UBL, Part II

I'm sure Obama will have the pic "leaked" around Oct 30 of 2012. Originally Posted by gnadfly

I suspect regardless of the party there would be the temptation to leak a picture.

I the grand scheme of things I don't believe there are as many positives as there are negatives to releasing the picture.

Bullshit.

Decide for yourself:

18 U.S.C. § 2340 Definitions


As used in this chapter—

(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;

(2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;

(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;

(C) the threat of imminent death; or

(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; Originally Posted by TexTushHog

I was waterboarded as part of my military training.....it is not torture under this definition or any other definition.......you want to believe it is torture so you decide to believe it.....your decision to believe waterboarding is torture is an emotional decision on your part, not an intellectual decision......you just hate Bush and Cheney......

I suspect regardless of the party there would be the temptation to leak a picture.

I the grand scheme of things I don't believe there are as many positives as there are negatives to releasing the picture. Originally Posted by SR Only

The picture will be leaked very soon.....infinitely more reasons to release it....those people find reasons to hate us, it doesn't matter what we do. They're still upset about the Crusades....you shouldn't be scared of them and let them dictate what we do........

FACEBOOK CONSPIRACY THEORY OF THE WEEK: “What would you say if someone credible told you that Osama Bin Laden is providing valuable information during his interrogation this week? He knows the world believes he is dead, and that there is no hope of rescue. Brilliant strategy by US to create a Schroedinger terrorist mastermind who is both dead and alive at the same time, as long as the box stays closed.”

It seems that UBL would have been a valuable source of information if taken alive.....hopefully, the story of dumping his body at sea within hours of his death isn't true and he's being water-boarded as we speak in some black-op-prison in Romania........ Originally Posted by Marshall

Yep PJ, I plowed that field already..........

Its had to separate the wheat from the chaff.

FACEBOOK CONSPIRACY THEORY OF THE WEEK: “What would you say if someone credible told you that Osama Bin Laden is providing valuable information during his interrogation this week? He knows the world believes he is dead, and that there is no hope of rescue. Brilliant strategy by US to create a Schroedinger terrorist mastermind who is both dead and alive at the same time, as long as the box stays closed.” Originally Posted by pjorourke

If it's on the Internet, then it's gotta be true.

Its [sic] had to separate the wheat from the chaff. Originally Posted by pjorourke

The Wheat thanks you for reviving the topic.......

Okay Chaff

Okay Chaff Originally Posted by pjorourke

Awwwwwwwww....don't be upset PJ, you can cover topics I already brought up.......it's OK....I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.....

we can blow an unarmed dudes head off without an aclu attorney saying ok and the witches of The View will squeal in orgasmic delight at the wonder of Obama and proclaim him unbeatable in all future elections...but pouring water up a assholes nose gets GWB proclaimed as hitler


and to top it off...eric holder and obama are investigating cia interrogators as we speak..err type..

Decide for yourself:

18 U.S.C. § 2340 Definitions


As used in this chapter—

(1) “torture”... Originally Posted by TexTushHog

Counselor, Counselor. Nothing you typed contradicts any of my points. You are simply engaging in "repeating the Dem playbook" tactic.

Obama will never disavow waterboarding or call it "torture" again because of its potential vitalness to national security. But he has thousands of talking heads posturing and handwringing for him.

Yap Yap Yippity Yap Yap Originally Posted by WTF

Yep, Moe Howard.

I'm so fucking sick of hearing shit like this on here that I doubt I'll ever be back anyway. Originally Posted by Mazomaniac

Geronimo..........

I'm sure Obama will have the pic "leaked" around Oct 30 of 2012. Originally Posted by gnadfly

I’ve considered this. It is truly cynical to think that these pictures could be used in such a way, but it’s not unimaginable. If these pictures do somehow “magically” appear for public view between now (now that Obama has drawn the line in the dirt) and the election, it will be the result of a cold, calculating, political gambit. Such a gambit will further underscore just how despicable and hypocritical a politician Obama really is.

And IB Hankering, your Atlantic post doesn't say that intelligence gained through torture led to bin Laden's capture. It essentially says that so far, all we have to go on is the word of various individuals that this is true, and points out the obvious fact that some of intelligence came from those who were, at some point, tortured. It doesn't make the critical connection that the intelligence that came from those who were tortured came when or because they were tortured. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

I understand the article the same way you do. My point is that the Atlantic isn’t as dismissive of the enhanced interrogation techniques as is the NYT.