I'm for an open border and immediate citizenship for anyone who wants it. Why? I say start taxing the fuck out of them, just like they're taxing the fuck out of me. Odds are they'll realize "the land of opportunity" ain't what is used to be and some of them will start staying home. IMHO, most of the illegal immigrant community doesn't want that. They don't want a pathway to citizenship. They want to continue to be insulated against the true cost of living here by their fucktard democrat elected officials. Originally Posted by enderwigginEasy fix, get rid of the IRS and introduce a flat tax, EVERYONE pays taxes at an equal rate. nobody can bitch then.
- Toreador_one
- 08-04-2010, 10:43 PM
- LexusLover
- 08-05-2010, 07:37 AM
I suppose we will never know, but the "challenging" question is .. were you "fair and balanced" about the multi-party corruption when Bush is in office?
... all I did is point out both parties are the same, Dem's in Baxter had a great party every 2 years, in my home town repubs / dems spilt the dead vote.
Both parties are ethically challenged .. Originally Posted by live4fun
My observation still stands:
the unethical/illegal actions of the guy down the street is no defense or mitigation.....
.... but that was not the point of my posting about the USE of Hispanic voters to win elections ..... the Dems used "dead votes" in South Texas, and apparently some "dead voters" cast ballots in Florida in 2000, also, my point is:
opening the borders and then allowing "amnesty" amounts to "stuffing" the ballot boxes with those sneaking across the border and coddling them to gain their loyalty to assure their vote and thereby increase their political power in one's base is a disgusting abuse of power by FAILING to exercise that power.
As one "pro-illegal immigration" poster on here has suggested .... continuing to allow the invasion across our Southern borders increases the Hispanic population in the United States so that the "White" base will be reduced in percentage to the whole.
As far as party affiliation goes, it seems the Republicans for the most part want to close the border and prevent the illegal crossings, and the Dems do not. Historically, at least until Bush came along, the Hispanic voters have predominantly voted Democratic. So there is the motivation. It is not about jobs, it is not about humanitarian, it is not about Federalism, it is not about "the rule of law," and it is for damn sure not about ..... equal law enforcement across 50 states. It is about increasing a voting block. Illegally.
- LexusLover
- 08-05-2010, 07:42 AM
- RebeccaRothko
- 08-05-2010, 08:51 AM
How the hell did this become a democrat vs. republican thing?
- enderwiggin
- 08-05-2010, 09:13 AM
- RebeccaRothko
- 08-05-2010, 09:16 AM
Oh yeah. Does anyone know deportation stats of the current administration vs. the previous? Dum de dum...
- LexusLover
- 08-05-2010, 03:31 PM
- Don T. Lukbak
- 08-05-2010, 03:43 PM
It's a bi-partisan abdication of responsibility. In this case the Republicans were every bit as sorry and worthless as the Democrats. But they're impotent for the moment, it's all on the dogass Democrats only because they're the ones in the jelly, for a while; this is why Arizona had to fill the void. If that fails, then maybe Phoenix will. Fill the void. And if that fails, I guess it's going to be up to you and me. But somehow we will git r dun.
Upon further reflection I see it may actually be possible the illegal immigration problem has ameliorated somewhat under the Obama regime.....but he had to almost destroy the economy in order to motivate a few illegal aliens to return to their shithole of origin. I don't blame them: they might as well be jobless at home as here.
Upon further reflection I see it may actually be possible the illegal immigration problem has ameliorated somewhat under the Obama regime.....but he had to almost destroy the economy in order to motivate a few illegal aliens to return to their shithole of origin. I don't blame them: they might as well be jobless at home as here.
- carkido45
- 08-05-2010, 07:47 PM
I don't know about that the guy who fixed my car today was hispanic and all the other guy's in the garage were hispanic also.
The Shell gas station owner hired them because they work harder and cheaper.
Think he wants to replace them with slow working and more expensive workers.... I think not.
Just remember love thy neighbor.
But I guess all the finger pointing and bitterness happens when you become a limpy.
Lol
Boy me and my latina utr had a nice lil time today she works cheaper and harder also.
Hah.
The Shell gas station owner hired them because they work harder and cheaper.
Think he wants to replace them with slow working and more expensive workers.... I think not.
