[National News] Utah Man Killed While FBI Serves Warrant

Things everyone knows not to do:

* yell fire in a crowded theater

* make bomb jokes on an airplane

* threaten to kill the democrat president of the united states of america

Do any one of these things and you're gonna have a bad time. Originally Posted by Purrito

Fixed that for you.

I think all 3 Rivers have been cried here in support of a mentally ill domestic terrorist. Essays and dissertations about how some hateful lunatic making specific threats of violence had every right to do so, and how he was a true patriot wrongfully killed by the corrupt FBI.

This is some of the most pathetic shit I've ever seen. "Back the blue" indeed.

I am in no way defending this person.

My point is how the authorities handle some situations. Some instances it’s better to lay back and take the person down other than at their home.
Please spare me danger to the public if you take someone down somewhere else, again I’m saying some instances.
I typically don’t carry in public but I have a lot of guns at home, taking me down somewhere else would eliminate that factor.

This was a guy that would be easy to take down while walking some place. Same goes for some that evade in vehicles.
If you take every threat this serious then why wasn’t Kathy Griffin taken down. I use her here as an example because someone else brought her up.

There have been instances cops chasing someone at high speed for a inspection or taillight violation the person they was chasing hits and kills people.
Most of these instances the cops have their plate number they could back off and get them later.

Are these the words of a docile old man or unhinged person with the potential for mayhem?

Funny how regular cops wear cameras but the fbi doenst

Cry me a river about hypocritical partisan viewpoints of a nutjob.
He previously had trouble with his threats.
He made more threats which were against the law.
The nutjob was not incapable of carrying out these threats. All he needs to do is squeeze a trigger.
He was treated like all scumbags with a lawful visit from law enforcement. The threats He made were serious enough to eliminate the threat asap by LE. I trust the fbi report and back their actions 100 percent. Time to move on. Only story here to begin with wad a rogue nutjob. Fbi agents did their job.
Nice knowing folks are so eager to fall for and make up unfounded conspiracy theories to support their partisan political bias.

Funny how regular cops wear cameras but the fbi doenst Originally Posted by chizzy

Complete falsehood. They're just not controlled by local influences.So their videos don't get public view that often.

And for good reason

Cry me a river about hypocritical partisan viewpoints of a nutjob.
He previously had trouble with his threats.
He made more threats which were against the law.
The nutjob was not incapable of carrying out these threats. All he needs to do is squeeze a trigger.
He was treated like all scumbags with a lawful visit from law enforcement. The threats He made were serious enough to eliminate the threat asap by LE. I trust the fbi report and back their actions 100 percent. Time to move on. Only story here to begin with wad a rogue nutjob. Fbi agents did their job.
Nice knowing folks are so eager to fall for and make up unfounded conspiracy theories to support their partisan political bias. Originally Posted by winn dixie

It's truly pathetic. And unAmerican. They all "back the blue" until it's one of their guys who break the law. Then the "blue" must be corrupt. Lol. Circular logic. Blatant lies. 100% hypocritical bullshit.

I am in no way defending this person.

My point is how the authorities handle some situations. Some instances it’s better to lay back and take the person down other than at their home.
Please spare me danger to the public if you take someone down somewhere else, again I’m saying some instances.
I typically don’t carry in public but I have a lot of guns at home, taking me down somewhere else would eliminate that factor.

This was a guy that would be easy to take down while walking some place. Same goes for some that evade in vehicles.
If you take every threat this serious then why wasn’t Kathy Griffin taken down. I use her here as an example because someone else brought her up.

There have been instances cops chasing someone at high speed for a inspection or taillight violation the person they was chasing hits and kills people.
Most of these instances the cops have their plate number they could back off and get them later. Originally Posted by Chase7

I see this argument a lot and in some situations for sure trying to approach someone outside their home makes sense. They had already talked to this guy and he publicly posted threats of 'violent eradication' if they returned. Utah is a constitutional carry state so there would be no reason to believe he is not armed so given his declarations towards the FBI I find no reason to believe approaching him in a public place or attempting to pull him over while driving would be a better option. How often did he leave the house? Do a dozen agents park down the street and wait for days?

As for Kathy Griffin she suffered the Dixie Chicks penalty. We are all free to speak but the consequences for those who depend on the public buying their content often find themselves punished in ways that don't involve a courtroom. In her own words:

“A lot of people don’t know this part,” Griffin explained. “Actually two federal agencies, the Secret Service and the assistant U.S. attorney’s office, were putting me under a two-month federal investigation and considering charging me with a crime — this is real — of conspiracy to assassinate the president of the United States.”

Had she done something similar to the now deceased Utah man her penalty may well have been the same. I am pretty sure she didn't threaten those agencies with violence.

On the high speed chases there are far too many cases of minor offenses turning into much more severe situations I agree there are many situations they should take the plate number and go find them later. The potential for collateral damage needs to be considered in these situations and circling back to whether they approach this guy away from home or not what happens if that turns into a car chase?

