What qualifies someone as a Diamond?

I couldn't have said it better...

This is how I felt before I had reviews, when I had a no-review policy. I was concerned both that they would violate our mutual privacy and cause me to get caught up in worrying about whether he was going to write nice things or not.

But it hasn't been the case for me. When I'm on a date, I'm on a date. I'm right there, in the moment. Just as I'm not thinking about all the other concerns and demands of the "real world", I'm not worrying about if he's going to praise or diss me to the rest of the Internet. I don't think I could enjoy myself like that either!

The issue of whether reviews challenge discretion is harder for me to tackle. While I do prefer reviews that aren't, um, extra detailed, I know that a lot of websites won't accept reviews that don't have, uh, details, so I try to be flexible on that. Additionally, the gentlemen I see tend to write reviews with discretion in mind (if they write them at all, most don't), and focus more on my personality and demeanor rather than posting our trip itinerary. I have had to request what I felt were a few too personal details be omitted or edited out of reviews, but I've never felt scrutinized, violated, or dissected. Highly flattered, on the other hand...

Reviews have been good for me. They've opened a lot of doors and allowed me to meet people who would have otherwise hesitated to approach me. Originally Posted by Carrie Hillcrest

I think the premise was more along the lines of, "hey if you want to post a link to more info about yourself (hopefully with hot pix) great; but we'll learn more about you over time by what you write and have to say."
Originally Posted by atlcomedy

Well said.

HDH is hard to define, but there are some generalized principals that participants agree on, and some people strive towards. Others choose a whole different approach and there's no harm in that. I have always felt the real only defining value is aimed toward fewer overall meetings, and feeling comfortable spending longer periods of time with your date, because you're able to make out of bed play equally as stimulating.

I think an "HDH" style forum is less about separation from the "others", and more about a place to discuss and challenge shared philosophies. A common set of aspirations, and the experiences and challenges that come with them.

Hence, the value of wanting to get to know people over time.

Beautifully put, Lauren.

Well said.

HDH is hard to define, but there are some generalized principals that participants agree on, and some people strive towards. Others choose a whole different approach and there's no harm in that. I have always felt the real only defining value is aimed toward fewer overall meetings, and feeling comfortable spending longer periods of time with your date, because you're able to make out of bed play equally as stimulating.

I think an "HDH" style forum is less about separation from the "others", and more about a place to discuss and challenge shared philosophies. A common set of aspirations, and the experiences and challenges that come with them.

Hence, the value of wanting to get to know people over time. Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

Sorry for the delay in response, I was tied up with yet another invigorating outdate - 6 hours! Popular as always! Yes, the Girlfriend Experience was a film, not a documentary, my brain was overworked from thinking too hard. I do know the difference between a documentary and fiction as I am extremely educated (Post-Grad), so your jab was quite ineffective and unnecessary. I do love a good debate, I was quite good at debate all throughout college. I am a bit turned on by it all.

Your assertion that high-paying clients do not like reviews is a mistruth to an extent. Sure, I would concur that any gentleman would not want to read every specific detail of the encounter, but if I were an intelligent gentleman trying to make a decision on what to expect in a session, I would want to read a few reviews.

Reviews aren't always foolproof? I agree in rare cases, but in my situation, I highly disagree. The moderators of ASPD would have caught on to this if this occurred. Believe me, when a girl at my level possesses over 50 reviews that cite the same characteristics, Angelina is, "classy", "gorgeous", "amazing body", "toned", "model material", "hour-glass figure", "pretty face", "intelligent", "articulate", "educated". Sorry, Claudia, but you can't fake 50 reviews, especially when every single review cites the same thing. Maybe the girl in all 50 reviews is just really intelligent and stunning??? For crying out loud, I am the girl in the pictures, I adore my clients and any intelligence noted in my reviews confirms my education. I worked hard at it. My reviews confirm this.A girl faking 50 reviews is unheard of and ASPD would have banned me for this. I suspect there is more deception and delusion in testimonials than there are in reviews. If a girl doens't want reviews, in my honest opinion I feel that she is hiding something. What lady in this adult-oriented hobby wouldn't want reviews?

