So It Begins With Russia.......

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corporate contracts with businesses the administration had DEEP ties with .. this country gained a trillion dollar deficit trying to tame the middl east ... the people that ran the country gained gained fat stock portfolio's in the interim.

Kellog Brown Root just happened to be ass deep with 41

Halliburton and Shotgun go without saying. Originally Posted by CJ7
How about 36 to the current time.

As for Afghanistan .. start with Carter ...... specifically....and move forward.
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In any endeavor, good or bad, someone is going to find a way to profit. War is terrible for those who have to fight it but someone will make a profit. It is what motivates some people. You think that in World War II (yes, the good war) that Kaiser, Boeing, or General Motors did what they did for free or even cost? They made a profit. Now the question that they asked Howard Hughes after the war is how much profit is too much and did they value for the cost. People made a profit in Iraq and Afghanistan and that meant that many people made a living producing the equipment. I would like to think that everyone did the utmost to win each war and to bring our people home safe but I was there a while back and you know the stories. I would like to see that at the end of each major hostility that a non-partisan committee looks into all the companies involved and determine if they did what was necessary in a timely manner. If a company held something back in order to clear the shelves or if someone produced fautly equipment.... that isn't going to happen either.

Sometimes the U.S. goes to war for the right reasons and if the American people didn't think so at some time then it wouldn't happen. For some of you here, you condemn anything because of who the president is and try to create the idea that what he did was illegal. We know that is not true so why keep saying it. Why do you allow those who did vote for the war to now tell you that they didn't.

Okay, we're talking about Russia now and Putin. That is the point of a totalitarian system. It is only one or two people that we have to please or deal with. Putin is a narcisstic person just like Obama. They both love the spotlight but Putin came up in a system (the KBG) where you have to produce and it would seem that he has studied how to deal with people. Obama is a light weight. He doesn't understand anything outside his little world and that can be seen from the things he says. Half the stuff he goes on about is blatantly untrue. He either believes it or he is a grand manipulator but only with idiots. That "reset" is Obama's way of saying that he is unable to cope with this regime. He is like a little kid who can't play the game presented or the many who can't play the cards he was dealt. He wants to start over and that is not going to happen. Russia wanted us to betray our allies in Poland and the Czech Republic and we did. Russia did things to impede us in Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan and we just stood by (Bush is guilty of this Iraq) and tried to pretend it didn't happen. The term "real politik" applies here. The leader of the U.S. should sometimes put the needs of the U.S. ahead of other countries and to assume that other countries are not operating in our best interests.

Unless you want to get into foot notes and citations then you don't get much further into it.
FUCK

1- We have a socialist/communist president & administration.
2-Snowden woke you fuckers up

WE ARE FUCKED. carry on...
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corporate contracts with businesses the administration had DEEP ties with .. this country gained a trillion dollar deficit trying to tame the middl east ... the people that ran the country gained gained fat stock portfolio's in the interim.

Kellog Brown Root just happened to be ass deep with 41

Halliburton and Shotgun go without saying. Originally Posted by CJ7
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm

FYI: Unocal = Enron = Ken Lay.

"A senior delegation from the Taleban movement in Afghanistan is in the United States for talks with an international energy company that wants to construct a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan to Pakistan.


"A spokesman for the company, Unocal, said the Taleban were expected to spend several days at the company's headquarters in Sugarland, Texas.

"Unocal says it has agreements both with Turkmenistan to sell its gas and with Pakistan to buy it. "

One of the sad things about "pointing fingers" and being obsessed with ridiculing "41" or "43" ..

................. is overlooking 42!
I B Hankering's Avatar
This is what I meant by loosing to win. He gets out flanked by his own ego all the time. Like his comment someone pointed out, "Tell Vlad I'll be more flexible after the election." First off, I'm sure "Vlad" doesn't appreciate being referred to by his first name by a anyone to one of "Vlad" underlings. Kind of like the Queen of England doesn't want a hug or an IPod with Obama's speech's on it.

Old School has been relegated to the past - for now. And by Old School I mean media-kittens that don't let their mouth and their ego run away with them.

All this aside, I agree with Obama's decision to cancel the meeting. My bigger concern isn't hating Obama but rather the re-kindling of the Cold War. Our presidents will come and go, but Mr. KGB will be there till he dies. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward
Excellent observation, Ms Olivia.


No it's not. But when someone bullshits about how brilliant the guy is and references his rise to the Harvard Law Review as symbolic of his intelligence, then his academic performance does become an issue as a baseline for incompetence .. because he was promoted on the basis of "affirmative action" rather than scholastics.

