I'm all up for negotiation

Let's get back on topic here, if you two have a side convo you want to engage in take it up via email, pm or another method besides hijacking this thread.. Originally Posted by Mojojo

My apologies,

I will take my leave

So I have a quick question for the providers. I'm in Houston and would appreciate if you could mail reply as well as post in thread. A provider contacts a member because she is having a slow time. normal rates are $200/hr for pse. Is it reasonable to negotiate a lower rate? I didn't call, and the girl obviously needs money. Appreciate your help. Originally Posted by bigguyinhouston

If the female obviously needs money, and she offers a good service, have you considered visiting with her, paying her rate, and just offering her a small tip?

One of the issues that I'm seeing, now, with guys who wish to be sugar daddies, etc.... is that they're wanting the most "bang for their buck." I GET that.

But where is the caring in that? I'm seeing such a shift in attitudes.

Guess that I've been somewhat lucky. When the guys are seeing that I'm slow (and for anyone reading this, Elisabeth raises her hand!!!) generally, they're wanting to visit with me to help me out ... and then I help them!

If they wish to offer me less, then I will say yes or no.

But sometimes, if someone that I know has offered me a BUNCH less because perhaps they know that I need some scratch and they're taking advantage of the situation?

I might say yes. Or no. But it would be hurtful. And females KNOW when you're low balling them and they have to say yes to eat. Feed the children. Or to have a home.

I'm ALL for a deal. I purchase living social deals, etc. But this is a VERY personal service even if you're wanting a blow and go.

If men could recognize this, completely, then I do think that a lot of the understanding would be clearer when you read these responses.

I'm behind on this topic. Gosh ... it went south?

Need to read the final 2 pages.

Best,
Elisabeth

Wow. Just read the last two pages of back and forths.

I think that I'll go and hide now.

Ladies. if ya ever doubt my motives on this board, or what I am doing when I post, thinking maybe some silly nonsense like "I'm a ho trying to attract attention." You may be right. Just not in the manner you may think. I understand exactly why some of you don't or won't say things exactly like you really think, or in a manner that will soften blows.

I'm all about being a soft woman, but there are times (almost every day) when ya just got to get on a level that is not the way you prefer to be or be seen. Me? I try for a while, with cutesy, then maybe funny sarcastic, but there comes a time when ya got get to the meat of the matter.

The gentleman (and I use that term more loosely than I ever have) created a handle to slip in and attack the credibility of the ladies here, concerning some serious issues. Not the first time this has happened, and not saying he chose me specifically, but I realize I can be blunt and just tell it like it really is or how we view it, when my hand is forced, but hey you decide for yourselves.

Please know, I am not all about me, and never have been. At least now, those still wearing "blinders", know how some really really feel about you. The Mighty Wizards on this board are not much better than a pimp, They beat us up (via the written word) if we do not comply with their wishes, say what they wish, and try to ensure we do as we are told or even are warning us with nasty innuendos. They steal from you, because yes indeed, their penis is their best friend. Nothing wrong with that, until ya become obsessed and will do anything, including lie, steal, and cheat those who would make their best buddy a happy camper.

Feeling appreciated now, for what you provide some of these guys? Probably not, and I'm really sorry for that. Why every man here is not profusely apologizing to the women, kinda boggles my mind, but I understand all about man cards....blah blah blah. I do not hate any man, or woman for that matter, and I really can't understand why they often show just how much some actually do hate and resent us. Times are changing, we've come a long way, but if the men had taken care of their biz, rather than worry about their heman, arf arf arf, man cards, none of us would be confused about our roles, and maybe everyone would appreciate each gender for what we each bring, in order to make each other's lives more pleasant and bearable.

Resent me all ya want, fellas. I can relate to most of these women and ALL the BS you put 'em thru. I know there are ladies here also, that are not quality material, but ya made your bed.....don't complain when you go to lie in it.

The the actual gentlemen that take up arms, go outta their way to show appreciation, and rarely get pissy with a woman, because they actually appreciate us for giving what it is they desire...truly many many thanks! Gosh, a lady would go nutty bananas if it weren't for gentlemen such as yourself. I'm not talking about the double handled guys who show different personas either, but the men who have no need or desire to hide, like the one on this thread did. These gentlemen that appreciate the women, are the men that are my preferred clients. Ladies, I hope ya learn to decipher those, because it sux rocks to know that one slipped in under the radar, at least for me.

