jill has covid

... Yep ... barracking the guesswork.

Like Fauci did with "wear masks" - when the high
infection numbers surely continued - Fauci quickly
changed his-own tune to "you can still get co-vid
even with the masks, but it slows the process"...
- something like that. ... Flip-Flop" Fauci.

President Biden was assuring the American people that
"the vax and booster will keep you from getting co-vid."

More guesswork.

However, I DO believe the vax prolly saved a lot of
lives - by making cases of co-vid LESS severe.

I just don't believe that people should have
been forced to get it.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

I remember at the beginning of the Pandemic Fauci was saying kids were less prone to Covid than adults, which is probably true. Then he retracted that and said kids needed to wear masks. Then Vaccine gets rolled out and because of the variants he suggested parents vaccinate their kids for Covid.

Are you and your family vaxxed?

Mine is. Kids and grandkids.

And we still got COVID. For me it was like 2 hours of low fever. Most of the rest of them were asymptomatic.

Did the vaccines make a difference? I dunno. The headache got was far smaller than the pain in the ass I get reading the antivaxxer manifesto every goldurn day.

Are you and your family vaxxed?

Mine is. Kids and grandkids.

And we still got COVID. For me it was like 2 hours of low fever. Most of the rest of them were asymptomatic.

Did the vaccines make a difference? I dunno. The headache got was far smaller than the pain in the ass I get reading the antivaxxer manifesto every goldurn day. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

No, I am not Vaxxed. I've been tested once last June and it was Negative. I could have had a low grade case of Covid, last year around this time I had about four or five days of nagging headaches. I rarely get headaches I don't even have Tylenol in the cupboard. I am not really an Anti Vaxxer but this Covid Vaccine is seriously flawed. I've known a number of people who received the Vaccine and still got Covid, one in particular was Hospitalized. I think it all runs the gamut.

The idea that the Vaccine doesn't prevent a person from contracting Covid, but prevents hospitalization and death is is hard to determine. There is no real definitive proof of that. Originally Posted by Levianon17

You have posted multiple errors in this thread. The above is another one. It is not difficult to determine a breakthrough death. A breakthrough death is when a fully vaccinated person gets infected with CoVid19 and dies instead of survives. Life and death is binary, it's one or the other. Over 150 million people are fully vaccinated. There have been very few breakthrough deaths to date. Most of those were people over 75 years old with a weak immunity system.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-vaccines.html

However, I DO believe the vax prolly saved a lot of
lives - by making cases of co-vid LESS severe.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Probably the best post you have ever made.

You have posted multiple errors in this thread. The above is another one. It is not difficult to determine a breakthrough death. A breakthrough death is when a fully vaccinated person gets infected with CoVid19 and dies instead of survives. Life and death is binary, it's one or the other. Over 150 million people are fully vaccinated. There have been very few breakthrough deaths to date. Most of those were people over 75 years old with a weak immunity system.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-vaccines.html Originally Posted by adav8s28

You don't know what you're talking about. The Vaccine doesn't prevent infection. It actually causes more problems than it's worth.

dr. jills has now posted negative twice for the sniffles. After isolating shes back with joeys in the delaware basement. whew! I was worried

You don't know what you're talking about. The Vaccine doesn't prevent infection. It actually causes more problems than it's worth. Originally Posted by Levianon17

I did not say or write that the M-RNA vaccines prevent infection. Are you having problems with reading now? They prevent severe disease and death which was confirmed in the link you posted on Dr Birx.

It actually causes more problems than it's worth. Originally Posted by Levianon17

Tell that to the 400,000 plus people who died in the USA in 2020 before the M-Rna vaccines were available. There was no vaccine in 2020 and the Regeneron antibodies were difficult to get for laymen.

You are out of touch with reality.

From the New York times link:

There is still a lot we do not know about so-called breakthrough infections — when fully inoculated people contract the virus. And there is some evidence that these cases are becoming more common as the more transmissible Delta variant surges. While vaccines have done a remarkable job at protecting a vast majority of people from serious illness, the data in the Times analysis generally spanned the period from the start of the vaccination campaign until mid-June or July, before the Delta variant became predominant in the United States.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-vaccines.html

I did not say or write that the M-RNA vaccines prevent infection. Are you having problems with reading now? They prevent severe disease and death which was confirmed in the link you posted on Dr Birx. Originally Posted by adav8s28

Yeah right it prevents severe illness or death. The only thing a person should experience after being vaccinated is a slight tenderness at the injection site or a general malaise that's considered an immune response. People are having severe adverse reactions after the jab including death.

Tell that to the 400,000 plus people who died in the USA in 2020 before the M-Rna vaccines were available. There was no vaccine in 2020 and the Regeneron antibodies were difficult to get for laymen.

You are out of touch with reality.

From the New York times link:

There is still a lot we do not know about so-called breakthrough infections — when fully inoculated people contract the virus. And there is some evidence that these cases are becoming more common as the more transmissible Delta variant surges. While vaccines have done a remarkable job at protecting a vast majority of people from serious illness, the data in the Times analysis generally spanned the period from the start of the vaccination campaign until mid-June or July, before the Delta variant became predominant in the United States.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-vaccines.html Originally Posted by adav8s28

Vaccine Deaths and injuries will be higher one day. It's already starting.

Vaccine Deaths and injuries will be higher one day. It's already starting. Originally Posted by Levianon17

No and no.

It’s already starting? What is?

No and no.

It’s already starting? What is? Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Adverse reactions from Vaccines. That's why there is a Vaers reporting system.

So, let’s ask ourselves.

What good are masks and all of that hand washing, social distancing, no concerts, no outdoor door family get together. Getting fired, etc.

Nobody could have possibly been more facitedious than all of these high ups telling us what to do.

And their so called vaccine dos nothing to keep you from getting Covid.

Granted, it might, and that is a mig might, keep you from getting hospitalized.

But heck, I had Covid over a year and a half ago, and I just got a little sick.

Since then, I have been vaxed and boosted.

But I think now I was played for the fool. Originally Posted by Jackie S

Last year there were almost no cases of the flu in the U.S. when compared to prior years. Why? Most medical experts attribute that to mask wearing and social distancing. I got a very mild case of Covid. A light cough. The ONLY statistic I look at is Covid deaths of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people and every statistic I look at shows unvaccinated people are far more likely to die from Covid than unvaccinated people. Even here in Texas:

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/...nation-status/

And no, there is no proof that the various Covid vaccines have caused deaths, other than I believe 3 deaths from one of the vaccines early on, a problem that was quickly corrected.

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories...what-they-seem

Adverse reactions from Vaccines. That's why there is a Vaers reporting system. Originally Posted by Levianon17

The VAERS reporting system is being used by people like you for purposes not intended.

"The reporting of a death to VAERS indicates nothing about what caused it, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC's) subsequent investigations have found no indication that deaths were caused by COVID-19 vaccines, save in a small subset with an extremely rare clotting disorder linked to one vaccine."

https://www.science.org/content/arti...s-scare-public