Tylenol link to Autism

I think I finally beat RX at his own game, satire nobody can understand. Joel Wallach, a veterinarian, coined "Dead Doctors Don't Lie," the idea being that if you followed your doctor's advice you'd end up dead. Which, at some point, is absolutely true!

Wallach promoted his brand of nutritional supplements, based on his experience as a vet. He was wildly popular on my father's side of the family, who were all farmers and ranchers. Two of my aunts actually went to see him in person.

Wallach wanted people to take massive quantities of his supplements. I probably would follow his advice if I had a business extracting mother's milk or raising humans to slaughter and sell the meat. But otherwise I'd far prefer a medical doctor's advice.

My two aunts who were big Wallach fans lived into their early 90's, and an uncle who also was until his late 80's. So who knows. Maybe the vets are better than the doctors! Originally Posted by Tiny

Actually the vets understand a lot more than people realize. Especially drugs, side effects, and nutrition. Farmers/ranchers control diets and understand how important nutrition really for health.


While vets don't always know exact things that human medical doctors know, they can tell when a doc is not being honest. Funny thing is a medical doctor changes their attitude just by knowing you farm and deal with life science issues.

Actually the vets understand a lot more than people realize... Originally Posted by farmstud60

Kramer says it all (post #61).

We better get back on topic before biomed wanders in. So,


American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Affirms Safety and Benefits of Acetaminophen during Pregnancy

The following is a statement from Steven J. Fleischman, MD, MBA, FACOG, president of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG):

“Suggestions that acetaminophen use in pregnancy causes autism are not only highly concerning to clinicians but also irresponsible when considering the harmful and confusing message they send to pregnant patients, including those who may need to rely on this beneficial medicine during pregnancy.

“Today’s announcement by HHS is not backed by the full body of scientific evidence and dangerously simplifies the many and complex causes of neurologic challenges in children. It is highly unsettling that our federal health agencies are willing to make an announcement that will affect the health and well-being of millions of people without the backing of reliable data.

“In more than two decades of research on the use of acetaminophen in pregnancy, not a single reputable study has successfully concluded that the use of acetaminophen in any trimester of pregnancy causes neurodevelopmental disorders in children. In fact, the two highest-quality studies on this subject—one of which was published in JAMA last year—found no significant associations between use of acetaminophen during pregnancy and children’s risk of autism, ADHD, or intellectual disability.

“The studies that are frequently pointed to as evidence of a causal relationship, including the latest systematic review released in August, include the same methodological limitations—for example, lack of a control for confounding factors or use of unreliable self-reported data—that are prevalent in the majority of studies on this topic.

“Acetaminophen is one of the few options available to pregnant patients to treat pain and fever, which can be harmful to pregnant people when left untreated. Maternal fever, headaches as an early sign of preeclampsia, and pain are all managed with the therapeutic use of acetaminophen, making acetaminophen essential to the people who need it. The conditions people use acetaminophen to treat during pregnancy are far more dangerous than any theoretical risks and can create severe morbidity and mortality for the pregnant person and the fetus.

“When considering the use of medication in pregnancy, it’s important to consider all potential risks along with any benefits. The data from numerous studies have shown that acetaminophen plays an important—and safe—role in the well-being of pregnant women.”

https://www.acog.org/news/news-relea...phen-pregnancy

LOL, if you actually ever talked with a Veterinarian vs a Medical Doctor I would trust the Veterinarian more too. Originally Posted by farmstud60

I think I finally beat RX at his own game, satire nobody can understand. Joel Wallach, a veterinarian, coined "Dead Doctors Don't Lie," the idea being that if you followed your doctor's advice you'd end up dead. Which, at some point, is absolutely true!

Wallach promoted his brand of nutritional supplements, based on his experience as a vet. He was wildly popular on my father's side of the family, who were all farmers and ranchers. Two of my aunts actually went to see him in person.

