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i don't get it...what the hell good does it do to ban people on a day it supposedly was going dark???

btw...longest 24 hours in history. Originally Posted by WickedHeather

Talk about empty gestures. Its like having the bouncer kick you out at 2:02.

Htowner,
I agree with what you said...however I must be a bit lost on what you are talking about..."eCRAPS"?

Hold on now. That 10grand they're getting is mine!! For my ocean front property in Arizona.

Since folks are so eager AND gullible to cough up that kind of dough & give to complete strangers. I'll stick my hand out there too and gleefully accept any monies you want to give me. Those ocean front properties in Arizona are going fast. I've got to have one sooner rather than later; Before the bs rolls in with the fog. Oh My, it all ready has!

Aspd was Amber's baby. She had a vision. Her vision died when the good lord
opened his doors to her. eraps is nothing more than a money scam. Regardless of what the gullible folks say.
IF and I mean IF it truly were an honest & legit hobby site in the making. Then any & all questions put forth would have been answered by Angel AND Deuce. They weren't. End of story.

Count me out. I have set up my tent here. It is comfy...

What I am trying to understand is that if there are probate issues with Amber's estate, then how do they propose to move the database over to this new site? The database is property of the estate and unless I am seriously missing something, I don't see how they intend to use it.

I can't believe they have somehow managed to get over five thousand dollars in donations thus far. How anyone can donate to them is beyond me. Originally Posted by johnnybax

Note that these are pledges, not donations. There is a difference. I'm reminded of that line from the movie Bad Santa: "Why don't you wish in one hand, and shit in the other. See which one fills up first. " My guess is that they'll be lucky to get half of what is pledged. Maybe a third.

As to the original question, you never say never, but I generally agree that the ill will Amber's family engendered in the final month will be enough to keep me away aside from a every now and then drop in. ASPD was amazingly resilient during it's lifetime to indifferent management, poor software, and long down periods. However, even a dog knows the difference between being kicked and being stumbled over. The high handed manner in the past month -- especially the lack of regret at essentially ripping off paying customers and not even making an honest effort at either continuing the site or refunding paid memberships -- should be enough to sour most folks.

What I am trying to understand is that if there are probate issues with Amber's estate, then how do they propose to move the database over to this new site? The database is property of the estate and unless I am seriously missing something, I don't see how they intend to use it. Originally Posted by DecemberLove

A very good question. I have heard unverified reports through the grape vine that Amber had a child. Assuming that to be true, unless she left a will to the contrary, her estate should pass to the child and the old site and it's property should be the property of that child. So giving the database away to the theoretical child's aunt is a wasting of the estate's assets and little better than theft from that child which might account for why Grand Ma and the aunt have avoided probate at this point. Of course this is pure speculation on my part. There may not be a child, there may be a will to the contrary, or all of this may have been submitted to the probate court for approval and approved without us knowing. Who knows. But Ms. Love astutely raises a very valid point. The data may not be Jade's to give away.

With DeuceBigalow and let's face it Whispers (really they are basically one in the same in ideas and actions) controlling the new site and making all the rules, the new site will be nothing like what ASPD use to be. For those who are waiting for the old ASPD to come back under a new name will be disappointed IMHO. I will point to one post by Whispers that demonstrates this. He was speaking to DeuceBigalow.

"Does that mean I can post my Newbie Primer on Avoiding Screening -parts 1 and 2 yet?
When I asked a couple of weeks ago you told me they were not quite ready for it yet....."

This statement shows they are working together and will not be Provider friendly, nor do they care about the safety of the Providers as they say they are.
The Old ASPD was Provider and Hobbiest friendly and was concerned about safety as much as possible.

I will go back and forth from ECCIE.net, MidnightLive, and as DeuceBigalow so unkindly puts it on one of his posts homeAlone2.

Hobbie

Add my dittos to the frustration with how they treated everyone over the last weeks. They might could use those customer service lessons in some future venture, but it is too late to do any good for this one.

And anyone recommend the best way for me to get banned on ASPD?
BEFORE ITS TOO LATE?
I feel left out!

RR

So giving the database away to the theoretical child's aunt is a wasting of the estate's assets and little better than theft from that child , , , The data may not be Jade's to give away. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

An interesting legal question but not exactly giving away assets perhaps. At least my impression was that ERAPS would get a copy of the database ans ASPD would still have the original database. So it becomes more a question of whether the family preserved and maximized the value of the site and database. Would a probate court have required the executor to keep the site running, or find a public policy reason ("may facilitate prostitution") to avoid doing so? My guess is that a court might allow them to continue to run the site but not require them to. Particularly if they didn't want to do so for whatever scruples. But it's an interesting question and all I have is an uneducated guess.

What about selling the site and/or database? Were Angel and Deuce willing to pay a significant amount for the database? Probably not. (But was that perhaps part of what the $10K start-up cost was intended for??). Was anyone else? Would there have been bidders for the database or site if Angel had not announced intent to keep a copy? How does the court determine damages in the absence of an outside bid? The software/hardware had minimal value. Would someone have paid significant amount for the right to use the name but without the database and members? Would someone have paid for a list of members and their contact info -- and would we have been outraged if they sold? So it seems as though either the database (if anyone wanted it by itself) or the existing site would be the only things of significant value. Not sure if anyone would have bought the database by itself -- it's worth less than selling the site itself, as if you import it into a new site, there is less assurance that you'll get a lot of those previous ASPD members to join a new site than how many would stay if ASPD simply continues under new ownership. Not sure if a court would have required the sale of the site itself, particularly if LE or municipal goverment testified it was a public nuisance. Maybe. And I'm not sure how "public" a sale in probate is and how much public knowledge of the buyer's name might depress interest.

And speaking of the database, does that make those who copied posts -- particularly reviews -- and reposted them here thieves? Could a court pursue either them or ASPD staff for diluting the value of the database by allowing copies of a portion of it? Would a prospective purchaser of the database have lowered the bid as a result of all of that going on? Should we criticize those who re-posted reviews here as stealing from a minor child?

If legal questions were straight-forward, no one would have to pay big bucks to lawyers. God forbid.

Htowner,
I agree with what you said...however I must be a bit lost on what you are talking about..."eCRAPS"? Originally Posted by atcav8or

The new site's name will be eraps,hence the joke eCRAPs

I suspect that ecraps will now stick.........too funny.

the tribe has spoken, "ecraps" it is!

A very good question. I have heard unverified reports through the grape vine that Amber had a child. Assuming that to be true, unless she left a will to the contrary, her estate should pass to the child and the old site and it's property should be the property of that child. So giving the database away to the theoretical child's aunt is a wasting of the estate's assets and little better than theft from that child which might account for why Grand Ma and the aunt have avoided probate at this point. Of course this is pure speculation on my part. There may not be a child, there may be a will to the contrary, or all of this may have been submitted to the probate court for approval and approved without us knowing. Who knows. But Ms. Love astutely raises a very valid point. The data may not be Jade's to give away. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

It may be an even more interesting question, since a database is not copyrightable and there would be a question of what kind of property it would be or if it is even property at all. What is copyrightable is the interface to the database, but then it becomes an issue of who owns the interface under the ``works for hire'' provisions of the copyright laws. I imagine that litigating this would be very expensive to the estate not to mention lengthy.

Count me out. I have set up my tent here. It is comfy... Originally Posted by rekcaSxT

Same here.