Beware of guys that short you, AFTER you leave

Count de Monet!!! De MO NAY!!!!


Jesus Fucking Christ!

COUNT THE MONEY!!!!

If you think that you're going to protect yourself from the police by using an envelope, you're out of your fucking mind. "Your honor, I had no idea there was money in the envelope." Yeah, that's really going to convince a judge or jury.

The lady is a hooker. The guy is a whoremonger. He's not going to think any less of you if you check the money. If you don't bother to check it, you're agreeing that it's correct.

Most of us HONEST guys will prefer it if you count it right in front of us. I don't want some gal claiming later that I shorted her when I didn't. I don't want some gal discovering that I DID accidentally short her later. I'll always wonder if the lady is lying. She'll always think that I did try to short her deliberately.

If the guy accidentally shorts you and you find it out later, he's always going to think you're scamming him, even if he pays.

Imagine you're driving away from the local grocery store. You get a phone call. "This is Joe at Kroger. After you gave me the cash, and I counted it, decided it was OK, and gave you a receipt, I checked it again, and it wasn't right. Can you come back in and give me the rest?" Yeah, right.

You might get a TINY bit of legal protection if you collect the money after the session, but that's not much protection.

and you will find that most of the women here, are equal opportunity providers that don’t discriminate on race, religion, etc etc blah blah blah!

I...really have to disagree. I don't mean HERE as in this site, but HERE as in this country? There are tons and tons and tons of women who will turn down a guy who sounds black. In Canada it was East Indians or Asians that got that treatment.

IT WORKS BOTH WAYS! I had a potential visitor on my Dallas tour email me asking if "I took African American clients". I said of course, I'd never discriminate based on something as meaningless and he changed the subject line to "Re: BLACKS!" and said nope sorry he would never want anyone who let blacks in or near them.

Shaft got a bad rap here. I'd see him with a $50 discount to make up for his horrible treatment and unjustified tarring and feathering here by a select few.

IT WORKS BOTH WAYS! I had a potential visitor on my Dallas tour email me asking if "I took African American clients". I said of course, I'd never discriminate based on something as meaningless and he changed the subject line to "Re: BLACKS!" and said nope sorry he would never want anyone who let blacks in or near them.
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thats the same guy who emailed me last week what a asshole, i wish i knew his handle here. i see he is careful to email directly instead of sending a pm here or going thru p411 he most likely is a closet racist!

wow shaft! I seen what you were writing in responsed to me earlier.... I guess you do have to have all the pieces of the puzzle before you can really make a decision. It has been my experience that the guys that try to short you could be up to bad intentions, but ya gotta count your donation before you leave! I mean I do.. lol. And there are a lot of providers that discriminate. Me, on the other hand, I dont! I spend time with every kind of every background. And I enjoy what I do! Feel free to email me or call, next time I will do my homework before I believe one piece of a story

PEACE!

i wonder why she has not posted a apology yet =/ Originally Posted by 214JULES

Last Activity: 06-08-2010 11:06 PM

She may not, but I doubt it, have even seen that her ill-advised thread has turned into a thermonuclear warhead.

I...really have to disagree. I don't mean HERE as in this site, but HERE as in this country? There are tons and tons and tons of women who will turn down a guy who sounds black. In Canada it was East Indians or Asians that got that treatment.

IT WORKS BOTH WAYS! I had a potential visitor on my Dallas tour email me asking if "I took African American clients". I said of course, I'd never discriminate based on something as meaningless and he changed the subject line to "Re: BLACKS!" and said nope sorry he would never want anyone who let blacks in or near them. Originally Posted by Missy Mariposa

Well, no way to really take a survey, eh?

Human nature has not changed much in some thousands of years. That's the price of free will; folks that choose to can have asinine outlooks. But like you said, it works both ways. Disparaging a country or its populace because of the behavior of some is just another kind of group-think. BTW, I do not think you were doing that; just making a point.

I see you reside in Tennessee. I have a friend that moved from there to Birmingham, Alabama in part to get away from the subterranean racism. Not sure what that says about life in Tennessee, but you're always welcome in the Republic of Texas :P

I am freakin sorry people but that post by Kelley of Dallas is UNACCEPTABLE!

I am glad for 1 thing about it, that it was posted in the national section because it reflects a very real and dangerous mentality that a large number of caucasian women (and men) in Dallas and other areas share. I am glad the rest of the world (eccie's version) get's to see it.

2010 huh? Her the sky is falling post reminded me so much of the way AA men were persucuted under false pretenses in the 1800's and early 1900's. I'm sure most of you read in school how black men were left swinging on a tree throughout the south for so much as looking at a white woman. God help the poor soul if a white woman cried rape from the hilltop. After the angry mob of white men were finished with him, he'd be begging for death to extinguish the absoulte pain from the torture. (hence the washboarding response)

Now I don't know this bi*tch from a hole in the ground. I do not know the accused with 127 okays on p411, from one either. But her "Black men short you money" cries are just as dangerous as the ones back in the 18 and 1900's. You see, most times those cries of rape were coming from a scorned lover that had actually engaged in consensual sex with the victim. Maybe she felt like she was pregnant, maybe she felt guilty for going against all the engrained teachings that "black men were dirty and evil" that she was subjected to, or maybe she liked the dick a lil too much. Know one will ever know.