Wallach wanted people to take massive quantities of his supplements. I probably would follow his advice if I had a business extracting mother's milk or raising humans to slaughter and sell the meat. But otherwise I'd far prefer a medical doctor's advice.

My two aunts who were big Wallach fans lived into their early 90's, and an uncle who also was until his late 80's. So who knows. Maybe the vets are better than the doctors! Originally Posted by Tiny

Well, maybe if it was James Harrington.
Otherwise i'm in the dark about such since I have never had a primary care doctor. Hell, never had one short of teeth and eyes. Don't get sick. Does that mean vaccines work?

And heard on the radio today that donny is gonna tariff the beejeebers out of name brand pharmacuticles (sp) that are imported unless said company is making big investment stateside.

Was this Tylenol thing the opening salvo? (idk who owns the name.)

There’s substitutes (ibuprofen, naproxen) that a woman may choose to use instead if she wants. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Yeah, she might just do that, and end up with a dead, deformed or retarded baby if RFK Jr and the plaintiffs attorneys shut down Tylenol sales in the USA.

I feel like I'm in a Planet of the Apes movie, where everything's topsy turvy. Twenty years ago if a Republican had an eighteen year old living in his basement, and said eighteen year old used the excuse that he was mentally deficient and therefore could not get a job, he'd get kicked out of the house or at least told to get off his lazy ass and go to work. The reason there's so much more autism and ADHD is because the psychologists diagnose it more. My most successful friend would be diagnosed with ADHD if he ever submitted to a psychological examination. Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk reputedly are autistic.

Your Republican of 20 years ago would call this bull shit for what it is. He certainly wouldn't have proposed suing the drug companies out of existence. That was what Democrats did. And the Democrats were into wishy washy excuses as to why people couldn't succeed in life while the Republicans didn't brook excuses. Not any more. Apparently now that's flipped too.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a pied piper who somehow got Donald J. Trump and a high percentage of Republicans to follow him mindlessly into his crusade to make life more cushy for lawyers who sue drug and vaccine makers.

Tiny,


The sad part is that the supposedly "scientific" community that should tell the truth just spouted garbage.


The problem is always dosage and amount of usage. Those " experts " totally ignore those studies that mention dosage.

Tiny,


The sad part is that the supposedly "scientific" community that should tell the truth just spouted garbage.


The problem is always dosage and amount of usage. Those " experts " totally ignore those studies that mention dosage. Originally Posted by farmstud60

Hey Farmstud, yeah, dosage and amount of usage are concerns. A Cuban stripper I used to know would get a headache and pop about 6 or 7 Aleve in one evening. That would send her blood pressure sky high. There must be pregnant women doing something similar with Tylenol, because they don't read the label.

A person should strive to take the minimum amount of an OTC pain reliever to control the symptoms, but many people are dumb asses and don't do that.

I've looked at the abstracts for the papers referenced by the posters in this thread and then some. The majority are old studies where the women self report consumption of Tylenol, sometimes years later.

One large study, considered the best as of a few years ago, had the women report consumption contemporaneously, during their pregnancies. It showed pregnant women who took Tylenol on a total of 1 to 7 days had a 13% LOWER probability of having a child with autism or ADHD (I don't remember which) than women who didn't take it. But the confidence interval was wide enough that they weren't sure the Tylenol was helping prevent autism or ADHD. At 8 to 28 days of use, the women had a slightly greater chance of having children with autism/ADHD, but again they weren't sure whether that was statistically significant. At 29 days and above, the probability of ADHD/autism was higher.

There were cord blood studies done five or so years ago as well, and also a very recent plasma study. They attempted to sidestep the issue of women self reporting use of Tylenol, by actually measuring Tylenol markers in bodily fluids. And yes, they also showed increased incidence of autism/ADHD in women to took more Tylenol. The incidence appeared to be a function of the amount of use.

So case closed, right? This all supports what you said, the effects depend on dose and how long you take it.

Well, not necessarily. The gold standard study was published in 2024, and examined women who had multiple pregnancies, and who were interviewed through their pregnancies by nurses or researchers to contemporaneously determine Tylenol usage.