Just remember love thy neighbor.
But I guess all the finger pointing and bitterness happens when you become a limpy.
Lol
Boy me and my latina utr had a nice lil time today she works cheaper and harder also.
Hah.
- LexusLover
- 08-06-2010, 07:07 AM
The Shell gas station owner hired them because they work harder and cheaper. Think he wants to replace them with slow working and more expensive workers.... I think not. Originally Posted by carkido45Questions:
1. Is the "owner" Hispanic?
2. And if he is not, how do you know what he thinks?
3. Did the "service technicians" get their training at one of the local tax supported training facilities or through a tax supported government loan?
4. Why on Earth would you allow "cheap" Hispanic labor to work on your car?
5. Are you too lazy to work on your car yourself?
And ... (note):
I hope your "cheap" and "hard working" utr doesn't have access to your posts about why you enjoy her company!
- boardman
- 08-06-2010, 11:34 AM
I don't know about that the guy who fixed my car today was hispanic and all the other guy's in the garage were hispanic also.Carkido,
The Shell gas station owner hired them because they work harder and cheaper.
Think he wants to replace them with slow working and more expensive workers.... I think not.
Just remember love thy neighbor.
But I guess all the finger pointing and bitterness happens when you become a limpy.
Lol
Boy me and my latina utr had a nice lil time today she works cheaper and harder also.
Hah. Originally Posted by carkido45
Welcome back. I was getting worried about you. A couple of weeks ago some guy was posting, using your handle. He was being polite, civil and actually made some relatively intelligent posts.
I think he even corrected someone on their paragraph structure in a review.
I noticed recently that the fucktard posts have come back strong.
Anyway, nice to have you back, buddy.
- RebeccaRothko
- 08-06-2010, 12:32 PM
Willful ignorance is a bad bad thing.
http://www.themonitor.com/articles/o...istration.html
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has deported more undocumented immigrants under the administration of President Barack Obama than under that of his predecessor, states a report analyzing newly released figures from the federal agency.
The study released this week by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University also found the agency has shifted its focus to removing criminal noncitizens.
Its findings come amid a tense immigration debate that has centered on border security and whether the Obama administration has done enough to secure the borders. One immigration advocate said the statistics show a “bizarre contradiction” in the current administration, which some say has portrayed itself as interested in tackling comprehensive immigration reform but has instead focused on border enforcement.
“What’s disappointing is that this administration is deporting more people than ever before — it’s more well funded than ever before, but many people have the perception that immigration enforcement is underfunded and that this administration is extremely pro-immigrant,” said Paromita Shah, associate director of the National Immigration Project of the National Lawyers Guild in Boston. “I think we know now that is not the case.”
DEPORTATIONS ARE UP
The numbers show that during the first nine months of this fiscal year, the federal agency has removed 279,035 noncitizens, 10 percent more than the 254,763 deported in the same period during fiscal year 2008 — the last year of President George W. Bush’s administration.
The totals include what the agency refers to as “returns” — removals that allow some undocumented immigrants to return to the country depending on their case. But the vast majority are deportations where the individual is barred from re-entry for a period of years, sometimes permanently.
The study also noted an apparent change in ICE’s enforcement strategy in the first three months of this fiscal year — targeting undocumented immigrants with a criminal past. Before then, between fiscal years 2005 and 2009, sharp increases in deportations by the agency could largely be attributed to the detention of noncitizens who had not committed crimes in the U.S., the analysis found.
Of the 279,035 undocumented immigrants deported, 136,714 — about half — have been convicted of crimes in the United States. The removal pace of criminal aliens in fiscal year 2010 is up 60 percent compared to the same time frame in 2008. It also is 37 percent higher than in the first year of the Obama administration, according to the report.
ICE spokeswoman Nina Pruneda said her agency directs its attention to the detention of undocumented immigrants with egregious criminal histories through the use of enforcement initiatives, such as its Secure Communities and Criminal Alien programs.
“ICE is focused on smart, effective immigration enforcement that prioritizes efforts first on those dangerous criminal aliens who present the greatest risk to the security of our communities,” Pruneda said in a statement. “Half of the people we have removed so far this year have been convicted criminal aliens. That’s up from 35 percent a year ago.”
WHO IS A CRIMINAL?