Stop haggling with those who love providing and are great at fulfilling your desires, because every lady here is worth way more than they could ever possibly charge a man for the intimate services some of these guys are unable to or just don''t wanna make the effort to obtain otherwise. Some of you fellas need to learn to make gratitude your best friend, rather than your pecker. Hey, a lady can fantasize too ya know.....LOL

BTW.....I'm REAL and so is every woman here. You can get a blow up doll and never have to hear a word you don't wanna hear or causes you to face what a real slime ball you may truly be, that of course is if ya don't want real. Because fellas.....Whores are just as REAL as yo mama, sister, daughter or any other woman in your life. Get used to that.

I don't speak for anyone but myself. If ya feel like I just kicked ya with my words, let me have it, cause I'm numb to getting beat up by fellas, and even some of the ladies. It doesn't hurt me nearly as bad as it might hurt another.

To an extent.

Everyone has a price. Some situations are different than other's. However, I am a woman of equal opportunity.
If I say I can do 80 for 30 don't be greedy and ask for an hour because you have a nice cock or you're pretty.
I love what I do but don't belittle me with your money. There are plenty of other girls that won't have a problem taking your low ball.


Now, as for not contradicting myself.
I do not say no. As far as acts.

Menu pricing is something I will say no to.

Any women out there ever had this problem?


Originally Posted by sammybbw

I'm not reading all 6 pages of this as I'm sure most of it has nothing to do with the OP's topic.

This is my thinking and my perception so take it for what it's worth.
I have a regular provider I see every 2 or 3 weeks. We have a pretty open rate structure where I pay a little more here and a little less there depending on circumstances. It seems to work for us.
Every now and then she may be unavailable or I just might be in the mood for something different. It's hard for me to justify paying somebody else substantially more than I pay somebody that I trust and who knows exactly what I like. It's difficult to pay more for something that I have no idea if it's going to be the "sure thing" I have with my provider.
So if your rate is close to the rate I pay my regular then I wouldn't even bring up the rate. If your rate is substantially more than I pay my regular then I would probably never contact you to begin with.
If you contact me or answer my ISO then I would expect to pay around what I'm used to paying my regular. What I'm willing to pay has less to do with the provider and more to do with me and the way I put value on the hobby in general.

I'm not reading all 6 pages of this as I'm sure most of it has nothing to do with the OP's topic.

This is my thinking and my perception so take it for what it's worth.
I have a regular provider I see every 2 or 3 weeks. We have a pretty open rate structure where I pay a little more here and a little less there depending on circumstances. It seems to work for us.
Every now and then she may be unavailable or I just might be in the mood for something different. It's hard for me to justify paying somebody else substantially more than I pay somebody that I trust and who knows exactly what I like. It's difficult to pay more for something that I have no idea if it's going to be the "sure thing" I have with my provider.
So if your rate is close to the rate I pay my regular then I wouldn't even bring up the rate. If your rate is substantially more than I pay my regular then I would probably never contact you to begin with.
If you contact me or answer my ISO then I would expect to pay around what I'm used to paying my regular. What I'm willing to pay has less to do with the provider and more to do with me and the way I put value on the hobby in general. Originally Posted by L.A.

You got a pretty sweet deal. I agree, stay within your budget or what your atf is worth to you. Do without if ya just gotta. Your atf is not always unavailable, and I never saw a guy who's pecker wilted off because he didn't get it right now from the person he wanted and at the rate he could afford.

Good for you!

Ladies. if ya ever doubt my motives on this board, or what I am doing when I post, thinking maybe some silly nonsense like "I'm a ho trying to attract attention." You may be right. Just not in the manner you may think. I understand exactly why some of you don't or won't say things exactly like you really think, or in a manner that will soften blows.

I'm all about being a soft woman, but there are times (almost every day) when ya just got to get on a level that is not the way you prefer to be or be seen. Me? I try for a while, with cutesy, then maybe funny sarcastic, but there comes a time when ya got get to the meat of the matter.