So a woman uses Tylenol during, say, her first pregnancy, but not during the second. So you'd think the chances of the first child being autistic or hyperactive would be higher, right? Well, nope. Actually the probability was 2% LESS the first child would have autism or ADHD. Which is so small as to be statistically meaningless.

What's going on? Well, the correlation isn't between Tylenol usage or measles vaccines as RFK Jr. and his merry band of plaintiffs' lawyers would have you believe. It's between genetics and autism/ADHD. Both are highly heritable. And it's very possible that women carrying the autism/ADHD genes are more inclined to pop Tylenol. There are scientific grounds to believe they're more sensitive to pain. Please note the "gold standard" 2024 study removed genetics from the equation, by looking at Mom's who used Tylenol in at least one pregnancy but not in others.

I don't have any problem whatsoever with the FDA changing the warning label for Tylenol, as long as what it says is true and as long as Congress exempts makers of Tylenol from liability from dumb asses who take too much. And as long as the labels don't encourage women to take NSAID's, like ibuprofen, aspirin, and Aleve, which are much more dangerous to fetuses and embryos than Tylenol.

Around 92% of people receive the Mumps/measles/rubella vaccine. So 92% of people with autism and ADHD received the vaccine. Kennedy's trying to make it easier to sue the vaccine makers for autism, who currently have legislation protecting them. After the plaintiffs' lawyers run through all the vaccine makers money and bankrupt them, like they did Dow Corning (manufacturer of silicone breast implants which were every bit as safe as saline implants) and American manufacturers of private planes, they'll want someone else to go after. And so Kennedy is paving the way to go after the 60% of the autistic and hyperactive population whose mother's took Tylenol. Because that's what doctors tell all mothers to take instead of NSAID's.

Kennedy's planning for the long term! I use to think he was brain dead, from either the worms in his head or the abuse he put his body through when he was young. Listen to him talk. But maybe that was wrong, and he's crazy like a fox!

Tiny,

The problem is there are very few black and white answers in life science. The whole Tylenol debate has nothing to do with risk but calling the other side liars.

Our government is bought and owned by cronies whom we elect. Nothing will change unless there is real reform (and I'm not talking Communism like some lunatics want). I'm talking about getting back to Capitalism.

Tylenol themselves know the truth and even tweeted about it in 2017.

There are many low IQ individuals who are filming themselves taking it while pregnant and putting it on TikTok. One is even in critical condition in a hospital and is likely going to die because she ruined her liver. She was on a ventilator as of 5 days ago. These people need help. The 24/7 care kind, away from sharp objects.

>What would life expectancy be without pharmaceuticals? Sixty? The >COVID vaccines may have killed thousands. They also saved millions. >Trump realizes that btw.

Wow. Where are these numbers? The numbers we are seeing are all about infertility, and early death due to these weird "clots" found in autopsies. There isn't enough curiosity to get this information in the main stream because Pfizer owns our politicians.

Politicians should be required to wear a QR code all the time so we can scan them and see who the are beholden to because it's not the voters.

Tiny,

The problem is there are very few black and white answers in life science. The whole Tylenol debate has nothing to do with risk but calling the other side liars. Originally Posted by farmstud60

I kind of agree Farmstud. There are instances where the preponderance of the evidence leads you to believe one side or the other.

>What would life expectancy be without pharmaceuticals? Sixty? The >COVID vaccines may have killed thousands. They also saved millions. >Trump realizes that btw.

Wow. Where are these numbers? The numbers we are seeing are all about infertility, and early death due to these weird "clots" found in autopsies. There isn't enough curiosity to get this information in the main stream because Pfizer owns our politicians.

Politicians should be required to wear a QR code all the time so we can scan them and see who the are beholden to because it's not the voters. Originally Posted by orallvr69

That was a question, about life expectancy. Please feel free to answer it. What was life expectancy before we had antibiotics, insulin, blood pressure medication, chemotherapy, etc.? Forty or fifty years?