Yes, I am very proud of my reviews. I have built a solid reputation in this hobby. In Austin and San Antonio, everyone knows my name and it is no coincidence, I paid my dues and I don't feel entitled to an excessive donation. I have worked since I was 16 and have never taken a break and understand the meaning of a dollar. Maybe my success and 50 reviews in a 6 month period is related to my looks, youth, platinum services, kindness, 4-star accommodations as you will find that they are well-documented. I would be suspicious of girls with no review policies, sort of like they are hiding something, but that is just me. I am not insecure. I want my reviews to be truthful because I know that what I offer is real.

My TER reviews are extremely classy. Again, without sounding like an arrogant jerk, they specifically describe me as, "highly intelligent" (December 2009), and from a TER review in November 2009, my regular client cites "Opened door to a beautiful tall Latina with knock out looks...a dream body. Started with small talk and lots of DFK...after getting to know each other we started to get more comfortable...she is highly intelligent, warm, very sexy and gives undivided attention. She is a class act." With the provided examples, I feel that my reviews surpass any testimonial in that it is reminiscent of what testimonial typically emulate, but with an actual reference point.

I guess the thing that upsets me is that you take a college educated girl like myself, who could easily market herself the way that so many of you self-proclaimed "courtesans" and "high dollar hotties" do, but at the end of the day, a provider is a provider is a provider. If a woman must call herself a "courtesan" to make herself feel like she is better than another provider or sleep better at night, well, I believe she is severely misguided. I have clients who book me for conversation only, but I am so tired of women who cite that men pay them in the thousands for conversation without any expectation of BCD. A provider is a provider is a provider, regardless of whether you are standing at a corner, or dolled up at a 5-star suite. The truth hurts, I know.

So many providers on these "review boards" intended for review purposes (like ASPD) who market themselves in the $200 - $300/hour range feel threatened to post their contributions in the High Dollar Hottie/Diamonds and Tuxedos forum in that they might be ridiculed or feel that they don't "fit in", sort of like high school. I disagree. Every provider should be welcomed to participate in these boards in an effort to open up the discussion on many substantial topics. I am not afraid to stand up to any well-formed clique. I am a survivor of many things and find that this debate excites my mind a bit. I, too, get that same impression that I don't belong here with the small jabs and snobbery, any time I post in these boards/threads. I received a pm from an individual minutes ago telling me to steer clear from excessive posting on these boards since he felt that my positive energy, intellect, college education and devotion to self and community should be directed elsewhere. I couldn't agree more. A waste of beautiful energy. I will say that I certainly enjoyed this debate

You ladies are lovely in every way, and I have nothing to prove to you ladies as you are certainly not my competition. I am my own competition and can wake up every morning knowing that a provider is a provider is a provider, however you want to label it or coin it, we are all doing the same thing. I am so honored to have a rewarding non-hobby profession and fortunate to have the awesome academic opportunities/background outside of this.

xo

Warm Regards,

Angelina Originally Posted by Angelina Adams

As someone who offers hourly rates (and at level that seems not too far from your non-aspd rates) I think a lot of what you said is silly and unfounded. I have NEVER ever been made to feel unwelcome in the ASPD forum because of my rates or because I offer hourly dates in the 4 years I posted there (and I knew not one soul when I joined).... and I'm not anywhere near as good looking as you and I might not even be as well educated as you. I am happy with who I am though and the way I run my business and that's all that matters. Frankly, I couldn't give a toss what people think because I'm the one running my business and choosing my clients so the only person I have to justify my choices to is me. I want to feel good so my clients do..it's really that simple. Yes, I had a stint where I raised my rates and joined PEI but I was the same Camille before then who posted on ASPD with a free zoomshare website and semi-pro photos...and I'm the same after. My site might have changed, my photos my have changed and my political views may even have changed..but I haven't. In theory if the forums were what you are suggesting I would have been kicked out long ago if on no other basis than my lack of intellectual snobbery and the place I shop most at...but I haven't because people really don't care. Like I said, it's about being able to move around in a multitude of social settings...and that means in a downwardly mobile direction as well as an upwardly mobile one. Had I been born with all the trappings of an affluent upbringing, I would expect to be able to move to a less affluent social level if I was genuinely able to connect with someone...in just the same way that so many women feel they can move upwards. I, for one, cannot stand snobbery so I doubt I would have lasted 4 years in a forum that was entrenched in it. Now, have I had schtick for some of my political/social/educational and lord knows what other opinions? Oh hell yes...but never has anyone taunted me over rates..or reviews. Never. Ever.