The gentleman (and I use that term more loosely than I ever have) created a handle to slip in and attack the credibility of the ladies here, concerning some serious issues. Not the first time this has happened, and not saying he chose me specifically, but I realize I can be blunt and just tell it like it really is or how we view it, when my hand is forced, but hey you decide for yourselves.

Please know, I am not all about me, and never have been. At least now, those still wearing "blinders", know how some really really feel about you. The Mighty Wizards on this board are not much better than a pimp, They beat us up (via the written word) if we do not comply with their wishes, say what they wish, and try to ensure we do as we are told or even are warning us with nasty innuendos. They steal from you, because yes indeed, their penis is their best friend. Nothing wrong with that, until ya become obsessed and will do anything, including lie, steal, and cheat those who would make their best buddy a happy camper.

Feeling appreciated now, for what you provide some of these guys? Probably not, and I'm really sorry for that. Why every man here is not profusely apologizing to the women, kinda boggles my mind, but I understand all about man cards....blah blah blah. I do not hate any man, or woman for that matter, and I really can't understand why they often show just how much some actually do hate and resent us. Times are changing, we've come a long way, but if the men had taken care of their biz, rather than worry about their heman, arf arf arf, man cards, none of us would be confused about our roles, and maybe everyone would appreciate each gender for what we each bring, in order to make each other's lives more pleasant and bearable.

Resent me all ya want, fellas. I can relate to most of these women and ALL the BS you put 'em thru. I know there are ladies here also, that are not quality material, but ya made your bed.....don't complain when you go to lie in it.

The the actual gentlemen that take up arms, go outta their way to show appreciation, and rarely get pissy with a woman, because they actually appreciate us for giving what it is they desire...truly many many thanks! Gosh, a lady would go nutty bananas if it weren't for gentlemen such as yourself. I'm not talking about the double handled guys who show different personas either, but the men who have no need or desire to hide, like the one on this thread did. These gentlemen that appreciate the women, are the men that are my preferred clients. Ladies, I hope ya learn to decipher those, because it sux rocks to know that one slipped in under the radar, at least for me.

Stop haggling with those who love providing and are great at fulfilling your desires, because every lady here is worth way more than they could ever possibly charge a man for the intimate services some of these guys are unable to or just don''t wanna make the effort to obtain otherwise. Some of you fellas need to learn to make gratitude your best friend, rather than your pecker. Hey, a lady can fantasize too ya know.....LOL

BTW.....I'm REAL and so is every woman here. You can get a blow up doll and never have to hear a word you don't wanna hear or causes you to face what a real slime ball you may truly be, that of course is if ya don't want real. Because fellas.....Whores are just as REAL as yo mama, sister, daughter or any other woman in your life. Get used to that.

I don't speak for anyone but myself. If ya feel like I just kicked ya with my words, let me have it, cause I'm numb to getting beat up by fellas, and even some of the ladies. It doesn't hurt me nearly as bad as it might hurt another. Originally Posted by MaxiMilyen

While your postings are still WAY too long, this one I actually agree with. I've never been in the group of guys that just wants to drop off a nut, a connection is important to me. However there are girls here that make you feel they want no connection, just the money. I think your job is more taxing on some than others. I do respect what you're saying. That's a compliment, don't get used to it

While your postings are still WAY too long, this one I actually agree with. I've never been in the group of guys that just wants to drop off a nut, a connection is important to me. However there are girls here that make you feel they want no connection, just the money. I think your job is more taxing on some than others. I do respect what you're saying. That's a compliment, don't get used to it Originally Posted by TheEccie214

Sweetie, I appreciate you think my posts are way too long. You are not the first to judge me on that, along with every other aspect of my being, they think they can. Also, I would never dream of getting used to men saying nice things to women on this board, but thanks for the heads up......LOL

I've never been in the group of guys that just wants to drop off a nut, a connection is important to me. However there are girls here that make you feel they want no connection, just the money. Originally Posted by TheEccie214

So you're a guy that loves the IOP? This is a business transaction and nothing else! At the very end, We're all "tricks" paying for companionship, I'm the guy that drops off my nutt, my $ and respect the provider during our time together, I don't need a connection or even fake small talk.

MM has issues trying to force feed people with her way of thinking and hijacking every thread to get attention, She reminds of my grandma stuck in her ways, This lady lives to argue about anything and everything on eccie lol, I imagine her clients being the kind that like to get their balls kicked and humiliated but what do I know. There is something in the hobby for all of us.