They get local PD to pull him over and when the FBI pulls up he pops shots at them and takes off. Let him drive off and hope he returns home at some point to face the warrants?

To me the most impactful part of this story is how the man reacted when warrants were served. Nobody wants to be part of that process and certainly someone who was so openly vocal about inviting the FBI back with a warrant would not be inclined to just open the door and say 'come on in' so we don't really question his animosity in that moment. I am not willing to jump through many hoops for him when anyone comes to the door with a weapon in response to law enforcement serving a warrant the probability of being shot increases exponentially. Why would we expect that to be different here?

1. Law enforcement does tend to make an example of people who threaten the President. Facts.

2. Delusional partisan nonsense. Seems to be a theme. Trump says it. Must be true. The guy was just speaking out against those who he felt did Trump and America wrong hmm? Sounds to me like you are idolizing this man as some kind of honorable patriot for what he did.

3. So in absence of someone showing you he was capable of operating the weapons he posted pictures of himself with he must be innocent and incapable of harming others despite repeated public declarations of his desire to murder people? Definitely sounds like you are glorifing his actions.

4. Was he still sleeping? There is evidence he pointed a gun it just has not been shown on video. Eye witness testimony is in fact evidence. Again I find it interesting hearing Conservatives lobby for police taking the soft approach with potentially dangerous individuals. Let a right wing Biden hater get on the wrong side of law enforcement suddenly we need to de-fund the FBI and tone it way down?

5. Really not relevant to be honest police can serve the warrant when and where they choose and since it involves searching the home makes perfect sense to start there.


We know he made threats on publicly viewable social media.
He invited the FBI back and given the text of this Facebook
post he made it was not to discuss new carpet patterns:

"“TO MY FRIENDS IN THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF IDIOTS: I KNOW YOU’RE READING THIS AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW CLOSE YOUR AGENTS CAME TO ‘BANG.’”

So they did in fact make a peaceful effort but he insisted they return with a warrant, which they did.

I can't dismiss the threats just because they are against people that I don't like. I won't entertain the notion that he was incapable of operating his weapons. I would not advocate that protocols used when dealing with potentially dangerous people simply because they are old and grumpy.

So the remaining question is whether he pointed a weapon when instructed to surrender and comply with the warrants. If he did case closed. Shooting justified. If he did not then we look at the available evidence and go from there.

Trying to glorify the deceased at this point and trying to validate his actions as common and harmless is an endorsement I would not make regardless of my feelings about Biden and the others targeted. Originally Posted by DNinja69

1. Not by killing them or we would have tens of thousands dead leftists including one who posts here for making threats against President Trump

2. Facts - this guy made comments no different than all those leftists made against President Trump. None of the leftists were killed

3. Again you are being utterly absurd. The man is nearly disabled. His neighbors have noted he was incapable of carrying out any such attack.

4. Most people are sleeping at that hour. When someone is breaking down your door while you are sleeping and it is dark out, what is your first thought? And again, there is ZERO evidence he pointed a gun. ZERO. And even if he did, if you are woken up by someone unknown busting your door down, wouldn't your first thought be to defend yourself

Anyone with common sense knows his killing was unjustified and the corrupt FBI's actions caused it

Funny how regular cops wear cameras but the fbi doenst Originally Posted by chizzy

It is indeed Chizzy. It is indeed

Cry me a river about hypocritical partisan viewpoints of a nutjob.
He previously had trouble with his threats.
He made more threats which were against the law.
The nutjob was not incapable of carrying out these threats. All he needs to do is squeeze a trigger.
He was treated like all scumbags with a lawful visit from law enforcement. The threats He made were serious enough to eliminate the threat asap by LE. I trust the fbi report and back their actions 100 percent. Time to move on. Only story here to begin with wad a rogue nutjob. Fbi agents did their job.
Nice knowing folks are so eager to fall for and make up unfounded conspiracy theories to support their partisan political bias. Originally Posted by winn dixie

Hmmmm - still can't answer these questions because you know they would invalidate your previous posts and thinking

Again, please post what his criminal history was showing he was violent and not harmless.

And please tell us how this 75 year old hunched over 300 pound male, who has trouble walking even with a cane, was going to be able to hide in a crowd, evade the secret service and FBI and assassinate Biden

I feel for his family having to endure living and engaging with such a hateful piece of shit for 75 years. Thank God that's over. Originally Posted by tommy156

You’ve got serious issues. Seek help. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

The telling thing is his thinking is par for the course for nearly all leftists. Notice how not one of the other leftists here criticized him for his inhumane remarks. Because they think the same way

They are happy and celebrating that a 75 year old nearly disabled vet was murdered for simply making cranky online comments about Senile Biden and other leftists

How despicable and pathetic

Funny how regular cops wear cameras but the fbi doenst Originally Posted by chizzy

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/...82322.pdf/view

Process for obtaining the footage is extremely different. But they're worn far more than you think they are.

Fixed that for you. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

No, you didn't.

Just one of several examples. And for Chase, an example of someone taken into custody at Subway.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/n...p/15739306007/