Camille

It is interesting, with the possible exception of WTF, most of the arguments that I recall on HDH were girl on girl. Maybe it is a chemical reaction between estrogen and keyboards. For us guys, its a bit like watching nude mud wrestling -- fun, but don't get too close, unless you don't mind be pulled into the pit.

The whole point of this thread was PJ trying to stir up trouble...again.

Like honey to a fly...some traps just keep on working.

The whole point of this thread was PJ trying to stir up trouble...again.

Like honey to a fly...some traps just keep on working. Originally Posted by Rudyard K

Not that I'm above that sort of shit, but Nicollette is the guilty party in this case: [ame="http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=21935&postcount =1"]ECCIE - Your source for escort reviews - View Single Post - What qualifies someone as a Diamond?[/ame]

Angelina, you have my apologies if you thought I said your reviews were falsified. It's great that you're busy! If any of us are as busy as we'd like to be, and happy with it, what more can we ask for?

I was more pointing out flaws in the general system of reviews, pointing out that while they are a valuable tool for some providers and clients, there are chinks in the system and it is not necessarily foolproof.

Also, that there are indeed men who prefer women without reviews and that they can't be presumed to be stupid or ignorant because they choose to not go that route.

I do, however, have to vociferously disagree with your statement about how "a provider, is a provider, is a provider". We are all unique individuals and offer a unique experience from each other. Or at the very least I would hope we would. That, to me, is something that truly does signify a so-called "Diamond", regardless of how much she asks for her time.

Once upon a time, about one year ago, I earned $2,500.00/hour for my time. Does this make me special or constitute HDH? Maybe. Originally Posted by Angelina Adams

My take on reviews is this, having spent all of those long, rigorous hours in the college classroom performing "research" before making an educated guess/choice, I suppose going into this hobby in May of 2009, I knew nothing of it.
Angelina Originally Posted by Angelina Adams

Ok, not to start anything, as thats not my intention. But which one is it? Did you start a year ago at a $2500 rate? Or did you start in May at or near your current rate?

Camille, thank you for keeping it real. I respect and admire you for your honesty.

I never once detected snobbery from you I read almost everything people write, mostly as a lurker when I can find the time.

xo

Angelina

As someone who offers hourly rates (and at level that seems not too far from your non-aspd rates) I think a lot of what you said is silly and unfounded. I have NEVER ever been made to feel unwelcome in the ASPD forum because of my rates or because I offer hourly dates in the 4 years I posted there (and I knew not one soul when I joined).... and I'm not anywhere near as good looking as you and I might not even be as well educated as you. I am happy with who I am though and the way I run my business and that's all that matters. Frankly, I couldn't give a toss what people think because I'm the one running my business and choosing my clients so the only person I have to justify my choices to is me. I want to feel good so my clients do..it's really that simple. Yes, I had a stint where I raised my rates and joined PEI but I was the same Camille before then who posted on ASPD with a free zoomshare website and semi-pro photos...and I'm the same after. My site might have changed, my photos my have changed and my political views may even have changed..but I haven't. In theory if the forums were what you are suggesting I would have been kicked out long ago if on no other basis than my lack of intellectual snobbery and the place I shop most at...but I haven't because people really don't care. Like I said, it's about being able to move around in a multitude of social settings...and that means in a downwardly mobile direction as well as an upwardly mobile one. Had I been born with all the trappings of an affluent upbringing, I would expect to be able to move to a less affluent social level if I was genuinely able to connect with someone...in just the same way that so many women feel they can move upwards. I, for one, cannot stand snobbery so I doubt I would have lasted 4 years in a forum that was entrenched in it. Now, have I had schtick for some of my political/social/educational and lord knows what other opinions? Oh hell yes...but never has anyone taunted me over rates..or reviews. Never. Ever.

