I think the internet overall has decreased and somewhat hurt human relationships. I mean my ex and I were together for 3 years and might have had an actual phone conversation once a week. It was mostly all text flirting and emails. I miss the days when you stayed up til 7 in the morning talking to a guy....those were the days. Originally Posted by London Rayne
There has been way too much cyber bullying in the news lately and it's only going to get worse. I don't know how you control that because of lot of the cases that have resulted in deaths have involved young people that are too old to cybernanny on the net. They say that technology helps us to communicate more easily but I'm not sure I agree, I think it just helps us to communicate faster..and faster is not always a good thing....that's why we have speed limits. As someone said in another thread, this is a society of instant gratification and sometimes the price of that is just too high. Just MO...I agree with all the other points you make, i hear you and understand where you coming from. I do think though that the cyberbullying stuff, as awful as it is, has to be differed further: I think that the internet is just another method of showing disrespect. I don`t think that less disrespect would be shown without the internet. I think from my POV the problem is deeper, its more complicated than that. I think that the internet is yet another source of showing disrespect to people , POVs, whatever you don`t like. The source of that disrespect comes not from the internet its a character issue. The outcome is bad because the underlying problem of ethics (for example religions who bash gay people and schools who support such teachings or parents who are anti-gay and don`t raise their kids to respect other sexual preferences). Even in universities you have the underlying problem of sponsors (Brigham Young is a mormon university for example) and which kind of researches are condoned or supported. So - the problem lies deeper and i`d stop short of blaming the internet itself as a method that triggers such behaviour. Its within people. Its within ethics. In a world where we have cyberspace the bullying is just different that is all in my POV
C x Originally Posted by Camille
I think the internet overall has decreased and somewhat hurt human relationships. . Originally Posted by London RayneThe same was said about television. We as adults do not seem to think we turned out bad because of it. These kids will be just fine and we adults will learn not to take everything so personal. There will be some other technology breakthrough where the next generation is bitching about the exact same things to their kids that our our parents bitched about and presently we are bitching about.
I miss the days when you stayed up til 7 in the morning talking to a guy....those were the days. Originally Posted by London RayneIf we stayed up 'till 7 in the morning, I promise talking would not have been that high up on the list
Frank Sinatra was going to be the ruin of civil society then Elvis next the the Beatles .............. Originally Posted by WTFAnd now Miley Cyrus aka Hannah Montana or Justin Bieber. My daughter dislikes both. She has a poster of Justin in her room, which has disparaging remarks on it and a mustache is painted on Bieber.
I agree with all the other points you make, i hear you and understand where you coming from. I do think though that the cyberbullying stuff, as awful as it is, has to be differed further: I think that the internet is just another method of showing disrespect. I don`t think that less disrespect would be shown without the internet. I think from my POV the problem is deeper, its more complicated than that. I think that the internet is yet another source of showing disrespect to people , POVs, whatever you don`t like. The source of that disrespect comes not from the internet its a character issue. The outcome is bad because the underlying problem of ethics (for example religions who bash gay people and schools who support such teachings or parents who are anti-gay and don`t raise their kids to respect other sexual preferences). Even in universities you have the underlying problem of sponsors (Brigham Young is a mormon university for example) and which kind of researches are condoned or supported. So - the problem lies deeper and i`d stop short of blaming the internet itself as a method that triggers such behaviour. Its within people. Its within ethics. In a world where we have cyberspace the bullying is just different that is all in my POV Originally Posted by ninasastriI absolutely agree with you (and also WTF about life evolving). The net (and other forms of technology) are just the tools used to cause the damage. That reminds me of the t-shirt slogan, "It's not guns that kill, it's people." So many people have unregulated access to the net that it sometimes feels like you have put a gun in their hands with no consequence. I guess technology is much further ahead than the law that governs it......
I absolutely agree with you (and also WTF about life evolving). The net (and other forms of technology) are just the tools used to cause the damage. That reminds me of the t-shirt slogan, "It's not guns that kill, it's people." So many people have unregulated access to the net that it sometimes feels like you have put a gun in their hands with no consequence. I guess technology is much further ahead than the law that governs it......I see it like this.....It does so much more good than bad.
C xx Originally Posted by Camille
I see it like this.....It does so much more good than bad.I think its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other WTF. Does that mean I am meeting you halfway lol?