As to COVID, for lives saved see

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jpc.16213

Here's a link that shows President Trump does realize that the COVID-19 vaccines saved millions, like I wrote:

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-...ccines-1774178

Likewise please feel free to try to find a credible, peer-reviewed estimate of the number of people who died worldwide as a result of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine. Please note that "died after" and "died as a result" are not the same thing. 100% of people who take the vaccine, or an aspirin tablet, will die afterwards. You may be able to find a credible source that indicates less than 1,000 people died. You will not be able to establish than over 999,999 died from the vaccine.

It would also be very interesting if you could to the same for any study that shows people who took mRNA COVID vaccines became infertile as a result.

If you do this, please do it in another thread as we're off topic and if biomed finds out there could be hell to pay.

Tiny,


"I kind of agree Farmstud. There are instances where the preponderance of the evidence leads you to believe one side or the other."


Not exactly. It might vary from 1% to 5% negative outcomes but you never know for sure. There 100,000 variables from genetics to metabolism to half life of drugs to drug interactions to something in the local aire or water nothing has zero risk. Dosage is huge.


Vitamins can be a poison especially A and E, but not enough of either one and a person gets sick as well.


To me all the Tylenol debate shows is people really don't want to know the truth or have transparency in the risks of drugs and treatments.

Tiny,


"I kind of agree Farmstud. There are instances where the preponderance of the evidence leads you to believe one side or the other."


Not exactly. It might vary from 1% to 5% negative outcomes but you never know for sure. There 100,000 variables from genetics to metabolism to half life of drugs to drug interactions to something in the local aire or water nothing has zero risk. Dosage is huge.


Vitamins can be a poison especially A and E, but not enough of either one and a person gets sick as well.


To me all the Tylenol debate shows is people really don't want to know the truth or have transparency in the risks of drugs and treatments. Originally Posted by farmstud60

Hi Farmstud, Agreed about the supplements, they're often not good for your liver. I do take Vitamin D, because my blood levels are on the low side, and Magnesium well below the RDA. Also a garlic supplement, and WYID's immune boosting regimen when I'm sick or around a ton of people (airports, etc.)

I asked ChatGPT what was the most dangerous if taken daily, 10,000 IU of Vitamin A, 1000 IU of Vitamin E, or 650 mg of Tylenol. This is what she said,

Comparative Risk (for liver)

Highest risk: Vitamin A 10,000 IU daily, since chronic intake at the UL can cause progressive liver injury.

Moderate risk: Vitamin E 1,000 IU daily, mainly bleeding and systemic effects, not direct hepatotoxicity.

Lowest risk: Tylenol 650 mg daily, assuming no alcohol abuse or pre-existing liver disease.

It probably makes more sense to place warning labels on higher dose Vitamin A and Vitamin E than Tylenol, although it may make sense to have them on all three.

There are "A" and "E" supplements at a lot higher and lower doses, but based on a quick look on the internet, the 10,000 IU and 1,000 IU pills (respectively) seem to be the most common. The 650 mg of Tylenol would be two tablets.

One year doesn’t do much harm to liver. Ten years more damage to liver.

I know Mom got along quite well with arthritis drugs for about 20 to 25 years and then issues with kidneys and liver.

Yeah, she might just do that, and end up with a dead, deformed or retarded baby if RFK Jr and the plaintiffs attorneys shut down Tylenol sales in the USA... Originally Posted by Tiny

She might be dead if RFK Jr ran her over with an 18 wheeler. Regardless, nobody is taking it off the market, unless it where proven to be dangerous. The simple act of raising questions because some studies intimated a possible linkage is known as, uhhm, what's the word? Oh yea! Science. Just ask Fauci.

...I feel like I'm in a Planet of the Apes movie Originally Posted by Tiny

Naah. You are walking into what you thought was an Anime Go-Go bar without wearing your glasses perhaps...


Because if you were wearing your glasses you would have seen the sign above the door that says: Trans-Aime Bar