.... he's a snake oil salesman and some on here are still intoxicated with his potion. Originally Posted by LexusLover
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corporate contracts with businesses the administration had DEEP ties with .. this country gained a trillion dollar deficit trying to tame the middl east ... the people that ran the country gained gained fat stock portfolio's in the interim.

Kellog Brown Root just happened to be ass deep with 41

Halliburton and Shotgun go without saying. Originally Posted by CJ7
You dare to mention ties with Brown & Root and don't mention LBJ and his Vietnam profiteering? You're indeed a mealymouthed lib-retard, CBJ7.


like the US was only on the side of the US ? Originally Posted by CJ7
Hence, my original post in this thread:

That quote shows Odumbo for the naïve, political hack he is. Odumbo is more than willing to perpetuate the racial divide in this country because of its "history"; yet, Odumbo hypocritically tells the Russia to ignore and deny its history!?! What a fucking hypocritical moron!
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CJ, he was. He just was. Everybody knows it. It's time affirmative action is exposed for that it is and what i's doing. It's dumbing down our population.

JD, no, Russia not joining us in the God Forsaken Iraq War was not a strain on our relations. Snowden in and of himself hasn't. The importance placed on him because of his base line "intell is important by a president that takes things way to personally. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward
Meir had apparently raised the issue of the oppression of Soviet Jewry and the possibility that the Americans would press the Soviet Union to allow the Jews to emigrate. Kissinger, the Times reported, can be heard saying: "The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern."

Nixon, according to the report, replied: "I know. We can't blow up the world because of it."
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You dare to mention ties with Brown & Root and don't mention LBJ and his Vietnam profiteering? You're indeed a mealymouthed lib-retard, CBJ7. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
He dares to even post anything. He's the Abyss of Non-Information.

"Jan. 1995 Commerce Secretary Brown visits India, accompanied by Ken Lay, and oversees signing of loan agreements by the Dabhol Power Company with the U.S. Export-Import Bank and OPIC." http://finance-mba.com/Dabhol_fact_sheet.pdf

"In addition, numerous Clinton Administration officials supported the project. For example, Commerce Secretary Brown wrote to India’s minister of Commerce before a January 1995 trip to India, asking the minister to facilitate “financial closing” of the Dabhol project “in time to be celebrated during my visit.”91 Once in India, and accompanied by Ken Lay, Secretary Brown oversaw the signature of loan agreements by Dabhol Power Company with U.S. Export-Import Bank and OPIC.92 In visits to India, Treasury Secretary Robert E. Rubin and Energy Secretary Hazel O’Leary expressed Washington’s concern that India stand by commitments to investors.93 For example, Secretary O’Leary warned India that it was hurting its reputation with foreign investors.94


After the project was cancelled, in late 1995 and 1996, Mack McLarty, a White House counselor, closely monitored the Dabhol project with the U.S. ambassador to India, keeping Ken Lay informed of the administration’s efforts.
95 In addition, according to press reports, President Clinton’s ambassador to India, Frank Wisner, “was among the plant’s most influential advocates.”96 Mr. Wisner joined the board of an Enron-controlled company after he left the Foreign Service in 1997.97"



CJ, the wonderful thing about your ignorance: It's a curable condition.



As for your stupidity ... that requires much more "work."



"As of 2000, Enron was developing a natural gas pipeline project to carry the regasified liquid natural gas to Dabhol and customers north of Dabhol.19 In addition, in January 1999, Enron had entered a joint venture to construct, own, and operate a large liquified natural gas carrier dedicated to bringing liquified natural gas from the Middle East to the Dabhol terminal."



BTW: That "natural gas pipeline" is the one projected across Afghanistan.


And continuing the effort to eradicate your ignorance, CJ:



http://www.bc.edu/dam/files/schools/...6_2/08_TXT.htm



"The Dabhol power project in India, which completed its financing in 1995, is a good example of how a project financing works in practice.26 Three sponsors, Enron Corporation, General Electric Capital Corporation and Bechtel Enterprises, invested funds into the project by creating a project company called Dabhol Power Company.27 This project corporation then independently borrowed funds for the project from multilateral lending agencies, local lenders and a syndicate of investment banks.28 The security these lenders sought for providing these funds were the assets and cash flow of the project entity, the Dabhol Power Company.29


"Sponsors obtain several commercial advantages by financing a project in this manner.30 First, if the project fails to fulfill its loan obligations to the lenders, the only recourse the lenders have is to the assets of the project corporation itself.31 They have no recourse to any of the assets on the parent corporation’s balance sheet.32 Second, since the project corporation is acting as the borrower of funds, the parent corporation’s credit rating is unaffected even though the corporation is investing in a long-term project that is borrowing millions of dollars in the frequently unstable environment of developing countries.33

