Creation or Evolution? (Maybe both)

Actually, there is no such thing as 'nothing'. Energy and matter are the two ingredients needed to start up a universe. Both exist even where you can't see them, feel them, etc. Quarks are a great example of this 'nothing' you speak of. Dark matter, as well. Even the fabric of time/space is something. E=mc2 or, energy and matter are two sides of the same coin.

Now, I know you will say the energy comes from magical-baby-in-the-manger Jesus, but that's not the case. Pre-big bang, when it was an infinitesimally small and TIMELESS point, all that was there was energy and matter. No one was there to say for sure what made it 'bang' (including this "God" of yours), but that also means you can't know for sure that a supernatural magic man made it happen.

hahaha Originally Posted by TheOriginalDannie

So there was something that was there all along now?
Which begs the question, where did the something come
from? Your answer being, no one is sure. Which is also
to say that a creators involvement is very much a possibility.

It had to have some kind of origin. For something to just
appear is magic, and remember we don't believe in magic.

Congratulations! You have just converted from an atheist
into an agnostic.

Your words--can't know for sure-- is to agree to the possibility.

You and uderadancerwear dealer should hook up, he's an agnostic too.

Very intelligent argument.

Unlike the one above yours that claims such an event
would somehow negate the need for a creator. Originally Posted by bojulay

We do not need to resort to any disrespect toward each other over this. Originally Posted by exoticdanceweardealer

Tell that to the OP! Hurling insults about intelligence or lack thereof, simply based on a differing opinion is generally what these types do.

"If you don't believe EXACTLY like I do...!"

For the record, I am a variation of Agnostic Theist. Let me clarify, though. I do NOT believe in a deity you refer to as God . For me, life after this one is just a change in dimension and change of the form of your energy. All I can say is, we will never know. That makes sense, to me. You appear to believe otherwise, saying we DO know and it WAS God and there is no room for you to even entertain the thought that perhaps it wasn't grand design. That's where you and I differ. I am willing to entertain a variety of possibilities. You have your mind made up and everyone else is just plain wrong.. Which ultimately, makes YOU the one who might be a smidge ignorant.

Blindly following some book that has been written and re-written by men in order to control their "herds" and enforce ancient laws seems silly to me, but do whatever gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling. I just like to see who actually has the wit for debate. I took several years of it in college. Watching you get your tighty whiteys in a wad is kinda my shits n' giggles.

I'm sure if I changed my tune a little, he would love me too. That's why it's pointless to debate with those who already know everything about all the secrets to the universe. Fuck, he was probably having a cup of coffee with God when this all went down, for all I know.
Hats off to ya, Bojulay! You are far to brilliant for my teeny tiny wittle bwain.
Have fun with this thoroughly enjoyable "debate", folks!

Tell that to the OP! Hurling insults about intelligence or lack thereof, simply based on a differing opinion is generally what these types do.

"If you don't believe EXACTLY like I do...!"

For the record, I am an agnostic theist. Let me clarify, though. I do NOT believe in a deity you refer to as God . For me, life after this one is just a change in dimension and change of the form of your energy. All I can say is, we will never know. That makes sense, to me. Blindly following some book that has been written and re-written by men in order to control their "herds' seems silly to me but do what you think is best. I just like to see who actually has the wit for debate. I took several years of it in college. Watching you get your tighty whiteys in a wad is kinda my shits n' giggles.

I'm sure if I changed my tune a little, he would love me too. That's why it's pointless to debate with those who already know everything about all the secrets to the universe. Fuck, he was probably having a cup of coffee with God when this all went down, for all I know.
Hats off to ya, Bojulay! You are far to brilliant for my teeny tiny wittle bwain.
Have fun with this thoroughly enjoyable "debate", folks! Originally Posted by TheOriginalDannie

ha ha ha, psych! Read my post above yours, beat you to it.

Then go back and read your first post on this thread and take
a little of your own advice. Insulting did you say, for having
a different opinion.

I gave honest responses to someone that was being dishonest apparently.

Apology accepted.

It takes a big man to admit they are wrong. Originally Posted by bojulay

It was not apology, it was a summary of your last post. Stay stupid if you want, but do not breed, we have enough clueless dopes already in the world.

It was not apology, it was a summary of your last post. Stay stupid if you want, but do not breed, we have enough clueless dopes already in the world. Originally Posted by Look-at-Stupid

Look-at-Stupid everybody.

See him, there he goes.

Hey, you still owe me the money I loaned you for your vasectomy.

Look-at-Stupid everybody.

See him, there he goes.

Hey, you still owe me the money I loaned you for your vasectomy. Originally Posted by bojulay

I don't take money from retards for one, and I am least smart enough to know a clear line of transitional fossils exist, that evolution is not concerned with "origins" of life, and there has never been one bit of groundbreaking scientific research done by laughable creation scientists or IDs......what's your excuse for not knowing those science basics?

And my friends, here we have a perfect example to prove we are descended from primates via evolution.

We are still flinging shit at each other.

I vote for creation

i vote for Santa Claus (same basic principle).

I vote for creation Originally Posted by Perfectly Imperfect

i vote for Santa Claus (same basic principle). Originally Posted by sroach23

Santa Clause wont be coming this year though,
all of his reindeer jumped into the water for
a swim and turned into whales. ha ha ha ha

I figured it out!!!

The platypus came along when Noah built his big giant ark that carried two of each and every species of every animal on the planet on his big wooden boat designed by God himself!

Last aboard was the beaver. He was an extra horny beaver, so he fucked a duck. The beaver/duck babies were even hornier than their folks, so they started fucking lizards. The beaver/duck/lizard babies ended up being the duck-billed platypus, and God was pleased.

