OUTCALL OR INCALL WHICH ONE?

Nice! I mean I even bring my own towels for the guys and my make-up...and I am a neat freak, so they didn't do anything really. I had never seen that before, but apparently some hotels have you sign something when you check in stating they can do that. Now, they don't tell you that's what you are signing so I just thought it was the normal check in sheet.

Very sweet of you to go out of your way to consider her safety. I am sure she treats you like a King for being so compassionate.

It's guys like you that make the hobby more than just a business. Originally Posted by London Rayne

London,
You know very well that I usually, well always, refrain from posting in the coed forums, but I can't resist....so here goes.

The point she is trying to make, Gentlemen, is that it is much, much safer for a lady to do incall and it is very UNSAFE to have a provider come to your house, which is supposed to be your safe haven. How safe can your residence be for you if several providers, their drivers and/or pimps, in some cases an agency, and, since most providers leave the name, address and phone number of the client they are visiting with a friend, babysitter, or some sort of what we like to call a "safety net", God only knows who else have your address??? Not very safe.

Recently, in a suburb of Orlando, 2 providers visited a client at his home. They robbed him and, if I remember right, injured him, but I could be wrong about that part. He called the cops. The girls took the police on high speed chase which ended when a cop crashed his car. The girls were not caught for several days. I believe you could find the news reports on this if you google it. Now the police, those 2 providers, and who knows how many others, know his name and where he lives, assuming he hasn't moved.
There are several other stories similar to this one that have taken place in and around Orlando. But I'm sure things like this aren't limited to happening in Orlando.

I was a Residential Outcall ONLY provider for a long time and had to start having problems before I finally realized incall is much safer, not only for clients, but for providers as well. Prank calls that end with the provider knocking on an 80 year old woman's door, ending up in a bad neighborhood of an unfamiliar city, being kidnapped, hurt, or killed. These things happen every day to working girls who do outcalls.

While the risk a hobbyist takes is high, the risk a provider takes is higher. You wouldn't send your daughter, wife, mother, sister, cousin, or whatever driving around in the middle of the night to a complete stranger's house, right? Especially not in a strange city, right? So why would you expect a provider to?
I know we sign up for some risk when we choose this profession, but most of us try to lessen that risk as much as possible, if we can. You, as a hobbyist sign up for some risk when you choose to partake in the hobby, as well, but if you do your research and refrain from seeing ladies who are not verified, then your risk is significantly lowered. Verified providers usually have several reviews, at least a few of which may have been written only a day or two before you see the provider, therefore pretty much ridding you of any doubts about her sanity, stability, and rather or not she is affiliated with LE.
In the end, there is only so much research a provider can do on a client and then it's usually limited to what other providers he's seen before tell her about him. How trustworthy are those providers? It can sometimes be weeks or months before some clients pursue seeing another provider.Has the client become hostile in the weeks or months since his most recent references saw him??
Yes, we can verify that a hobbyist is not a cop by asking for his work information and verifying that, but does that prove that he's sane and doesn't have some grudge against women??
Why, then, would you ask a provider to take the risk of possibly walking into a crazy man's house? At least in her own territory she may stand a chance at defending herself.
You know that YOU are safe for a provider to come visit, but that doesn't mean that every other hobbyist is, too.

As for customer service....well, a provider won't be providing much of that if she ends up dead in someone's basement. A hobbyist may have drive a little to go see a provider, but the likelihood of that verified provider causing the hobbyist bodily harm is pretty low compared to the likelihood of some crazy guy causing a provider bodily harm. Look up the statistics on rapes/murders of "Providers" and you'll see what I mean.

Just my 2 cents...signing off now, not interested in an argument.

Okay guys and gals, we can go in circles on this subject, but it ain't going anywhere.

Burkalini, see the ladies who will do outcall to your private location. If they leave happy and safe, cudos to you. But you can't convince or force anyone who chooses not to for whatever reason. Move on.

London, knowing you and knowing several good friends who have had the pleasure of your time, who wouldn't want to enter your room with you all nice and ready ? LOL

A lady who flys into another city already has extra expense of cab or rental just to get to her hotel. Why expand that with further taxi expense.

Safety goes both ways for whoever is hosting. Trust is hard to earn when seeing someone for the first time. Being a lover of the female gender, I put their safety and comfort above mine, just as real men have done since the beginning of time.

But, I would like to see the two of you on the Dating Game, LOL

Thank YOU! See TN and KY men don't act like infants...and they wonder why we keep coming back.

It's really quite simple. If you want an outcall get a girl who does them. Don't tell a provider who does not want the added hassle and risk that something is wrong with her, because other than this very thread I have NEVER had one guy complain about meeting me at my location lol.

If they passed on me because of it, that's their choice. I am sure I was passed on plenty of times for many other things...that's life. I am not looking to see 10 guys a week.

I am not trying convince anyone to do what is not comfortable for them...give others the same respect! I don't go around telling cbj girls that they should do bbbj or they are not serving the customer...their customers seem happy just to be with them. Just because we are escorts does not mean we have to do anything we don't want to do...last time I checked I was the one setting my rates, designing my site, and working the hours I want to work. If that fits in with what you are looking for, fine. If not...fine as well.

It does not always have to be a pissing match and a cat fight...geez!!

Thank YOU! See TN and KY men don't act like infants...and they wonder why we keep coming back.

It's really quite simple. If you want an outcall get a girl who does them. Don't tell a provider who does not want the added hassle and risk that something is wrong with her, because other than this very thread I have NEVER had one guy complain about meeting me at my location lol.