Camille Originally Posted by Camille

Claudia,

I think you made some very strong points and I admire your passion for articulating those points.

There is no need to apologize. You are a lovely lady.

Regards,

Angelina

Angelina, you have my apologies if you thought I said your reviews were falsified. It's great that you're busy! If any of us are as busy as we'd like to be, and happy with it, what more can we ask for?

I was more pointing out flaws in the general system of reviews, pointing out that while they are a valuable tool for some providers and clients, there are chinks in the system and it is not necessarily foolproof.

Also, that there are indeed men who prefer women without reviews and that they can't be presumed to be stupid or ignorant because they choose to not go that route.

I do, however, have to vociferously disagree with your statement about how "a provider, is a provider, is a provider". We are all unique individuals and offer a unique experience from each other. Or at the very least I would hope we would. That, to me, is something that truly does signify a so-called "Diamond", regardless of how much she asks for her time. Originally Posted by Claudia Mara

December,

Excellent point. About one year ago in Las Vegas, I was a mere tourist spending the holiday season with a close girlfriend of mine and was propositioned for companionship at the Bellagio via a high-roller. Keep in mind, my best friend and I were dressed sexy, with make-up, glittered and bounced from casino to casino. My friend had to leave one day early and I had my suite for another day. At the Bellagio, I visited a cigar lounge within the casino and met Gentleman X. After extensive drinks and conversation he propositioned me for an evening very similar to that of Robert Redford in Indecent Proposal, except it wasn't a million dollars. I was scared, but took a deep breath and went with it. Apparently, this is quite common in Vegas. I had no affiliation with the Texas hobby then, or understood the review system, etc. until about early late April and early May.

In February, March and April, I danced at the San Antonio Men's Club and the Palace, both really beautiful gentleman's clubs that cater to more of the high-rollers. Money was always good if yo hustled, but it took its toll on me because that environment can jade you easily. In the VIP lounge, many ladies would bring their gentlemen over for conversation or a lap dance. Well, on several occassions, men wanted favors. I would blush and told them that I couldn't do that in a sweet, sexy way. They would often reply, "I am a member of ASPD". I was like, "What police department? What PD?" I laugh at that today. So I get the URL of this new foreign site know as ASPD.net and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was like this dark underground. It amazes me still. So around May, I began posting.

I can share the rest with you, December, via e-mail if you'd like to know Glad to see you are here on Eccie.net!

Love,

Angelina

Ok, not to start anything, as thats not my intention. But which one is it? Did you start a year ago at a $2500 rate? Or did you start in May at or near your current rate? Originally Posted by DecemberLove

As someone who offers hourly rates (and at level that seems not too far from your non-aspd rates) I think a lot of what you said is silly and unfounded. I have NEVER ever been made to feel unwelcome in the ASPD forum because of my rates or because I offer hourly dates in the 4 years I posted there (and I knew not one soul when I joined).... and I'm not anywhere near as good looking as you and I might not even be as well educated as you. I am happy with who I am though and the way I run my business and that's all that matters. Frankly, I couldn't give a toss what people think because I'm the one running my business and choosing my clients so the only person I have to justify my choices to is me. I want to feel good so my clients do..it's really that simple. Yes, I had a stint where I raised my rates and joined PEI but I was the same Camille before then who posted on ASPD with a free zoomshare website and semi-pro photos...and I'm the same after. My site might have changed, my photos my have changed and my political views may even have changed..but I haven't. In theory if the forums were what you are suggesting I would have been kicked out long ago if on no other basis than my lack of intellectual snobbery and the place I shop most at...but I haven't because people really don't care. Like I said, it's about being able to move around in a multitude of social settings...and that means in a downwardly mobile direction as well as an upwardly mobile one. Had I been born with all the trappings of an affluent upbringing, I would expect to be able to move to a less affluent social level if I was genuinely able to connect with someone...in just the same way that so many women feel they can move upwards. I, for one, cannot stand snobbery so I doubt I would have lasted 4 years in a forum that was entrenched in it. Now, have I had schtick for some of my political/social/educational and lord knows what other opinions? Oh hell yes...but never has anyone taunted me over rates..or reviews. Never. Ever.

