Obamacare Death Panels Arriving

Just so you can get the "connection" ... to HEALTH CARE INSURANCE today ... ACA ...

"so ... it will cost them $5,000 a year to get it through their employer or $700 if they don't .....

or it will cost them $12,000 a year to get it on their own or $700 if they don't."

It will cost the employer $700 a year per employee if employer doesn't provide insurance or

....... $5,000 a year for each employee if the employer provides insurance.

Since the employer is interested in a profit ... let's see now ... what would help that goal?

Like I said WTF .... how on Earth would you be able to identify "ignorance"?????

You can't even do math!............that's why I asked you who kept your golf card on the course! Originally Posted by LexusLover

The math is...the government will either have an extra $700 per employee or the employee will have insurance. Quite simple really. Sorry you are having trouble with the math.

As it is now, none have insurance and the government pays for their doctor visits in the form of ER visits.

WTF, if I was you I would never use the word "ignorant". You are the poster child for the word.

WTF, if I was you I would never use the word "ignorant". You are the poster child for the word. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

so in post #9 the death panel bullshit has been proven to be bullshit, yet you continue to argue about it ..

that's ignorant

so in post #9 the death panel bullshit has been proven to be bullshit, yet you continue to argue about it ..

that's ignorant Originally Posted by CJ7

Is there a door in the Department that says "Death Panel" ... most likely not.

Is there a door in the Department that says "Board to Determine Approved Services" .. perhaps .... or something similar............

that is because ... WTF so frequently recommended ... health care services should be rationed to those who have a longer life expectancy under ACA.. as opposed to those "old farts" who have contributed the MOST MONEY ... DEPOSITS AND TAX DOLLARS to the system. The identification of that "board" as a "death panel" might rub on your nerves, but it would not be nearly as stressful as the "old fart" who was denied coverage for treatment that could save his life after all these years of contributions so some half-cooked crackhead could get treated for a dirty needle infection ... or something similar.

So you call it what you want .... a body that makes life and death decisions .. is a "death panel" .... or ..

do you prefer "life panel"? ... Deciding who lives! ..................."Schindler' s List" ...

..... how about "WTF's List" ............... you poster child for equal protection!!! you!!!

Sarah Palin lives... In the minds, thoughts and posts of so many of you Mensa scholars!

I think the crying, whining, pissing and moaning has reached a record high!

WTF, if I was you I would never use the word "ignorant". You are the poster child for the word. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

If you were me , I'd shoot myself. Not sure where though as I would have neither a heart nor brain.
Death Panels were made up political rhetoric that the Tea Party Folks fell for. The left then had their turn with Paul Ryan and throwing grandma off the cliff. But then you are not me and those nuanced discussion escape your simple mind.

As it is now, none have insurance and the government pays for their doctor visits in the form of ER visits. Originally Posted by WTF

You are misled and misinformed "grasshopper"!

As it will be after ACA kicks in .... so says the CBO ... and those who are well-informed.

When did you stop reading? 2009?

You are misled and misinformed "grasshopper"!

As it will be after ACA kicks in .... so says the CBO ... and those who are well-informed.

When did you stop reading? 2009? Originally Posted by LexusLover

when did you stop reading, post # 8 ?

So you call it what you want .... a body that makes life and death decisions .. is a "death panel" .... or ..

do you prefer "life panel"? ... Deciding who lives! ..................."Schindler' s List" ...

..... how about "WTF's List" ............... you poster child for equal protection!!! you!!! Originally Posted by LexusLover

We have that now, they are insurance companies and state regulators! What a miskeading piece of crap Sarah Palin is/was and you keep falling in it!

If one of your relations pulls the plug on you then they are a death panel.

If one of your relations pulls the plug on you then they are a death panel. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

I've given to order to let me expire without any artificial assistance..


I am the death panel.

We have that now, they are insurance companies and state regulators! What a miskeading piece of crap Sarah Palin is/was and you keep falling in it! Originally Posted by WTF

Sorry. You really do need to go read the law, before you start discussing it. "The Secretary" sets the regulations regarding coverage standards for the carriers ... there is a "board" ... "panel" ... "committee" ... you call it whatever you want ... who decide if certain treatments will be COVERED ... and whether certain drugs will be COVERED ... Medicare and Medicaid have that same "process" .. if the administrator turns you down .. you appeal to the "BOARD"!!!!!

Under "normal" administrative review processes you can appeal to a court to referee ... fairly standard throughout the Federal and State governments ... BUT NOT THE ACA.

At this point there is no right of appeal (i.e. DUE PROCESS) for denial of service/supplies/meds.

If one of your relations pulls the plug on you then they are a death panel. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

The standard medical "power of attorney" has language that provides for some reasonable determination ... you may find some at Office Depot with a fill in the blanks ... but the standard is to give some medical basis for the guidance of the one giving the order....and the appointed person must comply with those standards. Without authorizing physicians to interact in the decision making, I doubt if you are going to find many medical personal who are going to "pull the plug" ... and in the absence of their approval .... "relations" had better keep their "grimies" off the power or feeding tubes.

The Secretary is not going to get a "pass" by saying ... it was "the family" that did it!!!!!

I've given to order to let me expire without any artificial assistance..


I am the death panel. Originally Posted by CJ7

A humanitarian gesture.

when did you stop reading, post # 8 ? Originally Posted by CJ7

Long after you did, that's for sure!