"Furthermore, financing a project through project financing can be a vehicle for social and economic development for developing countries because it is a relatively economically efficient way to finance public works projects that affect the lives of millions of people in the country.34 It is also an important channel for developed and developing countries to become more economically integrated be[*PG360]cause some of the projects funded through project finance involve the exploration of commodities that are primarily exported to developed countries.35

"However, project finance also presents significant risks to sponsors and lenders.36 Risk factors in a project financing come in a variety of strains, including currency-related risks, risks of government default on payment guarantees, and risks of civil unrest in the country.37 Arguably, the most important risks may be those associated with the political and legal instability of the host nation.38

"The Dabhol power project provides an excellent illustration of the political risks involved in project finance.39 When the project completed its financing, the local state of Maharashtra was run by the Congress Party, which was very amenable to increasing the participation of foreign investors in infrastructure projects in India.40 However, in March of 1995, the right-wing nationalist opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) gained control of Maharashtra and its opposition to the Dabhol power project was a linchpin of its campaign platform.41"
WTF's Avatar
  • WTF
  • 08-09-2013, 06:51 AM



CJ, the wonderful thing about your ignorance: It's a curable condition.



.41"
Originally Posted by LexusLover

And the sad thing about yours....is that it is not.

We have been sold a bill of goods by the Defense Industry that we need to be the police force for the whole world or there will be another WWII. People like you buy into that horseshit and are bleeding this country to death. You fear mongers are the worst. Yet you make fun of the race baiters
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And the sad thing about yours....is that it is not. Originally Posted by WTF
How on Earth would YOU know who is ignorant and who is not?

WTF =

The only deeper Ignorance Abyss on here is you!
LexusLover's Avatar
We have been sold a bill of goods by the Defense Industry that we need to be the police force for the whole world or there will be another WWII.

Yet you make fun of the race baiters Originally Posted by WTF
My preference is to have the strongest military in the world with the fastest and most flexible response time to any place in the world ... to give anyone or country in the world pause to consider the consequences of fucking with the U.S. at home and/or abroad ....

in that way ....

.. race baiters, as yourself, can continue to enjoy your freedom of speech and the freedom to stir up shit where and when there "ain't none"!

Trust me on this one:

It is in the best interests of loud mouthed, no-nothings like you .....

......for there to be a strong protection force handy "to pull your shit out of the grease."
CJ7's Avatar
  • CJ7
  • 08-09-2013, 10:17 AM
excuse me I was under the impression we were talking abut wars in this CENTURY


maybe I was confused when JD mentioned this


What did we (the U.S.) gain from invading Iraq or Afghanistan? What did we gain from fighting in Vietnam? What have we gained from trying to tame the middle east? We do so much for other countries and people I don't see how you can ask that question.
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so please go hump each other and leave me out of your circle jerk.
LexusLover's Avatar
excuse me I was under the impression we were talking abut wars in this CENTURY .....


maybe I was confused


What did we (the U.S.) gain .......... Originally Posted by CJ7
If you want to remain out of the fray .. then go sit on the bench. Life is less confusing there.

So your nonconfused policy is .........

.........................for the U.S. to only fight wars in which there is something for the U.S. to gain?

And when you say "gain" are you talking:

money
land
natural resources
mutual assistance
transportation convenience
self-defense
honor
integrity
credibility
meeting obligations
helping out other friendly countries
Other:________________________ _______ (Please specify).

You might want to ask WTF:
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  • CJ7
  • 08-09-2013, 11:41 AM
If you want to remain out of the fray .. then go sit on the bench. Life is less confusing there.

So your nonconfused policy is .........

.........................for the U.S. to only fight wars in which there is something for the U.S. to gain?

And when you say "gain" are you talking:

money
land
natural resources
mutual assistance
transportation convenience
self-defense
honor
integrity
credibility
meeting obligations
helping out other friendly countries
Other:________________________ _______ (Please specify).

You might want to ask WTF:
Originally Posted by LexusLover

you got nothing, enjoy it.
LexusLover's Avatar
you got nothing, enjoy it. Originally Posted by CJ7
You ask a lot of questions .... but that's what little children do.

Seems like you'd be used to empty responses now to your empty questions.
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  • CJ7
  • 08-09-2013, 11:51 AM
You ask a lot of questions .... but that's what little children do.

Seems like you'd be used to empty responses now to your empty questions. Originally Posted by LexusLover
read the thread and comprehend my responses and you wont have a problem ... should be easy enough for a self proclaimed intellectual such as yourself ... no?