Camille Originally Posted by Camille

Camille,
You are such a beautiful intelligent soul, one of the most beautiful and intelligent posters here. And this post just reinforces that. Your grace and humility is an admirable quality. Shame more aren't like you.

I was being a naughty girl when I started this thread, making a little joke and not realizing the type of response it would get. I never meant to start a competition or cat fight amongst the girls. Although, some of the guys are getting a kick out of it. (Shame on you... you know who you are).

The real reason the HDH forum was started was not to exclude anyone, but to give the girls with higher rates a place to get away from all the hassle from the "no piece of ass is worth..." crowd. With a forum that was dedicated to the higher priced girls, the people that felt the rates were not warranted would just stay away and not complain. Sure some would stick their heads in from time to time to knock the girl for charging so much and the men for being fools by paying so much, but it was to a much lesser degree.

But, the forum welcomed EVERYONE and we talk about things of interest OUT SIDE of the hobby. Less post about blow jobs and more post about emotional responses to news stories and opinions on current events. We shared poetry, philosophy, and comradery. It was a haven for discussing the arts, the economy, the sciences, literature, etc...

And we let bits and pieces of our personalities show. Because the men we were interested in meeting were just as interested if not more on seeing bits of WHO we are as they were in seeing bits and pieces of our bodies or if we had good BCD skills. And a review couldn't give as much insight into our personalities, but yeah they could reveal something about our BCD skill which were of less importance.

I guess the thing that upsets me is that you take a college educated girl like myself, who could easily market herself the way that so many of you self-proclaimed "courtesans" and "high dollar hotties" do, but at the end of the day, a provider is a provider is a provider. If a woman must call herself a "courtesan" to make herself feel like she is better than another provider or sleep better at night, well, I believe she is severely misguided. I have clients who book me for conversation only, but I am so tired of women who cite that men pay them in the thousands for conversation without any expectation of BCD. A provider is a provider is a provider, regardless of whether you are standing at a corner, or dolled up at a 5-star suite. The truth hurts, I know.

...xo

Warm Regards,

Angelina Originally Posted by Angelina Adams

For someone that claims to be educated, you should know that a courtesan offers a different type encounter. A lady of the court was allowed where most women weren't. They used song, poetry, and dance more than S.E.X. to entertain their clients. Are you also to claim that a Geisha is the same as any provider? Did you know that most Geisha die virgins and that sex is strictly prohibited? Men pay Geisha thousands of dollars and they know that there will be NO BCD activities. I strive to be more of a courtesan than a provider. Not because it helps me sleep better at night or because it makes me feel superior, but because it is what I'm good at. I don't feel I am any good at sex, I think I suck at giving blow-jobs (no pun intended), and I am a lousy lay. Of course, I know a few men that would argue with my perception, but I feel more equipped and better at listening and understanding the depths of emotions of others. I feel it is my calling to offer a safe place for a man to show his weaknesses. I have a big heart and very strong shoulders to help carry the weight of the world that so many have to carry. That is why I call myself, Courtesan. Sure, I am a provider at times and take those types of appt. too; but there is a difference and I take offense to your comment.

Not that I'm above that sort of shit, but Nicollette is the guilty party in this case Originally Posted by pjorourke

I stand corrected Pal. This time you were just the flame fanner.

But the popcorn keeps getting in my gums and my hygienist is gonna be pissed.