Immigration experts said the expansion of ICE’s enforcement programs has led to the increase in deportations. At front and center is the federal agency’s Secure Communities Program, in which the fingerprints of those who are arrested are cross-referenced with Department of Homeland Security and FBI databases. Immigration status is determined within hours, and individuals identified as being in the country illegally are deported upon disposition of their cases.
But immigration advocates and attorneys have criticized such initiatives, saying the programs lack guidance and can lead to racial profiling.
Furthermore, many of the people picked up by ICE through Secure Communities have not committed serious crimes, while others have not been convicted, said Denise Gilman, a clinical professor at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.
“The problem is whether the person being deported is a serious criminal or not,” she said. “It is a little bit deceptive to talk about the shift to criminal priorities, because a lot of that shift is taking place through the Secure Communities program, which is not a good filter for ensuring that the focus is on serious criminals or even criminals at all.”
Indeed, the study found that the classification of different kinds of crime into ICE’s “seriousness” categories was “surprising.” Traffic violations, for instance, fall into Level 2 — the middle of the scale. Level 1 is the most serious and includes homicide, sexual assault, kidnapping, national security violations and other crimes. Level 3 comprises misdemeanors, such as having an open container of alcohol.
The report also called for greater transparency in the federal agency’s statistics.
Noncriminal immigrant deportations, for example, have dropped for the first time in five years, the study found. During the first nine months of the current fiscal year, 142,321 noncriminal undocumented immigrants were deported — a decrease of about 30 percent from the 202,371 removed in the same time frame last year. But the study uses two sets of numbers for 2009 — one based on “alien-by-alien removal records” from ICE analyzed by TRAC and another, ICE’s own summary figures for 2009.
“Though the counts closely agree as to the totals, they disagree as to the criminal/noncriminal composition of those removed,” the study states. In ICE’s numbers, 2,000 individuals each month were shifted from the noncriminal column to the criminal column. TRAC was not given an explanation for the re-categorization, its report states.
Still, the numbers make it clear Obama wishes to follow an enforcement strategy, even as the Republican Party criticizes his administration on border security, Gilman said.
“We are in an enforcement period,” she said.
____
Jazmine Ulloa is a reporter for The Brownsville Herald.
http://www.themonitor.com/articles/o...istration.html
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has deported more undocumented immigrants under the administration of President Barack Obama than under that of his predecessor, states a report analyzing newly released figures from the federal agency.
The study released this week by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University also found the agency has shifted its focus to removing criminal noncitizens.
Its findings come amid a tense immigration debate that has centered on border security and whether the Obama administration has done enough to secure the borders. One immigration advocate said the statistics show a “bizarre contradiction” in the current administration, which some say has portrayed itself as interested in tackling comprehensive immigration reform but has instead focused on border enforcement.
“What’s disappointing is that this administration is deporting more people than ever before — it’s more well funded than ever before, but many people have the perception that immigration enforcement is underfunded and that this administration is extremely pro-immigrant,” said Paromita Shah, associate director of the National Immigration Project of the National Lawyers Guild in Boston. “I think we know now that is not the case.”
DEPORTATIONS ARE UP
The numbers show that during the first nine months of this fiscal year, the federal agency has removed 279,035 noncitizens, 10 percent more than the 254,763 deported in the same period during fiscal year 2008 — the last year of President George W. Bush’s administration.
The totals include what the agency refers to as “returns” — removals that allow some undocumented immigrants to return to the country depending on their case. But the vast majority are deportations where the individual is barred from re-entry for a period of years, sometimes permanently.
The study also noted an apparent change in ICE’s enforcement strategy in the first three months of this fiscal year — targeting undocumented immigrants with a criminal past. Before then, between fiscal years 2005 and 2009, sharp increases in deportations by the agency could largely be attributed to the detention of noncitizens who had not committed crimes in the U.S., the analysis found.
Of the 279,035 undocumented immigrants deported, 136,714 — about half — have been convicted of crimes in the United States. The removal pace of criminal aliens in fiscal year 2010 is up 60 percent compared to the same time frame in 2008. It also is 37 percent higher than in the first year of the Obama administration, according to the report.
