gorgeous women get insulted, dickered with, etc.

To the OP: Men are just using your weight to pick on you, which is ridiculous because, it just is.

If your in this business, regardless of size, you're going to run into people who are just rude.

Until recently, I had 2 roomies who men would write "not a spinner and not a BBW" and one of them wore a size 6-8. It was crazy. Now, one still considers herself "bigger" and she wears a size 10. It's crazy.

Besides, every person is more than her, or his, physical bearing.

Don't let the naysayers get you down. Listen to the advice given and keep your head, and your heart, strong.

Then, make a bunch of money and tell the mean ones to fuck off, but do what I do and be nice about it.

Best,
Elisabeth

I like women of all shapes and sizes from spinner to BBW. Sexy Princess, you look pretty damn hot to me!

Voluptuous women give the best sessions from my experience. Those who limit their options by excluding full figured woman are losing out. And that leaves more time for these women to be available to the men who truly appreciate their appearance and other qualities.

"Sexy is an internal, emotional, mental, sexual and spirtual-ness thing (I think I just made up a word ), not external physical attributes."

Amen!

I think wakeup gets paid to be a drama king....either that, or there are lotsa not nice things we could all say about someone of this nature, either way.....this fella deserves little or no consideration. Sorry wakey....you need some lessons on humanity. Here are some words of the day for ya that you might apply when addressing others......compassion, kindness, intelligence. Here's some that are specific to you and you could work on to change within yourself, so maybe one day, you'll be considered human.......arrogant, prick, cheapskate.....ijs Sorry, but it is what it is, and you don't seem to mind the bluntness......I'm remaining positive, because there is hope for everyone. I'd like to believe that maybe...just maybe, if ya hear it enough, there's at least a slim possibility that it will finally sink in. Hey, I'm just the messenger.....everyone thinks it of ya and I'm sure you're often told much the same.....that might be a clue, dude. Good luck! Originally Posted by MaxiMilyen

If I got paid to be a drama king, I'd be filthy rich...as it is, I get paid to tell the truth, so I'm moderately wealthy...

I know more about humanity than you give me credit for. People are not required to interact with other humans in any way. Compassion and kindness are not requirements of any human interaction...and arrogance isn't something that indicates someone isn't a human...

I also realize that what other humans think of me is irrelevant, a concept that most humans can't grasp. My opinions are my opinions, and no one can disagree with me on them. It cracks me up when people see my opinions about my personal standards and call me a prick, or a cheapskate, or unintelligent...because what has happened is that person has taken my opinions, applied their completely arbitrary standards to it, and then discounted mine...as if theirs are somehow better.

The fact is, as I've said before, that there is a standard of beauty here in this country, and being fat isn't it. If you assume that people in this business are going to pay for beauty, then you won't be able to charge as much as other women. Since I know that the hobby is full of guys who refuse to see beautiful women because of their own self esteem issues, they'll be happy to pay your rate, whatever it is.

In other words, as I said back on page 1, charge what you want, some idiot will pay to fuck you...you'll just have a lot of competition in Houston, since it's chock full of fat hookers already...