Just like we will never know what was the motive behind Kelly of Dallas lunatic rant. Maybe that forbidden fruit felt to gotdamn good, after all she did write "he was the kind of client we wish they all were" "he was so nice". Inner turmoil and conflicit with all the yrs of b.s. she was taught came to the surface when she perceived
a violation in the arrangement.

Oh and don't think this is a defense for shaft. If anything his, "aww shucks" response was just as deplorable as her accusations. 127 okay's???127? Are you serious dude? By my simple math and conservative estimations on provider prices that would equal
over 25k. 25k into the hobby and YOU'RE explaining?? WTF? 25k in and some sloppy milf shi*ts on you for $50 bucks? Man does preffered customer mean anything to you? You shouldn't have acknowledged the peasant. I hope you wiped your ass with the 50 dollar bill before you mailed it off...sheessh.

Shaft your lack of disdain for the accusation only fuels the fire that is burning from within me now. You acted like you were apologizing for being black. I get the whole "I try to be as groomed as possibe for the session" and "I always treat the women with respect" and " I have never been involved with mess before" shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Save all that explaning and grovelling man. ALL you had, or will ever have to do is post your p411 okays. OKAY? I doubt very seriously Jerry Jones get's scolded for breaking a bottle of Creed in Nieman Marcus. SO MAN UP! Understand your value and leverage. Just look at all the lovely ladies that come to your defense, let them do the talking and explaining for you. No more of that yaasa boss stuff from you ,capish? It's not classy.

Well we are all here in this hobby and imaginary world trying to have a good time and have fun. It never ceases to amaze me how this "imaginary" world looks just like the same fu*cked up one I am trying to escape from an hour at a time, once in a while.

Damn pete.....that was a hell of a hilarious post.

Im glad Shaft responded though. It was needed. But I understand why you feel it might not have been necessary on his part given his rep. You have a way with words thats for sure.

Pete'smills, I am going to have to disagree with you on many points. I believe that Shaft's response was explanatory rather than apologetic. I think it was classy, and it seems I am not the only one.

I also don't think that the amount of money a hobbyist spends in the hobby entitles him to immunity. It also should not have any bearing on whether or not a lady has the right to speak out if he shorts her $1000, $50, or $20.

I think everyone here agrees that the original poster's actions are deplorable. However, calling her a "bitch" and a "sloppy milf" is not called for. I don't claim to know why she feels the way she does, and you shouldn't either. I think that the focus should be on showing her how unacceptable her views are perceived to be, not writing her off as a bitch. Shaft did just this...he explained exactly why she was wrong without attacking her. What better way is there to battle the ignorance?

Side note: http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=53771

This does not make her less responsible for her actions, but I bet this was very traumatic for her.

WOW! I dont see the point here. I suspect ripoffs are common in the provider / hobby business and perpetrated by either party regardless of ethnic background.

Fortunately in the U.S.A. we have the freedom to choose our associates. I like and enjoy that.

The point is that the brain is very good at tricking us into stereotyping people who have hurt us.

Pete'smills, I am going to have to disagree with you on many points. I believe that Shaft's response was explanatory rather than apologetic. I think it was classy, and it seems I am not the only one.

I also don't think that the amount of money a hobbyist spends in the hobby entitles him to immunity. It also should not have any bearing on whether or not a lady has the right to speak out if he shorts her $1000, $50, or $20.

I think everyone here agrees that the original poster's actions are deplorable. However, calling her a "bitch" and a "sloppy milf" is not called for. I don't claim to know why she feels the way she does, and you shouldn't either. I think that the focus should be on showing her how unacceptable her views are perceived to be, not writing her off as a bitch. Shaft did just this...he explained exactly why she was wrong without attacking her. What better way is there to battle the ignorance?

Side note: http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=53771

This does not make her less responsible for her actions, but I bet this was very traumatic for her. Originally Posted by China Doll

Thanks for that link. Shaft's response was explanatory IMO. If it was me I could forgive her after re-seeing the linked thread. But still needs to say she is sorry to Shaft.

I think this post by Kelly is just f'ing hilarious:

http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=103

I agree and think she should take her own advice to quit using the race card.....LOL

I also don't think that the amount of money a hobbyist spends in the hobby entitles him to immunity. Originally Posted by China Doll

It may not get you immunity, but it damn sure should get you some respect and credence in our community.

I also don't think that the amount of money a hobbyist spends in the hobby entitles him to immunity. Originally Posted by China Doll

It may not get you immunity, but it damn sure should get you some respect and credence in our community. Originally Posted by ANONONE

The ONLY way to get immunity is to buy. Either with $$$, testimony, or something else you have that is wanted by someone who can grant it.