What I see is that you now , with the net, have a huge audience that you are talking to instead of say five friends in the same local. So naturally you are more likely to find an opposing view point and thus someone that is easily offended by what you have said. This can lead to some back and forth that maybe unpleasant but it is better than just talking amongist five friends that have the same world view. It is how one learns.
I find it exciting that I can watch someone in Egypt express their viewpoint towards someone in the States. It has broadened our knowledge base to the point where it is inevatible that there will be more and more heated disagreements. I think this a good thing. We will never do away with disrespectful behaviour....mainly because we will never all agree to just what constitutes disrespectful behaviour.
That is a very good thing in my book. How boring would the world be if we all agreed.
Now I know you all agree with that right? Originally Posted by WTF
I see it like this.....It does so much more good than bad.sure we ALL agree. good point
What I see is that you now , with the net, have a huge audience that you are talking to instead of say five friends in the same local. So naturally you are more likely to find an opposing view point and thus someone that is easily offended by what you have said. This can lead to some back and forth that maybe unpleasant but it is better than just talking amongist five friends that have the same world view. It is how one learns.
It has broadened our knowledge base to the point where it is inevatible that there will be more and more heated disagreements. I think this a good thing. We will never do away with disrespectful behaviour....mainly because we will never all agree to just what constitutes disrespectful behaviour.
That is a very good thing in my book. How boring would the world be if we all agreed.
Now I know you all agree with that right? Originally Posted by WTF
And now Miley Cyrus aka Hannah Montana or Justin Bieber. My daughter dislikes both. She has a poster of Justin in her room, which has disparaging remarks on it and a mustache is painted on Bieber. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005And i thought Marilyn Manson was the ultimate dragdown of all civilty, or wait wasn`t it Eminem? (Btw i LOVE eminem ...;-.) maybe i learned all my vocabulary from him now i have to read something different to catch up with REAL english again :-)
I think that the internet is yet another source of showing disrespect to people ...I agree with this. I blame ignorance, lack of education, intolerance, prejudice, and lack of good parenting, environment, superstition...anything that essentially creates "bad character" or "morally bankrupt' individuals.
The source of that disrespect comes not from the internet its a character issue.
So - the problem lies deeper and i`d stop short of blaming the internet itself as a method that triggers such behaviour. Originally Posted by ninasastri
The same was said about television. We as adults do not seem to think we turned out bad because of it. These kids will be just fine and we adults will learn not to take everything so personal. There will be some other technology breakthrough where the next generation is bitching about the exact same things to their kids that our our parents bitched about and presently we are bitching about.The only problem with the internet is it reaches so many people in a faster amount of time. I really don't think it is as cliche' as saying "kids need to stop taking things personally", because some of the internet bullying in so many cases incites actual crime against individuals that are being targeted. Making statements that children some how need to be "mentally strong" against such attacks (bullying) is making assumptions about children in general. No two children are alike; where one child may have had the support, upbringing, education, and maturity level to deal with bullying, another may not have. Some children are more emotionally sensitive and not capable of verbalizing what is happening to them. In other words not all children having the same coping skills.
Frank Sinatra was going to be the ruin of civil society then Elvis next the the Beatles ..............
Originally Posted by WTF
I absolutely agree with you (and also WTF about life evolving). The net (and other forms of technology) are just the tools used to cause the damage. That reminds me of the t-shirt slogan, "It's not guns that kill, it's people." So many people have unregulated access to the net that it sometimes feels like you have put a gun in their hands with no consequence. I guess technology is much further ahead than the law that governs it...... Originally Posted by CamilleYes the internet is just another tool to hurt people.
Don't get me wrong, the net is brilliant for many things, but I'm not sold on it (or texting etc) being the new way to communicate in this ever evolving World... Originally Posted by CamilleGood points, the net will never take the place of cuddling!
The same was said about television. We as adults do not seem to think we turned out bad because of it. These kids will be just fine and we adults will learn not to take everything so personal. There will be some other technology breakthrough where the next generation is bitching about the exact same things to their kids that our our parents bitched about and presently we are bitching about.But would you not agree that marriages and the family unit overall were stronger back then? I would. When there was no tv, radio, etc. people were actually forced to face things head on and communicate face to face rather than hiding behind a keyboard. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet. No one sees your flaws except when your words and immaturity shine through. They can't see how you look unless you post pictures. We are all scholars and supermodels here lol.
Frank Sinatra was going to be the ruin of civil society then Elvis next the the Beatles ..............
If we stayed up 'till 7 in the morning, I promise talking would not have been that high up on the list Originally Posted by WTF