ICE spokeswoman Nina Pruneda said her agency directs its attention to the detention of undocumented immigrants with egregious criminal histories through the use of enforcement initiatives, such as its Secure Communities and Criminal Alien programs.
“ICE is focused on smart, effective immigration enforcement that prioritizes efforts first on those dangerous criminal aliens who present the greatest risk to the security of our communities,” Pruneda said in a statement. “Half of the people we have removed so far this year have been convicted criminal aliens. That’s up from 35 percent a year ago.”
WHO IS A CRIMINAL?
Immigration experts said the expansion of ICE’s enforcement programs has led to the increase in deportations. At front and center is the federal agency’s Secure Communities Program, in which the fingerprints of those who are arrested are cross-referenced with Department of Homeland Security and FBI databases. Immigration status is determined within hours, and individuals identified as being in the country illegally are deported upon disposition of their cases.
But immigration advocates and attorneys have criticized such initiatives, saying the programs lack guidance and can lead to racial profiling.
Furthermore, many of the people picked up by ICE through Secure Communities have not committed serious crimes, while others have not been convicted, said Denise Gilman, a clinical professor at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.
“The problem is whether the person being deported is a serious criminal or not,” she said. “It is a little bit deceptive to talk about the shift to criminal priorities, because a lot of that shift is taking place through the Secure Communities program, which is not a good filter for ensuring that the focus is on serious criminals or even criminals at all.”
Indeed, the study found that the classification of different kinds of crime into ICE’s “seriousness” categories was “surprising.” Traffic violations, for instance, fall into Level 2 — the middle of the scale. Level 1 is the most serious and includes homicide, sexual assault, kidnapping, national security violations and other crimes. Level 3 comprises misdemeanors, such as having an open container of alcohol.
The report also called for greater transparency in the federal agency’s statistics.
Noncriminal immigrant deportations, for example, have dropped for the first time in five years, the study found. During the first nine months of the current fiscal year, 142,321 noncriminal undocumented immigrants were deported — a decrease of about 30 percent from the 202,371 removed in the same time frame last year. But the study uses two sets of numbers for 2009 — one based on “alien-by-alien removal records” from ICE analyzed by TRAC and another, ICE’s own summary figures for 2009.
“Though the counts closely agree as to the totals, they disagree as to the criminal/noncriminal composition of those removed,” the study states. In ICE’s numbers, 2,000 individuals each month were shifted from the noncriminal column to the criminal column. TRAC was not given an explanation for the re-categorization, its report states.
Still, the numbers make it clear Obama wishes to follow an enforcement strategy, even as the Republican Party criticizes his administration on border security, Gilman said.
“We are in an enforcement period,” she said.
____
Jazmine Ulloa is a reporter for The Brownsville Herald.
- enderwiggin
- 08-06-2010, 12:39 PM
Willful ignorance is a bad bad thing. Originally Posted by RebeccaRothkoThanks for a good post. I wasn't aware of those statistics but, for my part, I find them to be pretty irrelevant. BHO and Congress have very little control of the actual enforcement of federal statutes. The majority of the time, federal statutes are enforced by state and local officials. I believe those deportation statistics have more to do with local american law enforcement responding to increasing crime and violence on the border, not an actual ideology by the current Democratic party.
BHO and his cronies in Congress have made it pretty clear that their objective is comprehensive immigration reform and a willful neglect of current federal immigration law.
- carkido45
- 08-06-2010, 02:17 PM
Questions:1. Owner was Arabic American ( nice fellow )
1. Is the "owner" Hispanic?
2. And if he is not, how do you know what he thinks?
3. Did the "service technicians" get their training at one of the local tax supported training facilities or through a tax supported government loan?
4. Why on Earth would you allow "cheap" Hispanic labor to work on your car?
5. Are you too lazy to work on your car yourself?
And ... (note):
I hope your "cheap" and "hard working" utr doesn't have access to your posts about why you enjoy her company! Originally Posted by LexusLover
2. Just makes good business sense to hire someone who will do the work at lower pay scale.
3. I dunno but he did good job so I tipped him
4. The above answer he did a good job
5. I wasn't lazy about fixing it I just didn't how to fix it and Shell was across from a Denny's so I ate breakfast and let them fix my car rather than fuck it up myself.
- LexusLover
- 08-06-2010, 02:40 PM