Serpents talked to people back in the day and we had big wooden boats that saved all the Earth's creatures when God spoke, and that's all that matters.

By the way......Has anyone heard from him in a while? Like they did in ancient times? Maybe he's just punishing us with his silence.

I mean, I hear Emmy-award winning actresses and pro football players thanking God for their abilities all the time. I guess God is ignoring the lack of clean drinking water in almost the entire continent of Africa?? How about all those third-world countries who are happy to eat a bowl of rice once a day?? They probably deserve it or something. Those actresses work hard for their moment with God, in front of millions of fans. Food and clean water come a distant second and third when it comes to American celebrities

Praise Jesus! he will help you win an Emmy or get you in the Hall of Fame, but fuck the needy! Yeah! Let em suffer! There is probably a good lesson for them in all that suffering, anyway! Buncha whiny hungry folks...ugh.

I figured it out!!!

The platypus came along when Noah built his big giant ark that carried two of each and every species of every animal on the planet on his big wooden boat designed by God himself!

Last aboard was the beaver. He was an extra horny beaver, so he fucked a duck. The beaver/duck babies were even hornier than their folks, so they started fucking lizards. The beaver/duck/lizard babies ended up being the duck-billed platypus, and God was pleased.

Serpents talked to people back in the day and we had big wooden boats that saved all the Earth's creatures when God spoke, and that's all that matters.

By the way......Has anyone heard from him in a while? Like they did in ancient times? Maybe he's just punishing us with his silence.

I mean, I hear Emmy-award winning actresses and pro football players thanking God for their abilities all the time. I guess God is ignoring the lack of clean drinking water in almost the entire continent of Africa?? How about all those third-world countries who are happy to eat a bowl of rice once a day?? They probably deserve it or something. Those actresses work hard for their moment with God, in front of millions of fans. Food and clean water come a distant second and third when it comes to American celebrities

Praise Jesus! he will help you win an Emmy or get you in the Hall of Fame, but fuck the needy! Yeah! Let em suffer! There is probably a good lesson for them in all that suffering, anyway! Buncha whiny hungry folks...ugh. Originally Posted by TheOriginalDannie

It's funny how people that claim to not believe in God always
seem to be the first ones that want to blame him for not
curing all of the worlds ills.

Why did evolution allow such terrible things to happen in the world
Oh wait there not terrible, just natural selection at work.

Isn't that suppose to be a good thing, according to evolution
it is. Silly girl, there's no bad in the world. ha ha ha ha

I have been a programmer for years and I am outside of my system although I can compile a program to execute and form into its own virtual universe. I am not bound by the physical laws within and to the minds of the elements/processes/classes contained within my program if they could independently think they might consider a need for my design to be non existent based on the requirements of the programmed universe itself.

In other words, God could exist outside of the scope of our program so to speak and be the programmer. We could find no real purpose for the intervention of a said developer, but it wouldn't rule out the developer.

However like a program, the big bang would act like the point of execution and the evolution of every living thing the execution of classes within the program which end up more or less blossoming into a full state or continue to change.

So while I don't think we can rule out a great wizard in the sky (the almighty programmer that sits at a desk outside the big computer we live within and our universe runs on), we cannot deny how we have discovered the program executes (big bang/cosmogenesis, abiogenesis, evolution, etc).

We are on just one layer of the great interdimensional OSI model.

/geek Originally Posted by exoticdanceweardealer

This is the best post. We only have access to the data passed to us when our universe process was spawned (big bang). We're still working to understand if the parameters are pass by value or pass by reference.

/return

Here's my usual controversial view.

If you believe in God and creationism because of what's written in the Bible and preached on Sundays, you're a fool. If you give your money to a church, you're even more of a fool and you are the reason that religion has existed since the beginning of time. As long as there are gullible fools to support the lifestyle of others, there will be religion and cults. If your religion asks you to give money or sex, you are being victimized.

However, if you believe in some kind of god or creationism because you're an intellectual and there are still too many unanswered questions regarding our origins for you to rule out the involvement of a higher being, I salute you for having an open mind. Science has a long way to go before it can answer our questions, but science is at least focused on seeking answers instead of promoting fiction.

Religion is all about close-minded dogma. Science is all about open-minded questioning. No true scientist would rule out the involvement of a higher level of being without empirical evidence otherwise. Higher-level beings are <> gods. That is a concept passed along from primitive man. We are gods to ants but we don't expect them to worship us on Sundays and throw coin into the collection bowl.

L4L

I would have no problem with religion if all believers shared your views.

Here's my usual controversial view.

If you believe in God and creationism because of what's written in the Bible and preached on Sundays, you're a fool. If you give your money to a church, you're even more of a fool and you are the reason that religion has existed since the beginning of time. As long as there are gullible fools to support the lifestyle of others, there will be religion and cults. If your religion asks you to give money or sex, you are being victimized.

However, if you believe in some kind of god or creationism because you're an intellectual and there are still too many unanswered questions regarding our origins for you to rule out the involvement of a higher being, I salute you for having an open mind. Science has a long way to go before it can answer our questions, but science is at least focused on seeking answers instead of promoting fiction.

Religion is all about close-minded dogma. Science is all about open-minded questioning. No true scientist would rule out the involvement of a higher level of being without empirical evidence otherwise. Higher-level beings are <> gods. That is a concept passed along from primitive man. We are gods to ants but we don't expect them to worship us on Sundays and throw coin into the collection bowl.

L4L Originally Posted by Lust4xxxLife