If they passed on me because of it, that's their choice. I am sure I was passed on plenty of times for many other things...that's life. I am not looking to see 10 guys a week.

I am not trying convince anyone to do what is not comfortable for them...give others the same respect! Just because we are escorts does not mean we have to do anything we don't want to do...last time I checked I was the one setting my rates, designing my site, and working the hours I want to work. If that fits in with what you are looking for, fine. If not...fine as well.

It does not always have to be a pissing match and a cat fight...geez!! Originally Posted by London Rayne

I was never upset that you didn't want to do an outcall. It was the manner in which you rejected it as if how could I ask a provider do such a terrible and costly thing. I usually end up paying more for outcall and am good tipper so the cost is not an issue for the ladies. I always show respect as to what their limits are and treat them like a lady so I don't feel uncomfortable asking them to come see me. Some of the ladies check with other providers that I have seen to at least make themselves feel a little comfortable. I did not care to be described as a trick as most of the providers I know would not like me to describe them in the low slang some use to descibe women in the business. That's a respect issue that you said was something you make your clients earn. I will leave it that it's obvious that we would not be a good match to see each other and wish you safety and the best in your incall venture.

Burks not an incall hater, Like anything, there is an exception whenever the situation warrants it... right burk? I did not read all of these pages, Maybe I should have before I opened my big keyboard...

As for the issues around outcall...Google Bianca Trump or likely under Wendy Ivanahow. She is a porn star that did a long stretch after showing up at a well known hobbyists home with two gangsters who tied up the client. See, she had been there on a call the day before. Guy wanted to impress/pursuade her so he took out like all the cash in his bank, just to have it in a suitcase to look like a baller. Well, she left there, calls up some thug types, and plans a robbery for the following day. Well, little did she know this guy was not a baller at all, and really took the money back to the bank that morning. They threw the house, never found it...Beat the guy...Then left. Guy frees himself, calls cops. She went to prison and so did the two guys. I know because we were friends back then.

I don't think that burk is saying he would not do an incall, I think he is just saying he likes outcall better?

I can say for sure that Burk's manners are a super plus plus.... Geez, four times. Yes. FOUR. FOUR wonderful memories during how ever many hours that night stretched into, that I did not even want it to end. That is the truth...Polite, respectful, handsome, physically fit, well endowed, and not an incall hater. That is how I describe Burk in person. I don't know what's been said in this thread though....Haven't had time to read the six pages...Nor do I have any plans to be in Omaha anytime soon so I am certainly not trying to insure that he stops by again when I get there....

INCALL

I wish I had a place for outcalls so a Provider's incall is best. Weather at
her hotel or another quite location is nice.

Burks not an incall hater, Like anything, there is an exception whenever the situation warrants it... right burk? I did not read all of these pages, Maybe I should have before I opened my big keyboard...

As for the issues around outcall...Google Bianca Trump or likely under Wendy Ivanahow. She is a porn star that did a long stretch after showing up at a well known hobbyists home with two gangsters who tied up the client. See, she had been there on a call the day before. Guy wanted to impress/pursuade her so he took out like all the cash in his bank, just to have it in a suitcase to look like a baller. Well, she left there, calls up some thug types, and plans a robbery for the following day. Well, little did she know this guy was not a baller at all, and really took the money back to the bank that morning. They threw the house, never found it...Beat the guy...Then left. Guy frees himself, calls cops. She went to prison and so did the two guys. I know because we were friends back then.

I don't think that burk is saying he would not do an incall, I think he is just saying he likes outcall better?

I can say for sure that Burk's manners are a super plus plus.... Geez, four times. Yes. FOUR. FOUR wonderful memories during how ever many hours that night stretched into, that I did not even want it to end. That is the truth...Polite, respectful, handsome, physically fit, well endowed, and not an incall hater. That is how I describe Burk in person. I don't know what's been said in this thread though....Haven't had time to read the six pages...Nor do I have any plans to be in Omaha anytime soon so I am certainly not trying to insure that he stops by again when I get there.... Originally Posted by nymphtalk

Thank you Kelly. It's been ahwile. We had a great time. I still remember those beautiful eyes. Sometimes these threads can be a little frustrating. lol

A great time indeed.... At my place. It's one of those things, you just do what feels right at the moment. I will say though that there are many outcall bad apples that have spoiled the bunch for me Burke. Once, After someone begged me to take a cab over an hour away, promising to pay it later. I said no a hundred times, but he made me feel so bad, that I went. Not only did he lie and say that his friends stole his phone to get me out there, He also told me that he was calling the police for extortion because I told him I was going to make a report to the law firm where he worked if he didn't pay for the cab. One hundred bucks was the deal I struck with the cabby, who luckily knew me as a regular. Cost me one hundred, but never again will I take a cab to anyones place on a promise to pay. Too many assholes in the world.

A great time indeed.... At my place. It's one of those things, you just do what feels right at the moment. I will say though that there are many outcall bad apples that have spoiled the bunch for me Burke. Once, After someone begged me to take a cab over an hour away, promising to pay it later. I said no a hundred times, but he made me feel so bad, that I went. Not only did he lie and say that his friends stole his phone to get me out there, He also told me that he was calling the police for extortion because I told him I was going to make a report to the law firm where he worked if he didn't pay for the cab. One hundred bucks was the deal I struck with the cabby, who luckily knew me as a regular. Cost me one hundred, but never again will I take a cab to anyones place on a promise to pay. Too many assholes in the world. Originally Posted by nymphtalk

Kelly for you I will come pick you up and take you back. No taxi rides.