I'm not reading all 6 pages of this as I'm sure most of it has nothing to do with the OP's topic.

This is my thinking and my perception so take it for what it's worth.
I have a regular provider I see every 2 or 3 weeks. We have a pretty open rate structure where I pay a little more here and a little less there depending on circumstances. It seems to work for us.
Every now and then she may be unavailable or I just might be in the mood for something different. It's hard for me to justify paying somebody else substantially more than I pay somebody that I trust and who knows exactly what I like. It's difficult to pay more for something that I have no idea if it's going to be the "sure thing" I have with my provider.
So if your rate is close to the rate I pay my regular then I wouldn't even bring up the rate. If your rate is substantially more than I pay my regular then I would probably never contact you to begin with.
If you contact me or answer my ISO then I would expect to pay around what I'm used to paying my regular. What I'm willing to pay has less to do with the provider and more to do with me and the way I put value on the hobby in general. Originally Posted by L.A.

Hell of a point, probably the most intelligent post on the thread.

I agree this thread has shot off topic because of agenda's. My point about negotiation or anything else related to the hobby is it's all about the people making the decision. Everyone here on this site has an agenda. For the providers it could be a number of things from financial to connections to enjoying sex etc... What it is to them is all that matters. For lurkers it could be just to read or post. For hobbyist it can be being with someone they can't obtain normally or a change of pace from a significant other or a new fetish they've always wanted to try.

The point is we are all here for our own reasons and those reasons may change day to day and from one hard on to another. I did come out guns blazing yesterday at a lady who's post I had read as a guest before I joined who rubbed me the wrong way from post one. I have always been a free spirit in that I don't tell people how they should feel or behave or what should mean what to them and I sure as hell don't want anyone to do that to me.

When I spend my money it's my money and I have the say in how I spend it, as does everyone who spends their money. The attitude of we should be so grateful someone will take our money obviously rubs a lot of gents, and even ladies the wrong way as most threads that this lady post in go sideways quick.

Someone once told me that if I have a problem with everyone then the problem is with me, the problem is that people with that problem will never understand this as they are so closed minded and will never see that they are wrong or even be able to comprehend what is said. They have no rationality inside them.

As far as thinking with our peckers, if men did not think with their peckers then this board would not exist. Our peckers are what keeps economies thriving, whether it's on this site, or fancy cars or whatever it causes us to spend our disposable income on.

Sammy, one question about your pricing

quick hit (full service) 80
bng (only top) 100

seems a little different from other ladies, usually the bng is the cheapest thing on the menu.

So you're a guy that loves the IOP? This is a business transaction and nothing else! At the very end, We're all "tricks" paying for companionship, I'm the guy that drops off my nutt, my $ and respect the provider during our time together, I don't need a connection or even fake small talk.

MM has issues trying to force feed people with her way of thinking and hijacking every thread to get attention, She reminds of my grandma stuck in her ways, This lady lives to argue about anything and everything on eccie lol, I imagine her clients being the kind that like to get their balls kicked and humiliated but what do I know. There is something in the hobby for all of us. Originally Posted by biglatinmale

Also a hell of a point and I agree 100%

On this thread...nothing any of you guys can say will tip the scales in your favor. True colors and all that jazz.....

There is only one person in this thread that is delusional and she is so delusional that she will never get it. True colors and bla bla bla


It's become boring arguing with the inane, attention hungry, bitter, serial thread hijacker.


As far as pricing and negotiating go it will never change. Ladies will continue to ask what they want and guys will either pay or negotiate. None of what I or anyone else thinks will ever change that.

There are guys who will pay anything and there are guys who will not. there are ladies who will ask for the moon (and get it from the guys who will pay anything) and ladies who have reasonable rates (and get it from the rest of us)

you cannot make us guys think the way you want us to or behave the way you want us too. It's our Money and our desires and we will handle them our way. Just because you call yourself precious does not make you precious to us and it never will no matter how many threads you hijack and how many delusional posts you make.

haggling with ladies shows truer colors than any hobbyists can imagine. knock it off and find the lady in your price range. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED to treat us any ole way ya please, we are REAL.

If that makes me delusional, then by golly, I'm psychotic. LOL